Gareth Bale

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settembrini said:
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This could be a big problem for Madrid. They are building their team around the wrong player due to the demands of the president. Bale is already unpopular with their fans and if they have a bad season then the knives will be out for both of them.
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If lets say we buy both Bale and Pedro wouldn't we risk of doing the same thing? (Pedro and Bale on the flanks and Depay upfront or Pedro and Depay on the flanks and Bale upfront)
 
Enigma_87 said:
Vela in 12/13 and 13/14 had 14/12 and 16/13 goals/assist respectively in La Liga. (55) in total. (41) if we count the last two seasons, but last season he played a lot less.

Suarez scored 16 and assisted for 17 just last season.
James 13/13. Both better than his first season.

Neymar has 31 goals and 19 assists according to transfermarkd.

Griezmann 7 assists.

In other words he's behind Benzema, Neymar(less playing time same totals), Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez and James had only one season, but even with that in mind Suarez is only 17 behind.

Bale 22 assists according to the same source.


In any case he's not top 3 in any case, shape or form.

If we count just last season:

James, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Griezmann, Benzema, Nolito, Bacca, Aduriz, Garcia all have better totals than him, so he doesn't even make top 10.
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Right, your post is utter crap to start with.

The stats taken are from Whoscored.com, the post you replied to also had the stats taken from whoscored.com as that is only fair. Different statistical operators like Opta, Whoscored and Squawka use their own definitions to judge stats by, so hence I used Whoscored, I think it best to stick with WS when comparing to other players no?

The original tweet I posted was Bales record over the last two seasons at Madrid so again I took stats from the players @Bob Loblaw listed from whoscored.com and compared.

Instead what do you do? Take stats from a completely different website to further your own argument and suit the "Gareth Bale is shit" notion. So immediately your post invalid as far as I'm concerned. Further issues with it are that for Carlos Vela you take Three seasons as opposed to Bales Two that have been analysed, just so he can over take Bale and further yeah he's crap notion. :wenger:

The end part of your comment is the biggest load of nonsense! You then take one season (last season of course where his form dipped off but his returns were good) to compare to a list of players, again not what the original stat was about, was it?

Why didn't you do a like for like comparison?

I dunno what it is about Irish & British football fans belittling their own home grown players. Seems they demand failure from them.

Anyway you mentioned a list of players so I'll do a correct comparison for you from the same group over the same period of time (last two seasons).

Suarez (can only judge him on one season as he has only been there 1 season)
25 games - 16 goals and 14 assists (30)

Carlos Vela
58 Games - 25 goals & 15 assists (40)

Nolitto
56 Games - 27 goals & 15 assists (42)

Bacca
58 games - 34 goals & 11 assists (45)

Aduriz
56 Games - 34 goals & 11 assists (45)

So doing a Fair, like for like comparison of the 2013/14 & 2014/15 seasons against some of La liga's best attacking players, Bale's returns are actually Fourth as I originally stated. He betters All the players you listed.

Only Messi, Ronaldo & Benzema have more direct involvement in goals than him on the players that I've compared so far, feel free to suggest more.
 
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Spoony said:
Yeah, they're drawing us in to bid for him. It'd be best for both parties to be honest. We'd be getting a player who's attributes suit the Prem and they'll be getting a wedge of Euros to pay towards the redevelopment of the Bernabeu. Everyone's happy. Even Bale's mum.
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Indeed. It would seem to be best for all concerned to be honest. We want the "marquee" player and this summer he's the most likely candidate.
 
This Madrid is amazing, they play Bale at 10 when they already have James and Isco better suited for that postion and better technical skills.
 
LilRicky said:
Right, your post is utter crap to start with.

The stats taken are from Whoscored.com, the post you replied to also had the stats taken from whoscored.com as that is only fair. Different statistical operators like Opta, Whoscored and Squawka use their own definitions to judge stats by, so hence I used Whoscored, I think it best to stick with WS when comparing to other players no?

The original tweet I posted was Bales record over the last two seasons at Madrid so again I took stats from the players @Bob Loblaw listed from whoscored.com and compared.

