He was shit imo, very good in the Dortmund set-up, but shit outside of it.
Gareth Bale
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He was shit imo, very good in the Dortmund set-up, but shit outside of it.
I agree. If we got a chance than we should take it.
Its going to be hard to sign him up. Having said that the Real fans doesn't like him very much + Rafa is the type of manager who love making changes and shape the team to his image
Lets take him so Ronaldo can breath a sign of relief finnally.
So why again do we think we could land Bale? And why would RM want to sell?
We've get loads of money and he's not been great for them. Perez would be mad to turn down a massive bid. I've always felt it was a possibility.
He scored 19 goals and 11 assists last season. How can that translate in not being great for them?
They are not selling Ramos nor any other player to us if they dont want - Bale seems to be one of these players imo and doesnt have a reason to move either. And would people be fine if we offered more than RM actually paid for him?
We do or at least used to, Dortmund had a great period of form but their players (apart from Lewandowski maybe) have all gotten worse. Park contributed more to Utd than Kagawa.
Because his Barcelona equivalent (Neymar) scored 40 goals. Which is unfair to compare because, Messi is a much better creator to play with than Ronaldo.
Bale is expected to be Ronaldos heir, problem is he will probably never match Ronaldos output.
That's just grosss, it can't be true, right?
Reus has gotten worse? He had a rotten last year in terms of injuries, but in normal form he has clearly improved over the last years. His passing game, vision and creativity have clearly improved. In general he took over more duties in terms of play making after Götze left and is now more wellrounded than in his last years at Gladbach or first years at Dortmund.
In terms of scoring ability, Reus should in theory at least match Bale´s numbers. Both had a similar score/minute ratio (low 70 area) in their peak seasons, but the problem with these kind of comparisions is that it ignores tactical setup of their own teams (Bale being the undisputed main man at Spurs compared to Reus playing alongside top class striker Lewandowski) and the opposing teams (way more defensive vs. Dortmund compared to Spurs).
Rues still walks into the starting 11 of any prem team. With relative ease.
I obviously don't watch all of madrids games but the games I have seen , gareth bale does a lot of work getting back into defensive positions . bale does a lot of donkey work that maybe goes un noticed . Im not saying reus is better than bale but reus could fit into Benitez,s system better and could be an option if Madrid wanted to off load bale which according to reports they don't .
The rumours will always be there because every man and his dog knows that bale will eventually end up at United but it's just a matter of when . I would say he will stay 1 more season at Madrid then move , but money talks !
Going off his form last season and fans hostility towards him a bid of £80m plus would obviously make Madrid sit up and at least think about it surely ?
If you say so, I just don't agree completely. In his first season at Dormund and last at Gladbach, he impressed me more and always seemed extremely dangerous. Now when I see him play, I just don't have that feeling of "threat".
Would he at Chelsea (considering Mourinho's love for balance and Willian's efficiency) ?
Has all this Bale talk sprung from the Sunday Express story? If so, oh dear.
Di Maria got the third highest amount of assists in the league last season despite playing a lot fewer than anyone in the top 10. Did he have a great season? Yeah only for those who didn't actually watch games. Bale is a fantastic player but he was one of their worst performers last season if not the worst. No two ways about it.
He wouldn't in Chelsea. Hazard and Costa will be ahead of him and Mourinho loves Willian's work rate.
I agree with this, Bale was the worst performer in their start 11. Or maybe second worst after Casillas.
This guy fits even worse than Di Maria in LVG's system, I would e surprised if we are interested in him.
He's a top player, but needs a team who plays direct football, put him in Fergie's team and he would be Ballon D'Or material.
He's a top player, but needs a team who plays direct football, put him in Fergie's team and he would be Ballon D'Or material.
Woodward clearly has a hard on for Bale, he knows he could commercialise the crap out of him. He would fit LVGs desire of more pace too.
A front 3 of bale Rooney and depay would be orgasmic
A front 3 of bale Rooney and depay would be orgasmic
Yup.
A front 3 of bale Rooney and depay would be orgasmic[/QUOTE]
I disagree. LVG will use him like he used Robben in the World Cup. If we had the pace of Bale and Memphis up front LVG would play differentlt
I disagree. LVG will use him like he used Robben in the World Cup. If we had the pace of Bale and Memphis up front LVG would play differentlt
Bale is nothing like Robben.
We have to agree to disagree then because in no way, shape or form was his first season with us better than the second. He was always efficient for us in that season and the way he came back after a short midseason injury was phenomenal. He scored in basically every game at the end of the season, most of the time more than once. He was also our best player in every big game in that time. Watch the return fixture vs. Real Madrid and then tell me he was not a player who screamed "theat". I bet at least the Madrid players thought so when the guy singlehandily carried an injury ridden team nearly to a sensation (and he would have if his teammates would not have wasted the chances he created).
Of course he would. Having Hazard and Reus on either flanks would be terrifying for any opposing team in the league. It is also not that Reus is a lazy offensive player. A large amount of defensive contribution and back tracking was a requirement for any offensive player in Klopp´s high movement based pressing system, which was based around outrunning the opposing team (often by more than 10km). The players ran between 11 and 12 km per game on a regular basis, which is honestly not less than what Willian does at Chelsea. The upside in the offense of having Reus compared to Willian should be obvious.
