It almost made too much sense to do that. However I do have a feeling that if Giggs retired in the LVG/Woodward era, we would have done so. SAF just never replaced our best players near the end. Giggs, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Scholes.. the list goes on.
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It almost made too much sense to do that. However I do have a feeling that if Giggs retired in the LVG/Woodward era, we would have done so. SAF just never replaced our best players near the end. Giggs, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Scholes.. the list goes on.
If Perez leaves (highly likely) then maybe.
Well considering you've used a random twitter source which uses the wonderfully emperical value of "Relatively big games" while labelling Bale as Gareth 'LoL' bale hardly convinces me. Like I've said, if you score the winning goal in both the champions league final and Copa Del Rey final then you can't be labelled a big game bottler.
That's not even taking into account his career outside of Madrid - not too long ago he scored a winning goal for Wales against Belgium to put them closer to Euro 2016 qualification, and then there's the goals he's scored against teams like United, Arsenal and City while he was at Spurs.
James has done hardly anything to warrant being a "much better player".
I can see him having a frustrating upcoming season with FSW playing him in some odd positions, and then being made scapegoat by the Madrid fans when things don't go their way, possibly paving the way for us to sign him next summer.
Why don't you count how many goals/assists Bale have against Barca, Atletico, Valencia, Sevilla, Villareal, Liverpool, Schalke, Juve? You think numbers come from thin air?
And James is a better player in Madrid, anyone who watches Madrid play will tell you that.
You're just picking arbitrary teams to suit your agenda. Forget the fact he's scored against United, Spurs, Barcelona (Copa Del Rey), Atletico (CL Final), City, Arsenal and various other teams, lets lambast him for the lack of goals and assists he's managed over the likes of Villareal and Schalke
Everyone knows Thomas is better than James
You're just picking arbitrary teams to suit your agenda. Forget the fact he's scored against United, Spurs, Barcelona (Copa Del Rey), Atletico (CL Final), City, Arsenal and various other teams, lets lambast him for the lack of goals and assists he's managed over the likes of Villareal and Schalke
2014/15 season ring a bell?
It says in clear bold letters on the table.
When was the CL goal (an open goal)?
When was the Copa final goal?
You're just picking arbitrary teams to suit your agenda. Forget the fact he's scored against United, Spurs, Barcelona (Copa Del Rey), Atletico (CL Final), City, Arsenal and various other teams, lets lambast him for the lack of goals and assists he's managed over the likes of Villareal and Schalke
League table:
Real's opposition in CL - Liverpool, Schalke, Atletico, Juve.
And these are the teams mentioned in table. If numbers are wrong, inform the source of tweet.
My 4 year old could have scored Teddy Sheringham's cup final goal too, we want to take that away from him.
That photo was perfectly legitimate. It is just that it was based on purely the last season, when Bale was definitely a big match flop.
On other seasons he has been quite good in big matches, no doubt about that.
Rodriguez was far far better than Bale last season. As was Isco. Ask any Madrid/La Liga regular watcher and he will say so.
Its wrong on so many basis..
Besides what a stupid reason - penalties are regardless of opposition. Penalty against big sides you have top keeper and much more pressure than against Almeria...
League table:
Real's opposition in CL - Liverpool, Schalke, Atletico, Juve.
And these are the teams mentioned in table. If numbers are wrong, inform the source of tweet.
So we're fixating on one particular season?
Any reason why they're wanting to make him and not James the focal point of the side (after Ronaldo that is)?
The "hate" for Bale in this thread at times 
Come on Kaos, you're trying to win an argument based on how Florentino Perez thinks is the best way to make a squad strong. He is the same guy after all who sold Makelele cause he didn't sell enough shirts and didn't signed Ronaldinho cause he was too ugly.
James Rodriguez is currently a much better player than Gareth Bale. Bale in 12-13 season has been better than Rodriguez ever was though. What it seems clear to me though, is that Bale thrilles when he plays for underdog, teams when he has a lot of space. When he plays for a big team like Madrid, he seems to struggle. Be it cause he is mentally weak or in my opinion because of his average technique which makes quite difficult to do well when he doesn't have a lot of space.