Instead what do you do? Take stats from a completely different website to further your own argument and suit the "Gareth Bale is shit" notion. So immediately your post invalid as far as I'm concerned. Further issues with it are that for Carlos Vela you take Three seasons as opposed to Bales Two that have been analysed, just so he can over take Bale and further yeah he's crap notion. :wenger:

The end part of your comment is the biggest load of nonsense! You then take one season (last season of course where his form dipped off but his returns were good) to compare to a list of players, again not what the original stat was about, was it?

Why didn't you do a like for like comparison?

I dunno what it is about Irish & British football fans belittling their own home grown players. Seems they demand failure from them.

Anyway you mentioned a list of players so I'll do a correct comparison for you from the same group over the same period of time (last two seasons).

Suarez (can only judge him on one season as he has only been there 1 season)
25 games - 16 goals and 14 assists (30)

Carlos Vela
58 Games - 25 goals & 15 assists (40)

Nolitto
56 Games - 27 goals & 15 assists (42)

Bacca
58 games - 34 goals & 11 assists (45)

Aduriz
56 Games - 34 goals & 11 assists (45)

So doing a Fair, like for like comparison of the 2013/14 & 2014/15 seasons against some of La liga's best attacking players, Bale's returns are actually Fourth as I originally stated. He betters All the players you listed.

Only Messi, Ronaldo & Benzema have more direct involvement in goals than him on the players that I've compared so far, feel free to suggest more.
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I think you either had issue reading or failed to comprehend my post.

Bale's record last season wasn't even top 10 if we go according to stats. And you referred in your post to posters saying he had a "crap" season last season, not 2 years in a row. You brought up the first one to backup your argument when the truth is the first one was much better than the last one.

Vela was just an example that stats aren't everything, because he can rack up stats for 2 seasons in a row better than Bale, who was supposed to be 3rd in La Liga and this season he played a lot less than Bale, making it harder for a direct comparison.

The stats that I used are from transfermarkd, which I use as more accurate source, if you think whoscored is more accurate then fair enough.

Neymar has played a lot less in your comparison(>300 mins less) so listing games to if you compare it by minutes played, his stats are better than Bale's as well.

Suarez and James had much better than minutes to goals/assist ratio this season, same goes for all the players I listed. Who said that Bale had a crap first season? Most people are saying last one and if you have followed him, he was possibly the worst starter bar Casillas for Real this season, not to mention he didn't even had the stats to back him up last season as well.

Go on and take the stats from whichever site you like and compare them LAST season when people are saying he didn't have a good one.

Also the players I listed(Nolito, Bacca, Aduriz, Garcia) don't cost 100m combined, even half of that.

Bale contribution may have been top 3 in his first season, but last season, and why he gets so much flack is not even top ten. What is hard for you to understand?
 
Enigma_87 said:
I think you either had issue reading or failed to comprehend my post.

Bale's record last season wasn't even top 10 if we go according to stats. And you referred in your post to posters saying he had a "crap" season last season, not 2 years in a row. You brought up the first one to backup your argument when the truth is the first one was much better than the last one.

Vela was just an example that stats aren't everything, because he can rack up stats for 2 seasons in a row better than Bale, who was supposed to be 3rd in La Liga and this season he played a lot less than Bale, making it harder for a direct comparison.

The stats that I used are from transfermarkd, which I use as more accurate source, if you think whoscored is more accurate then fair enough.

Neymar has played a lot less in your comparison(>300 mins less) so listing games to if you compare it by minutes played, his stats are better than Bale's as well.

Suarez and James had much better than minutes to goals/assist ratio this season, same goes for all the players I listed. Who said that Bale had a crap first season? Most people are saying last one and if you have followed him, he was possibly the worst starter bar Casillas for Real this season, not to mention he didn't even had the stats to back him up last season as well.

Go on and take the stats from whichever site you like and compare them LAST season when people are saying he didn't have a good one.

Also the players I listed(Nolito, Bacca, Aduriz, Garcia) don't cost 100m combined, even half of that.

Bale contribution may have been top 3 in his first season, but last season, and why he gets so much flack is not even top ten. What is hard for you to understand?
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I posted a tweet with stats from his two seasons there accumulated. Other players were named and I done a similar like for like comparison, that makes sense.

