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I would take pedro and monitor the bale scenario, Bale is a great player,but 100 mil??

I have a feeling Bentiez will flop this year and Bale will be the villain yet again in the Madrid fans eyes, if that happens we will get him for far cheaper than the 100 million quoted of late.
 
SirBobbysCombover said:
I would take pedro and monitor the bale scenario, Bale is a great player,but 100 mil??

I have a feeling Bentiez will flop this year and Bale will be the villain yet again in the Madrid fans eyes, if that happens we will get him for far cheaper than the 100 million quoted of late.
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The money would be recovered within a month or two on jersey sales no problem.
 
LilRicky said:
The money would be recovered within a month or two on jersey sales no problem.
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We don't receive profit from shirt sales I believe, hence the £75m annual contract with Adidas
 
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Browniee said:
We don't receive profit from shirt sales I believe, hench the £75m annual contract with Adidas
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Adidas could part fund the transfer, they could ask United to make a marquee signing and they will provide some of the funds for it, on top of the sponsorship. Hes already sponsored by Adidas but signing for United at the start of a lucrative shirt sponsorship would be fantastic for them and would sell a lot of tops.
 
Browniee said:
We don't receive profit from shirt sales I believe, hench the £75m annual contract with Adidas
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Maybe you're right. However we do make money out of sponsors and through this signing, United will send the message that they mean business
 
AbusementPark said:
Adidas could part fund the transfer, they could ask United to make a marquee signing and they will provide some of the funds for it, on top of the sponsorship. Hes already sponsored by Adidas but signing for United at the start of a lucrative shirt sponsorship would be fantastic for them and would sell a lot of tops.
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In that case get it done :drool:
 
AbusementPark said:
Adidas could part fund the transfer, they could ask United to make a marquee signing and they will provide some of the funds for it, on top of the sponsorship. Hes already sponsored by Adidas but signing for United at the start of a lucrative shirt sponsorship would be fantastic for them and would sell a lot of tops.
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You are dreaming son.

Bale is not the mega superstar you think he is. Certainly not enough for Adidas to subsidise his transfer. Adidas are already paying us more than any other sponsor pays for a team and you think they will drop even more money in just to sell more shirts?
 
Browniee said:
We don't receive profit from shirt sales I believe, hence the £75m annual contract with Adidas
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Hmm, you sure of that? I'd suggest we do, 99% sure United (and every club for that matter) receive a percentage. It has the United crest on the jersey after all, which is a registered TM.
 
Jerch said:
Hope you are joking. If you are not you missed the forum with this kind of logic...
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Not sure if serious or not?

What's your point?

Yes we would recoup any money spent on a marquee signing in jersey sales. United receive a percentage of jersey sales. What don't you understand?
 
How many would we have to sell to recoup 100m? Even if we received 100% of the money for a shirt, surely it would take far too many.
 
RedStarUnited said:
You are dreaming son.

Bale is not the mega superstar you think he is. Certainly not enough for Adidas to subsidise his transfer. Adidas are already paying us more than any other sponsor pays for a team and you think they will drop even more money in just to sell more shirts?
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why not? It could happen, Keith Gillespie signed for my local club Glentoran a few seasons back and the shirt sponsor at the time paid his wages and still paid money into the club. In footballing terms Bale is a superstar and any club would want him in their team. Adidas know that it isn't just about selling shirts but the success it would bring to the team and the brand would be worth an extra couple of million to help sign Bale, especially to launch the new sponsorship deal.
 
They pay us such an obscene amount, a fixed obscene amount, every year. Why would they pay us a cut on shirt sales after tha?. I'd have thought that's the figure they agreed after all estimates. Any confirmation that we get paid per shirt?

The "we'll get our money back in 2 minutes" posts are brilliant.
 
LilRicky said:
Not sure if serious or not?

What's your point?

Yes we would recoup any money spent on a marquee signing in jersey sales. United receive a percentage of jersey sales. What don't you understand?
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Yeah this is Real Madrid logic but in reality it is not like that.

1. almost everyone who will buy Bale shirt is prepared to buy United shirt. If we will not sign Bale that person will buy Mata or Schweinsteiger shirt for example. Yes there are 1 or 2 out of 10 who will buy Bale shirt just because we signed Bale but other 8 people would buy it anyway.
2. shirt with name on the back is around 80 pounds if i am not mistaken. Lets assume we get 50% of that (which we don't but ok, more like 10%...). So we get 40 pounds for a shirt. If we would want to get back 100m with his shirt sales we would have to sell 2 500 000 shirts (in reality 5x more as we don't get 50% of the shirt sale).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-sales-charts-selling-average-1-5m-year.html
Going by that article we sell around 1.5m shirts per year in total. As are Madrid who often goes by how much they earned by shirt sales. A month or two you said. Think again...