Don't know why they exclude Suárez in all those comparison charts. I think he scored and/or assisted against every opponent in that list.
Perez is a goon and there's no arguing that, but I don't buy this idea that James is the better player. James has had a solid world cup and a pretty OKish debut season at Madrid. Bale has consistently been doing the business in his last 3 years at the EPL, has carried Wales in their international games and we've seen some of the stuff he's capable of in his first two seasons at Madrid.
A disappointing 14/15 season where he's been the victim of a witch hunt by the Madrid fans, media and possibly even his team mates hardly makes it a ripe environment for him to be at his best.
If United had the choice of signing either Bale or James - would you honestly go for the latter?
He had a great season that year - like those other players you mentioned have. He's not the answer to all of our problems, but he does, potentially address certain issues. he would also potentially be a viable target given what's gone on at Madrid. Despite the suggestions he won't go, stranger things have happened.
Even if he doesn't reach the heights of where he was in his last season for Spurs (although, I don't see any reason why a player of his quality and conditioning can't) he'd still be a quality addition for any side in the Premier League.
Indeed.
Bale hasn't been anywhere near the disaster some seem to suggest he is at Real Madrid. That club is a circus and a lot of players (i.e. the likes of Robben or Sneijder) have gone on to have their best years after leaving the club. He's been blamed for a lot, unfairly for me, in a side set up purely and simply to get the best out of one man. He' had a decent season the year before last given the huge price tag and moving to a new country and culture.
I'd look at any player who did what he did in the Premier League - carrying an average side and winning games on his own, and believe that there is no reason why he couldn't get back to that level. And at his age, there's potential to kick on further as well.
The simple fact is that as it stands he'd walk into our line up every day of the week.
Rodriguez carried Columbia to quarters of World Cup, being one of the top 3 or so players of the tournament. It is higher in my estimate that what Bale has done for Wales (they have yet to quality for a WC/Euro).
Rodriguez in his first year at Madrid was around as good as Bale in his first year there (although Rodrguez's bottom level is far higher than Bale's whom when he is off form is around as bad as Rooney when off form). Rodriguez is also two years younger than Bale and so has time on his side. Bale on the last two years has actually regressed but Rodriguez seems to be improved with every game.
Don't take my word, go make a poll when Madrid/La Liga fans vote and see how many will say that Rodriguez is better than Bale. If it is less than 80% I would be extremely surprised and won't have a bad word for Bale in the rest of my life.
Good post that. He seems to be the player fans love to hate. Why, I'm not sure.
Because he is by far, the worst performer from their senior attacking players. Ronaldo, Isco, Rodriguez and Benzema all play better than him.
If people can only understand this instead of claiming that Madrid fans are idiots, it would be quite easy. But again, in order to understand this you should watch Madrid play instead of claiming how great Bale is based on his last season for Spurs and on him being British.
Carrying Wales is a lot more impressive than carrying Columbia, who actually possess a decent group of players, as opposed to Wales where Bale can rely on Aaron Ramsey and some Championship players.
James also faces less competition in the position he plays in since ADM has left, Bale on the other hand is having to make room with Ronaldo and Benzema, two crowd favourites, yet despite this he still managed almost 20 goals last season.
I don't really care what Madrid fans think, they're mostly eejits who turn on a player for doing as much as being offside.
If he carries Wales to WC quarters, then obviosuly yes. So far, he hasn't carry them to nothing yet.
Hmm, Rodriguez plays in the middle with Bale/Ronaldo in the wings. I don't know how is that less competition considering that Isco (who btw had a better seasno than Bale too) prefers to play in the middle. Anyway, competition isn't a problem. Bale is Perez's best buddy, so Ancelotti was sacked for not constantly playing him despite that he was quite awful for the second part of the season.
It's just, Bale wasn't that good for Real Madrid.
Care or not for Madrid fans, they are far more qualified than us when it comes to their players. For a start, they watch Madrid play 50 games or so each year.