What you done was pick stats from out of thin air to suit your objective. Not like for like. Picking stats for 3 season or one season or whatever you liked, which is just nonsense. Sure why don't we just compare Rooney's entire United stats vs Bales 2 seasons at Madrid, Seems fair!

I'm aware stats only tell some of the story and we shouldn't be using them as a definitive guide to judge players, it'd be ridiculous to do so. I never said he was great last season, in fact quite the opposite that his form had dropped off but I still believe he wasn't anywhere near as bad as some of you make him out to be.

But again, that wasn't what was being compared, once more it was his involvement in goals during his 2 seasons at Madrid. Not one season, Not just his first or just his second, but both seasons there combined.

When we take both seasons, combined his involvement in goals is only bettered by Ronaldo, Messi and Benzema.

If you want to look into per 90mins or compare overall mins played go ahead. I'm sure there are other players who've better him on those aspects, it'd be a given I'm sure. Again there was no mention of that in the original post though was there?

It was just how many games he had played (started) and his returns (goals and assists). Quite simple really or so you'd imagine.

As for using a different site, I stuck with whoscored (whatever the result) because that's where the statistic came from, seems logical to do so for the rest of the players named.

I'm following it perfectly, I've broke it down for you as much as I can now.
 
LilRicky said:
I posted a tweet with stats from his two seasons there accumulated. Other players were named and I done a similar like for like comparison, that makes sense.

What you done was pick stats from out of thin air to suit your objective. Not like for like. Picking stats for 3 season or one season or whatever you liked, which is just nonsense. Sure why don't we just compare Rooney's entire United stats vs Bales 2 seasons at Madrid, Seems fair!

I'm aware stats only tell some of the story and we shouldn't be using them as a definitive guide to judge players, it'd be ridiculous to do so. I never said he was great last season, in fact quite the opposite that his form had dropped off but I still believe he wasn't anywhere near as bad as some of you make him out to be.

But again, that wasn't what was being compared, once more it was his involvement in goals during his 2 seasons at Madrid. Not one season, Not just his first or just his second, but both seasons there combined.

When we take both seasons, combined his involvement in goals is only bettered by Ronaldo, Messi and Benzema.

If you want to look into per 90mins or compare overall mins played go ahead. I'm sure there are other players who've better him on those aspects, it'd be a given I'm sure. Again there was no mention of that in the original post though was there?

It was just how many games he had played (started) and his returns (goals and assists). Quite simple really or so you'd imagine.

As for using a different site, I stuck with whoscored (whatever the result) because that's where the statistic came from, seems logical to do so for the rest of the players named.

I'm following it perfectly, I've broke it down for you as much as I can now.
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I didn't use 3 seasons for Vela to compare him to Bale. I've already mentioned that I used TWO seasons just not the last season, because he had much less playing time than the two before, where he racked up his stats.

If we compare the two seasons he's tied to Neymar, but Neymar has played much less which easily should put him in front. Suarez played 2000 odd minutes last year and has racked up much better ratio than Bale.

He also plays for Real so it's easier for him to score against cannon fodders.

For those 2 seasons he has scored 2 goals against Sevilla, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid and Valencia which says a lot.

Not saying he's crap, but let's be fair in those 2 seasons was he really up to expectations to expect to be sold for the same amount if not more?
 
The lack of truly world class players is sending the price of players onto a level that the most signed for these ridiculous amounts will be ultimately be seen as a flop. How does anyone's season amount to 80m in absence of winning trophies? E.g. I'm not convinced about say Neymar but it's difficult to assess these players when the some of all the parts at Barca and Real are so good....
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
The lack of truly world class players is sending the price of players onto a level that the most signed for those amounts will be ultimately seen as a flop. I'm not convinced about say Neymar but it's difficult to assess these players when the some of all the parts at Barca and Real are so good....
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Its as if Neymar doesn't carry Brazil (a team which is not full of superstars like Barca). Also it doesn't matter what team you play for all the time. Kagawa came to United and flopped, as have a few. Bojan didn't progress at Barca.
You just have to watch Neymar to see he is a quality player.
 