3. I really can't believe i have to explain this shirt which was discussed milion times on this forum alone.
 
Jerch said:
Yeah this is Real Madrid logic but in reality it is not like that.

1. almost everyone who will buy Bale shirt is prepared to buy United shirt. If we will not sign Bale that person will buy Mata or Schweinsteiger shirt for example. Yes there are 1 or 2 out of 10 who will buy Bale shirt just because we signed Bale but other 8 people would buy it anyway.
2. shirt with name on the back is around 80 pounds if i am not mistaken. Lets assume we get 50% of that (which we don't but ok, more like 10%...). So we get 40 pounds for a shirt. If we would want to get back 100m with his shirt sales we would have to sell 2 500 000 shirts (in reality 5x more as we don't get 50% of the shirt sale).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-sales-charts-selling-average-1-5m-year.html
Going by that article we sell around 1.5m shirts per year in total. As are Madrid who often goes by how much they earned by shirt sales. A month or two you said. Think again...

3. I really can't believe i have to explain this shirt which was discussed milion times on this forum alone.
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Cranky today aren't we? :)

1. I never said everyone will buy a Bale shirt but considering our jersey sales increased year on year the last few years then it stands to reason we will sell more this time around also, considering it is a completely new design from a new brand and signing a big name player like Bale would certainly help push that along. More so considering he is a home grown talent and people love seeing them do well, considering United have a good history of nurturing successful home grown players.
2. I've no idea where your getting those figures from because United sell more than any other club in the world. We obviously can't be pulling figures from our backside like you with % of what name would be on the back of them. The only way those figures could be determined is from the official club shop and I'm pretty darn confident Bale would be in the Top 3 selling shirts (Rooney & Depay there too). Here's some figures for you too ;) http://thefieldsofgreen.com/2014/11/05/10-highest-selling-club-soccer-jerseys-in-2014/

3. Do you really feckin expect me to sift through 109 pages of thread? :wenger:
 
LilRicky said:
Hmm, you sure of that? I'd suggest we do, 99% sure United (and every club for that matter) receive a percentage. It has the United crest on the jersey after all, which is a registered TM.
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Yes, we do.
 
AbusementPark said:
why not? It could happen, Keith Gillespie signed for my local club Glentoran a few seasons back and the shirt sponsor at the time paid his wages and still paid money into the club. In footballing terms Bale is a superstar and any club would want him in their team. Adidas know that it isn't just about selling shirts but the success it would bring to the team and the brand would be worth an extra couple of million to help sign Bale, especially to launch the new sponsorship deal.
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:lol: Glentoran
 
@Jerch

More info, just to give you an example of the impact a big name signing can have on jersey sales.

In 2013 a report was compiled of player jerseys sold in the PL, This was the season of course Ferguson got his goodbye present, Robin Van Persie. So, how did RVP's signing effect jersey sales? Massively in fact.

RVP's name was put on no less than 25.4% of all Premier League jersey sales that season. Incredible really. But when you look at the top ten selling jerseys that season United account for 4 of the top selling 10 jerseys that year. Rooney in 3rd, Kagawa 4th & Scholes in 7th.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-Wayne-Roney-Steven-Gerrard-Luis-Suarez.html

Two years later LVG personally named Di Maria as the player he needed and in the last week of the transfer window, Woodward delivered. Again Di Maria jersey sales topped the charts for the most sold player jersey last year too. Whilst it wasn't near RVP's astonishing 25.4% he managed a respectable 9.59% of all Premier League jersey sales.

Again when the top ten are compiled United went one better this time around with 5 players in the top ten! De Gea in 4th, Rooney in 6th, Falcao in 7th & RVP still hanging in there in 10th!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eague-s-popular-player-based-shirt-sales.html

As you can see, Jersey sales are a huge part of revenue and marquee signings do indeed help push jersey sales.

So, I think you need to have a rethink about it all regarding jersey sales.
 
I still believe that bale rejected United because he knew that we would always be on the lookout for him aslong as his performances maintained a world class standard.

He is world class, without a doubt & all the financial implications is a non - issue.

If we were willing to break the WR transfer fee back then, we definitely can now; nevermind the sale of some of our superstars.

In a way, looking at de gea's treating of us, its better that bale went to madrid first than the other way around.
 
If I were Perez, I'd be driving Bale to Manchester myself... £100m!?!

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a fantastic player and would be a great addition to any English squad, but that's mental money.
 
