Well if he is playing up front as a striker with Rooney and running in behind the defenders then his pace and finishing would be devastating for us...To think he would not be an incredible player for us is just insanity really
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This. He would be insane for us.
In LVG's ultra-defensive system, creativity is stifled. See Herrera, ADM, Mata, et al.
Oh how I love myths.
Ultra-defensive system..
Ultra-defensive system..
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Wow we must be watching different match's every weekend.
We quite often play against ultra defensive teams though.
Apparently it was agreed to before Perez took over and he went with it but begrudgingly. I'm not sure if that's just Calederon's vesion of the accepted truth among Madrid fans.Pretty sure Ronaldo was a Perez signing.
Didn't you get the memo?
One team has 70% possession, 20 shots with 8 on target, 63.3% territory and over 200 passes in the attacking third while the other has 30% possession, 7 shots with none on target, 36.7% territory and less 50 passes in the attacking third....
Guess which one is accused of having "ultra defensive tactics"
What is Bales release clause?
Can I ask the people that want Bale some questions....
If he is not lighting up La Liga (in my eyes) and hasnt been as good at Madrid as he was in 12/13 for Tottenham. Why should we sign him? Is it because you think he would be better here than he is at Madrid, even though Madrid have a better team and play in a "easier" league?
If he is not lighting up La Liga (in my eyes) and hasnt been as good at Madrid as he was in 12/13 for Tottenham. Why should we sign him? Is it because you think he would be better here than he is at Madrid, even though Madrid have a better team and play in a "easier" league?
Obviously because he's Gareth Bale, with a name so familiar, how could he be anything other than a smashing success.
According to this
http://uk.complex.com/sports/2014/12/gareth-bale-clause-one-billion
1 billion euros... so around £730m at todays exchange rate... perhaps we can offer £700m and De Gea
Bale needs to be the main man. He suits the premier league very well, and I think he would be great again playing for us.
According to this
http://uk.complex.com/sports/2014/12/gareth-bale-clause-one-billion
1 billion euros... so around £730m at todays exchange rate... perhaps we can offer £700m and De Gea
Imo we would be title contenders if we had him, so he would be worth the money in the long run.
how many titles would we have to win to pay back the £730,000,000?
wow, i did see the figure right now
that was to much. Are you sure that is his clause?I get where you're going with this and it makes sense.
I guess you'd be buying on potential's basis. When you look at him in a Wales team for example he's the main man, the team focuses around him and you see him flourish.
Then you look at Madrid and he looks obviously hindered; either because of the fans or his role within that egofest of a club. There's nothing worse I would imagine than having to alter your game to feed the ego of someone like Ronaldo. The boos don't help either.
If we had him I think he would do well because he could play without restriction(within LVG's definition of that) and we'd build around him. I'm not a big Bale fanboy but he could be so much better at anywhere but Madrid.
No... but thats whats reported...wow, i did see the figure right now
I know sometimes they put a stupidly high clause in just so nobody can ever activate it... Ronaldo's is also 1 billion euros apparently
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-clause-admits-super-agent-Jorge-Mendes.html
so it seems plausable
Not saying they wouldn't sell for less but it seems that's the buyout clause figure
I am not sure we actually would go ahead with a giant bids in the style of Real Madrid. It has been rumored that we are willing, but I am not so sure. Anyways, if we were able to get Bale, I think he would be great for us and would probably make us title contenders.
probably - but so would messi, ronaldo, aguero, neymar, muller and I think reus as well - but I cant see any of them actually being sold this summer
It looks like its giant bids or nothing with these players, and even that may not be enough.
Well i don't know how much of that is true and i seriously doubt Perez begrudgingly signed one of the world's best players.
What i do know though is Perez was in charge when Ronaldo actually signed so he will claim it was his signing just as Bale was.
Didn't you get the memo?
One team has 70% possession, 20 shots with 8 on target, 63.3% territory and over 200 passes in the attacking third while the other has 30% possession, 7 shots with none on target, 36.7% territory and less 50 passes in the attacking third....
Guess which one is accused of having "ultra defensive tactics"
We've scored one goal in three premier league games despite all those wonderful statistics. That speaks for itself.
Doesn't mean we're defensive though.
Didn't you get the memo?
One team has 70% possession, 20 shots with 8 on target, 63.3% territory and over 200 passes in the attacking third while the other has 30% possession, 7 shots with none on target, 36.7% territory and less 50 passes in the attacking third....