Cassidy said:
Its as if Neymar doesn't carry Brazil (a team which is not full of superstars like Barca). Also it doesn't matter what team you play for all the time. Kagawa came to United and flopped, as have a few. Bojan didn't progress at Barca.
You just have to watch Neymar to see he is a quality player.
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Have you seen Brazil lately. I'm not convinced Neymar would have started in previous teams but that's another argument. Didn't say he wasn't a quality player, anymore than Bale, just saying if you sign a player for 100m, if you don't win something, they'll be seen as a high profile flop because of the price tag. The teams like Barca and Real have so many 50m+ worth players that it's not always as evident. I'm not sure if Neymar came here last season for 80m, we would have seen that value given the players he was playing with...
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Have you seen Brazil lately. I'm not convinced Neymar would have started in previous teams but that's another argument. Didn't say he wasn't a quality player, anymore than Bale, just saying if you sign a player for 100m, if you don't win something, they'll be seen as a high profile flop because of the price tag. The teams like Barca and Real have so many 50m+ worth players that it's not always as evident. I'm not sure if Neymar came here last season for 80m, we would have seen that value given the players he was playing with...
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Yes I've watched Brazil. He usually carries the team, just look at his goal scoring record, its not just because he plays for Barca.
Neymar is the type of player who can do it by himself, he would have been brilliant at United, like a youngish Ronnie. Doesn't matter if there is dross around him, he will take players on and try to create something by himself (sometimes a little too much) but hes still young. Rooney would have been loving having a player like Neymar in the attack with him.

The issue with Di Maria is that he was a midfielder, and the wrong type of midfielder for LVG since he doesn't like them to take too many risks. Neymar would have played with Rooney up top and would have been amazing in my opinion.

Nailed on to be the next air to the throne after Messi and Ronnie
 
carvajal said:
He(and the board) doesn´t want to play there anymore. He did it last year and many games he looked isolated. Today ABC writes an article about Bale saying that in his 10#role he looks like a horse in a living room. Here the fans and the press want to see San Siro´s Bale/Copa del Rey final , on the left and running.
I think the problem with this guy is the transfer fee. It would have been better to pay 50 million and the rest , until 100 in bonuses for goals, titles , individual trophies ... He would have much less pressure , but now everyone ( including him and his agent ) consider that the only thing that counts is the star role
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That's unusual as these days most wingers tend to want to play the role inverted so they can cut in on their shooting foot. I agree that the fee has weighed on Bale, he doesn't have the ego and self confidence that Ronaldo had to wear the world record at the time, and now he seems to feel like he has to justify it even though he didn't set it.
 
LilRicky said:
Yep very true and he is still a good player, is he not? He just didn't play to his abilities in the second part of the second.

Great players can put in poor performances and still be match winners with one moment of magic.
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Ofcourse. It would be madness to say Bale or Di Maria are not top class players just because of one season where they played below their level.
 
Cassidy said:
Yes I've watched Brazil. He usually carries the team, just look at his goal scoring record, its not just because he plays for Barca.
Neymar is the type of player who can do it by himself, he would have been brilliant at United, like a youngish Ronnie. Doesn't matter if there is dross around him, he will take players on and try to create something by himself (sometimes a little too much) but hes still young. Rooney would have been loving having a player like Neymar in the attack with him.

The issue with Di Maria is that he was a midfielder, and the wrong type of midfielder for LVG since he doesn't like them to take too many risks. Neymar would have played with Rooney up top and would have been amazing in my opinion.

Nailed on to be the next air to the throne after Messi and Ronnie
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Not sure how this has turned into solely a Neymar debate but like I said in general, not saying they are not good players just IMO when you pay 100m, not sure how the player will look like anything other than a major flop if you don't win anything. Saying that, it's hard to be a flop within you have that level of quality player around you.
 
prarek said:
Ofcourse. It would be madness to say Bale or Di Maria are not top class players just because of one season where they played below their level.
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exactly and people are hammering on about Bale last season, if people had never seen bale before and going on the posts here you'd think Bale was Keith Gillespie!
 
barros said:
Only the British and Perez rates Bale because on my book he's not even between the 10 best players.
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Not even top 10 attacking player, let alone top 10 overall player.