I didn't say he was. Robben is unique. I said LVG will use him as he used Robben in the WC
Some players are excellent in fitting in into a certain system and would suffer without it. We need to take that in consideration
I read that and thought to myself that can't be right, Neymar didn't score 40 goals did he?
Looked it up fecking true, 39 goals and he wasn't even their top scorer. Messi 58
ADM's performance this season wasn't as bad as many make it sound. I think both fans and supporters suffered from a cultural shock. ADM comes from a football's world were its natural for players in that position to let the ball do the work for them and focus only in creating chances. United fans tend to perceive that attitude as laziness and lack of commitment. If you check some old posts you'll notice that we used to have the same arguments with JSV.
However I cant see how one can perceive a winger who scored 19 goals and made 11 assists as one of the worst performers. How can that be even possible?
I know what I do. Cock out, have a mega wank, and then order a bale home, away and third kit.
That sounds about right. Throw in a training kit with that too.
Is this gong to be the next saga thats not going to happen. Adding to the list of unattainable targets that Ed likes to pursue.
Reus has been loked great for Monchengladbach (and also for Germany) too. Kagawa looked great only for BVB.
I would prefer Reus to Bale any day. And Muller to both of them. And Ronaldo/Messi to anyone else.
That is impossible. Robben is probably the best player after Messi when it comes to dealing without having much space. He thrills when the other teams have 10 defenders in the box. Bale on the other side is the complete opposite, his lack of technique make him struggle on those cases, but on the other side looks a world beater when he has enough space. Usually that happens when he plays for underdogs like Spurs and Wales.
I must say that I would be extremely surprised if LVG (not Woody) goes for him. And if he goes, I can't ever see Bale reaching heights of his last Spurs season. He will fit our system as bad as Di Maria, though Bale would do better considering that he is strong and powerful.
On a team that plays direct football or counter-attacking football (Mourinho, Klopp), Bale would be one of the best in the world. So, unless we are going to change the manager, I just don't see Bale working for us.
If you watch the games, instead of stats, then you would understand it.
Some of the reaction in here to Di Maria's performances may have been ott but surely you agree he wasn't great. Anyway about Bale i watched many games last season and ill try my best to explain. First of all this is not to bash him. I thought he was great in his first season and he is undoubtedly a top class player, there is no doubt about this.
Bale's overall game was just not good enough last season. Think about this, his passing was the worst in the entire squad, not just the first team. Only the keepers had a worst passing percentage. Both James and Bale have just about the same number of goals and assists. James plays further behind Bale in midfield. Despite this he creates more chances(2.5) than Bale(1.5) and takes fewer shots and obviously does way more defensively. Bale also averages the third highest shots to games ratio in the league, only Messi and Ronaldo take more shots. Bale scored 13 goals in 103 shots, Benzema scored 15 goals in 69 shots. So while Bale's end product doesn't seem bad at all his contribution in every other area is below par. Bale is also often the least involved player. For all this to be excusable his end product has to be as good as Ronaldo or Messi and its not. I dare say Hernandez could have score more goals with the amount of chances they create. Bale was also easy sussed out in tight areas and gave the ball away consistently.
Also Real Madrid lost the league by 2 points. By midway through the season they were comfortably leading the table by about 7 points, so what happened? The problem last season was that Real Madrid were flat track bullies. They spanked the small teams but struggled in the big games.
La Liga top 4 Head-to-Head league
1. Barcelona - 15 points
2. Atletico Madrid - 9 points
3. Valencia - 7 points
4. Real Madrid - 4 points
They beat Barcelona in the beginning of the season but then lost every game against the top 4 opposition apart from one draw. Playing both Bale and Ronaldo in the big games has been like playing with 9 men. Its fine against smaller teams but in the big games it has back fired time and again.Their record in the big games eventually cost them the title. In Ronaldo's defense he scores an insane amount of goals. Bale was undoubtedly the weak link in that team last season.
If we buy Bale, I can see us making the same mistakes we made with ADM. Making him into a player he's not.
If we buy him, and let him play in his own style, then we'll win the league.
If we buy him, and let him play in his own style, then we'll win the league.
Would have Reus over him any day, Reus is less pacey and strong but his dribbling, creativity, vision and passing gives him the edge. Their goalscoring is similar when in form.
But dont really care who we get at the moment, cant watch Mata and Young on the wing for another season. They have been decent but its not good enough.
But dont really care who we get at the moment, cant watch Mata and Young on the wing for another season. They have been decent but its not good enough.
Bale won't go off in a huff and leave after a season
If we sign bale he will stay at the club a long time
Bale would be given a free role behind Rooney.
If I remember correctly his best season with Spurs was when he played behind the striker? He could be exactly what LvG is actually looking for in our system. He also has the pace that LvG says we need so much.
The main reason why I don't see Real selling Bale is that Ronaldo isn't getting any younger and they want Bale to probably fill his shoes once Ronaldo starts to decline. So it would probably take an insane bid by us to convince Real to sell him.
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