Guess which one is accused of having "ultra defensive tactics"
I must not have mate but then i am really starting to wonder what half the people on here are actually seeing every weekend when we play.
I watched the game in the pub on saturday with a few mates, we all thought we played pretty well, created loads of chances and were unlucky not to score 2-3 goals. I then come on here a few hours later expecting a similar consensus only to find the world was caving in, doom and gloom everywhere with endless negative bollocks.
fecking bonkers.
I'm referring to the politics and backstage dynamics rather than the obvious facts everyone knows. Maybe @Vato and @carvajal can explain the ronaldo-bale-presidents story to us better.
Either way the impression one gets from our resident la liga experts as well as most reports is that bale is very important to perez so he's going to go to great lengths to make him work at that club, which in one way he's already with the whole ancelotti sacking nonsense.
We can play with 99% posession and 100 shots on target every single game but if we cant score a goal, we wont win. No team can win the league getting draws all season.
We were unlucky not to score, was his point. Not that we didn't look like scoring at all
Yeah that is true but we are not a team who employs an Ultra defensive system, rendering your earlier comment claiming that we were utter nonsense.
Any team will struggle against another team who park the bus and have no interest in playing football as Newcastle did on saturday, it's how so many minnows get 0-0 draws in the Fa Cup year after year.
We attacked Newcastle from start to finish on Saturday as we do against every team we play, so please explain how you interpret that as being ultra defensive as i am very interested to hear.
But he has not really kicked on from that at Madrid. I would love for him to be here but not at the figures being quoted especially seeing that he rejected us twice.
Pretty sure Ronaldo was a Perez signing.
Calderon started the transfer. He couldn't finish it, but to say Ronaldo was Perez signing is not correct.
So who signed him then if it obviously wasn't calderon?
Spot on.
A bit like when we couldn't beat Fulham at home and Moyes (rightly) got a load of stick for that.
The line up is defensive in having effectively two holding midfield players rather than a player who will get forward.
There's games for that to happen - against good sides when we need protection to the back 4, but not against Newcastle at home.
The Fulham game is such a great example! Moyes rightly got stick for that game as he didn't change the way we played. How on Saturday did LVG change things? He made substitutions that were basically like for like.
Now that is partly down to a lack of options on the bench but who's fault is that?
How is it a lack of options when we had Herrera on the bench to count on? We brought on Valencia when we needed a goal. Made zero sense then, makes zero sense now even after having so much time to think why he could have possibly made that change.
Sort of but i think Moyes got so much stick for the way we played with the endless crosses if i remember rightly.
Did Bastian and Morgan sit in front of the defence all game on saturday though?
Because i remember Schweinsteiger popping up everywhere running the show and trying to create something, he wasn't sitting in front of the defence he didn't need to as Newcastle offered nothing going forward.
Playing two deep midfielders isn't an inherently defensive system either, pretty much all the great Brazil sides employ two DM's are they defensive as well?
You play two deep midfielders to allow your full backs to be more attacking as ours have been this season and on saturday especially.
So sorry but i'm not having it that we are a defensive side let alone an ultra defensive one.
You said "Perez transfer". When someone says that for Madrid fans it usually means that the player is chosen by Florentino Perez for Florentino Perez and the player will get 10 times more chances to prove himself then anyone else and even at the expense of the team and the results. Benzema and Bale are Perez transfers. They were both sold to the fans as next Ballon d'Or winners. Ronaldo was on his way to Madrid long before Perez became president so I wouldn't call him one.
That's what I thought was that case. Cheers.
Fair enough thats your opinion but i would, seeing as he was the man who negotiated and completed the transfer.
Which is different to Saturday how? OK we didn't endlessly cross the ball but it was the same pass pass pass method all game.
So in 3 games we've conceded none, scored just 2 and created few chances. Meanwhile we've not conceded many chances either. And that's not defensive how?
Sorry so you argue my point by giving me one player on the bench? A player who I agree would make a difference though isn't really a different option mate. Herrera is a very very good footballer but I'm not sure he'd have brought anything actually different to the game.
We had someone who could have changed the pace and face of the game but LVG chose to ignore it. If he had actually used it and then it failed similarly then I would agree to your point. However I agree that we need an alternative to Rooney and that is not available right now.
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