He was top 10 attacking player in his last season at Spurs though.
 
Kostur said:
What if there are 10 players who are better than him who are right footed? Not allowed?
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Bale isnt playing in his normal position? All neymar, suarez, robben, hazard infact anyone who is deemed better than bale is playing in their natural position.

As a RW only Robben is better. The guy is 25 for god sake and scored the winning goal aka the difference in madrids la decima. His poor performances arnt exactly poor, just not considered world record transfer worthy. Then you really have to deem the fact he isnt playing in his normal position a complete hindrance to his performance.

I cant wait for the idiot who deems james Rodriguez better than bale..
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Name me 4 better players than bale who are left footed ( so shunted out toRW) then it will make sense to say he isnt in the top 10 in the world.

Complete & utter delusion.
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That's a pretty absurd argument to make.

11 better attacking players than Bale: Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Aguero, Muller, Robben, Ibrahimovic, Rodriguez, Lewandovski, Hazard
Non-attacking players who are better than Bale: Neuer, Ramos, Lahm, Modric, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique

On 12-13 as I said Bale was top 10 in attacking positions. The only attacking players better than him were: Messi, Ronaldo, Ribery, Muller, Reus and Lewandovski (someone might argue that RVP/Suarez were better too but lets say that Bale was better considering that he won player of the year in England). But since then he has had first a good season, then an average (being very generous here) so he can't be forever in top 10 based on that season.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Bale isnt playing in his normal position? All neymar, suarez, robben, hazard infact anyone who is deemed better than bale is playing in their natural position.

As a RW only Robben is better. The guy is 25 for god sake and scored the winning goal aka the difference in madrids la decima. His poor performances arnt exactly poor, just not considered world record transfer worthy. Then you really have to deem the fact he isnt playing in his normal position a complete hindrance to his performance.

I cant wait for the idiot who deems james Rodriguez better than bale..
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What is his normal position? First LB then LW then through the middle, then RW now he wants to play in the middle again.
Neymar for instances is not a LW player, but he is excelling there for Barca. Many players take up different positions on the pitch especially attacking players and they adapt because of their quality. How many positions has Messi played for instance.

Bale is a quality player but lets not be silly, so he scored the winning goal in the UCL final, watch the game, he was poor.
He didn't have the best of seasons last season, but he'll probably have a better one this season.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Eff it & forget it. If anyone thinks that a single player at united is better than bale then that also is delusion.
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No-one was saying that.

Do people here still insist that Di Maria is in top 10 in the world? His 13-14 season was better than any season from Bale (yes, even beter than his 12-13 season) but one bad season and he is not in top 10 (or top 20). Why the same argument doesn't work for the British Bale?
 
Revan said:
That's a pretty absurd argument to make.

11 better attacking players than Bale: Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Aguero, Muller, Robben, Ibrahimovic, Rodriguez, Lewandovski, Hazard
Non-attacking players who are better than Bale: Neuer, Ramos, Lahm, Modric, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique

On 12-13 as I said Bale was top 10 in attacking positions. The only attacking players better than him were: Messi, Ronaldo, Ribery, Muller, Reus and Lewandovski (someone might argue that RVP/Suarez were better too but lets say that Bale was better considering that he won player of the year in England). But since then he has had first a good season, then an average (being very generous here) so he can't be forever in top 10 based on that season.
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Haha pique & rodriguez and lewandowski? Okay mate. Lewandowski the guy eho hasnt really hit the ground running at bayern yeh? Ribery who hasnt done anything for a season or 2? Hazard who moght be eye catchingly better but in no way has been influential in anything apart from chelsea winning a title.

None of the players you picked play in positions that are not their natural position. I

Him playing at RW is a hindrance and still only Robben is better.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Haha pique & rodriguez and lewandowski? Okay mate. Lewandowski the guy eho hasnt really hit the ground running at bayern yeh? Ribery who hasnt done anything for a season or 2? Hazard who moght be eye catchingly better but in no way has been influential in anything apart from chelsea winning a title.