Physiocrat said:
How do you see Real lining up this season? Presumably it'll be 4231 with Ronaldo left, Bale 10 and Benzema as the striker but who then will play right?
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As RaulMadrid said should be James but him and Isco are the best 10,it would be a waste to play him on the right.I still don't see his 4-2-3-1 with these players.During the preason he used Jesé ,Lucas Vazquez or Bale/Cristiano changing the positions.He plans a system of rotations but We will see how long until the players start to protest for being in the bench
 
LilRicky said:
@Jerch

More info, just to give you an example of the impact a big name signing can have on jersey sales.

In 2013 a report was compiled of player jerseys sold in the PL, This was the season of course Ferguson got his goodbye present, Robin Van Persie. So, how did RVP's signing effect jersey sales? Massively in fact.

RVP's name was put on no less than 25.4% of all Premier League jersey sales that season. Incredible really. But when you look at the top ten selling jerseys that season United account for 4 of the top selling 10 jerseys that year. Rooney in 3rd, Kagawa 4th & Scholes in 7th.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-Wayne-Roney-Steven-Gerrard-Luis-Suarez.html

Two years later LVG personally named Di Maria as the player he needed and in the last week of the transfer window, Woodward delivered. Again Di Maria jersey sales topped the charts for the most sold player jersey last year too. Whilst it wasn't near RVP's astonishing 25.4% he managed a respectable 9.59% of all Premier League jersey sales.

Again when the top ten are compiled United went one better this time around with 5 players in the top ten! De Gea in 4th, Rooney in 6th, Falcao in 7th & RVP still hanging in there in 10th!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eague-s-popular-player-based-shirt-sales.html

As you can see, Jersey sales are a huge part of revenue and marquee signings do indeed help push jersey sales.

So, I think you need to have a rethink about it all regarding jersey sales.
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You missed a point. By how much this signing rased the total number of sold shirt? Maybe few tousand but surely not significally. Number of sold shirts is really much more based on number of fans a club have than how big names they sign.

And jersey sales are not as huge part of revenue as you try to look like (i think we earn around 30m pounds with shirt sales, corect me if i am wrong) and marquee signing don't really help push jersey sales.
 
Jerch said:
You missed a point. By how much this signing rased the total number of sold shirt? Maybe few tousand but surely not significally. Number of sold shirts is really much more based on number of fans a club have than how big names they sign.

And jersey sales are not as huge part of revenue as you try to look like (i think we earn around 30m pounds with shirt sales, corect me if i am wrong) and marquee signing don't really help push jersey sales.
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Last year we sold 2 million extra jerseys, but yes it accounted for a small portion of our overall revenue. However if jersey sales make us say €30m or more approx when we've already been paid €75m per annum by adidas then that covers the transfer.
 
£100m is far, far too much for him. If we go close to that then Woody hasn't learned his lesson from the Di Maria business.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
£100m is far, far too much for him. If we go close to that then Woody hasn't learned his lesson from the Di Maria business.
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We or no one will be signing Bale for even close to £100m, it's papers making up figures.
I reckon he'll do one more year in Spain then come back to either us or Chelsea.
With the FSW in charge I can see Real having a shitty season
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
They pay us such an obscene amount, a fixed obscene amount, every year. Why would they pay us a cut on shirt sales after tha?. I'd have thought that's the figure they agreed after all estimates. Any confirmation that we get paid per shirt?

The "we'll get our money back in 2 minutes" posts are brilliant.
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right up there with the "it's not our money" comments. Seemingly forgetting if we follow such a stupid reckless thought pattern, we might not have a club to support in a few years.
 
I'd pay £100m for him. Adidas and Chevrolet doesn't pay us to keep the money in our pockets.

Bale is a monster of a player. He's by far the best british player and the best british players should always play for United. Him playing in Spain is like Xavi/Iniesta playing in England.
 
Bale playing for United seems like a matter of when, not if. When his holidays in Spain are over he'll head back to England, and provided we're in a position to compete for silverware then we'll go mental in an attempt to get him. Not this summer, though, and probably not next either.
 
They don't like him over there, apparently he is not popular in dressing room and Isco/James are more liked/talented in number 10 role.

Maybe there is a chance of us signing him.

 
Sherzad said:
They don't like him over there, apparently he is not popular in dressing room and Isco/James are more liked/talented in number 10 role.

Maybe there is a chance of us signing him.

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It's odd that if he's not for sale at any price, and a firm fixture for next season, that he's playing out of position.

Could it be that they're easing him out? A big bid imminent and they want the fans onside?
 
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