I watched a fair bit of Real Madrid last year, and while he underperfomed - he wasn't vastly worse than other players mentioned. And he was still better than any of our attacking players barring a couple.
And even if that was the case, I go back to my previous point - one bad season does not make you a bad player.
Di Maria was, I think its fair to say, a failure at United last year. Barring a few half decent early performances he looked uniterested and struggled with the pace and strength of the Premier League. Yet PSG are still willing to pay a large transfer fee for him because while form is temporary, class is permanent. Di Maria has clearly struggled to fit in and had family issues which affected his game. Who says Bale isnt in the same position?
The fact is, his poor season doesn't take away the skills that he has, nor his ability over all. Infact, if anything you could suggest that time in the pressure cooker of Madrid, along with playing alongside much better players would improve his game long term.
There are some bizarre arguments here. Some seem to think that one good season from him doesnt make him a great player, but apparently one bad season means he's finished? I don't understand that at all.
He's a player who's strengths make him not only cut out for the Prenier League, but also mean he can add the direct pace and ability from wide positions that we lack. And just because he's not currently lighting up La Liga, does that mean he won't come back and light up the Premier League? Not for me. If he's back in a League where he's comfortable, has the support of the fans and under a good manager who can get the best out of him then I'd suggest the chances are he'll do very well given the skill set and ability he clearly has.
Rupert Lowe hated us & Fergie (probably still does) and he wouldnt sell Bale to us at any price, so he went to Spurs instead.
If Giggsy really was his hero - then Bale should have forced through a transfer to us. He obviously wasnt that bothered about coming to United..
I keep hearing this and you may have a point I suppose, but if this is the case why do Madrid want to retain him?
United would pay a fortune for him now and it would smooth the DDG transfer no end, it would also mean Madrid could play Isco all the time which is what the fans want.
If it really is all down to Perez's ego then that is very sad..
Perez's spend a lot of money on him. Also, Bale is a good player from financial perspective considering that he was arguably the best EPL player and EPL is the biggest league in the world when it comes to popularity.
From footballing point of view, playing Bale last season didn't make sense. Obviously, he may yet come good and his top level is higher than Isco's top level (and probably Rodriguez's top level). It is just that on performances last season, he was below any other Madrid attacker (not counting Hernandez and Jesse who had limited minutes).
If it is to truly happen for him at Madrid on the scale it should given his fee then I think Ronaldo needs to go first.
For me the harmony just doesn't seem to be there between the two like it should be, I'm sure Ronaldo is a pretty intimidating and unforgiving team mate, Bale maybe feels this more than he lets on, for me needs to be the main main, free kick taker, penalty taker, first name on team sheet etc to show his true worth, right now he has no chance, and maybe never will.
I think Barca fans won't be losing too much sleep if Bale is made the 'main man' in Madrid after Ronaldo.
I think he did the right move for his career at the time. He was guaranteed a lot more gametime at Spurs, and to be honest - it turned out alright for him. Which chancer gave him a chance at left midfield? Fair play to that guy.
Good old 'arry?
On the other side, binning Ronaldo for Bale would be one of the most idiotic things that can happen in football. Bale is a very good player, but Ronaldo is a top 10 player of all time.
Bale is basically a lite version of Ronaldo.
Agree, that Bale seems to need being the main man in order to shine.
Clubs like United might only come calling once though; but as it turned out - Bale's probably had to change his phone number because we've been ringing him so much..
Not true Shark, Fergie did replace those players:
Giggsy - he played Rooney on the left-wing
Ronaldo - he bought Valencia
Rio - he bought Jones
Scholes - he bought Anderson
Not great reading eh?
I wasn't suggesting Madrid sell Ronaldo, more that Bale with be forever in is shadow and be seen as inferior to him, so on the understanding Ronaldo has another 3 years + left In him Bale has no chance.
Another tough season awaits unless Benitez has some grand plan for him.
I just know we're gonna hit Perez with an insane blockbuster offer before September. It's just so gonna happen.
We should doing what they have done with De Gea. Get him to run his contract down and give them a taste of their own medicine.
I hope not. Don't want Perez getting anymore of our money - he can feck right off.
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