None of the players you picked play in positions that are not their natural position. I

Him playing at RW is a hindrance and still only Robben is better.
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What an absurd statement, what has Bale been instrumental in that has been better than winning a league title?
Don't say la decima because he had a poor game and that was really won by ADM
 
Cassidy said:
What an absurd statement, what has Bale been instrumental in that has been better than winning a league title?
Don't say la decima because he had a poor game and that was really won by ADM
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He still had to score the goal, ultimately he was the difference. You can say it was beckham or sheringhams flick that was influential in our treble winning season yet all the praise goes to solsjkaer?
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
He still had to score the goal, ultimately he was the difference. You can say it was beckham or sheringhams flick that was influential in our treble winning season yet all the praise goes to solsjkaer?
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You can't compare scoring a tap in in one game (in which you were poor) to being the player of the year in a league winning campaign. That is absurd.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Haha pique & rodriguez and lewandowski? Okay mate. Lewandowski the guy eho hasnt really hit the ground running at bayern yeh? Ribery who hasnt done anything for a season or 2? Hazard who moght be eye catchingly better but in no way has been influential in anything apart from chelsea winning a title.

None of the players you picked play in positions that are not their natural position. I

Him playing at RW is a hindrance and still only Robben is better.
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Yet Lewandovski last season was better than Bale at Madrid? Do you realize that last season Bale wasn't even top 10 player for Madrid (only Casillas from the starting eleven was worse and Isco was miles better from the reserves)?

I didn't mention Ribery from current players. Learn to read!

Pique was the best defender in the world last season playing for a team that won the treble. Bale was Madrid's 11th best player in a team that won nothing.

Hazard was the best player in EPL last season, for a team that won the title. What has Bale done in the last two years to be considered better? Yes, he scored a goal in UCL final, but you won't find anyone who would say that Bale was better that season than Ronaldo, Modric, Di Maria or Ramos. So, again the fifth best player in his team.

Rodriguez was far far better than Bale last season (or better than Bale in his first season at Madrid). Ask any Madrid fan for that.

Seriously, have you seen Bale play in these last 2 years bar the rare game in UCL?
 
Revan said:
Yet Lewandovski last season was better than Bale at Madrid? Do you realize that last season Bale wasn't even top 10 player for Madrid (only Casillas from the starting eleven was worse and Isco was miles better from the reserves)?

I didn't mention Ribery from current players. Learn to read!

Pique was the best defender in the world last season playing for a team that won the treble. Bale was Madrid's 11th best player in a team that won nothing.

Hazard was the best player in EPL last season, for a team that won the title. What has Bale done in the last two years to be considered better? Yes, he scored a goal in UCL final, but you won't find anyone who would say that Bale was better that season than Ronaldo, Modric, Di Maria or Ramos. So, again the fifth best player in his team.

Seriously, have you seen Bale play in these last 2 years bar the rare game in UCL?
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Again none of the players you mentioned played in their unnatural position. They have an advantage.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Again none of the players you mentioned played in their unnatural position. They have an advantage.
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Ok, Di Maria is a top 10 player in the world cause the last time he played in his natural position (13-14) he was top 10, but last year LVG played him in other position so it doesn't count.

Rooney is one of the top 3 strikers in the world cause the last season he played as main striker (11-12) he was in top 3 or so.

Let's continue this...
 
Revan said:
Ok, Di Maria is a top 10 player in the world cause the last time he played in his natural position (13-14) he was top 10, but last year LVG played him in other position so it doesn't count.

Rooney is one of the top 3 strikers in the world cause the last season he played as main striker (11-12) he was in top 3 or so.

Let's continue this...
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Bale has never been top 10 players in the world, he hasn't achieved what a lot of player have YET.
 
Cassidy said:
Bale has never been top 10 players in the world, he hasn't achieved what a lot of player have YET.
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I agree (as I have been argumenting in my previous posts). He was top 10 attacking player though in 12-13 season but since then he has had a good season and an average/bad one, so 12-13 cannot indefinitely keep him in top 10 or so.
 
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