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I genuinely can't think of one important footballing characteristic that Bale has over Ronaldo. Not one. Bale is like mini-Ronaldo. Similar, but in every way weaker.

Ronnie has a better touch, better goal-scoring, better dribbler, better shot, better header, better passer, more two-footed, more assists, more goals and is never injured.

Literally, I'm struggling. Bale might be an touch faster at full speed, but they're both faster than almost every full back/centre back so it doesn't really matter.
 
:lol: I can't believe he said Gareth fecking Bale is physically superior to Ronaldo. What the hell is he on?
 
:lol: I suppose his username should have given me a fair warning of what his response would be. Why the feck did I bother?
 
I knew there were some people somewhere lapping up all he bullshit that the media were spouting about Bale last season.

I guess. Silly me, and silly media (ex pros, coaches etc) for obviously spouting all that bullshit in the first place. They obviously have an agenda and no means to assess themselves.
 
To be honest, I'm an Iniesta fanboy myself, and I'd sruggle to argue anybody bar Messi is better than him.

That said, I think Bale is still a victim of playing for Spurs. I am of the opinion that if his season last year was replicated, but at United, Bayern, Real etc - my posts would not seem so ridiculous. He was destroying teams in a manner that had not been done since Ronaldo himself was last here.
I'm afraid you've bought into the media stirred obscene bale hype.

You don't think Rvp has been tearing up the premier league more than any other player over the last two years? He's been the next dominant force in the premier league since Ronaldo. The guy has scored 26 more goals than anyone else in this period. And for two different teams!! Yet you think no one since Ronaldo has done what bale has. Madness.
 
So what's everyone's predictions on the transfer fee? £100m? £90m?

How we sold Ronaldo for only £80m must go down as one of the greatest mysteries of all time!
 
I'm afraid you've bought into the media stirred obscene bale hype.

You don't think Rvp has been tearing up the premier league more than any other player over the last two years? He's been the next dominant force in the premier league since Ronaldo. The guy has scored 26 more goals than anyone else in this period. And for two different teams!! Yet you think no one since Ronaldo has done what bale has. Madness.

I've thought that RVP is the best striker in the league for the past 4 years or so personally. I haven't been able to 'prove it' for that long with statistics perhaps, but from using my own observation, he has been the best. He is also a lot older than Bale and only got 5 more league goals last season playing centre-forward for the Champions which included penalties, of which Bale had none. Don't get your point.

I don't think RVP 'tore up the league' more than Bale last season. The season before, yes.
 
RVP is a fair debate, but not Suarez, not even nearly.
Putting our dislike aside, why not ? He was brilliant last year. He created numerous chances through his ability to beat a and he scored loads of goals. He's an outstanding footballer. While bale score more late on in game, Suarez was far far more creative than bale.
 
So what's everyone's predictions on the transfer fee? £100m? £90m?

How we sold Ronaldo for only £80m must go down as one of the greatest mysteries of all time!

It's still a world record. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, £80m seemed outlandish then, still does in many ways. But we say things like that because of the player; he deserved that fee, he won trophies, scored goals and earned personal accolades. When Gareth Bale is going for that much more than someone like Ronaldo, more fool Madrid I think.
 
I've thought that RVP is the best striker in the league for the past 4 years or so personally. I haven't been able to 'prove it' for that long with statistics perhaps, but from using my own observation, he has been the best. He is also a lot older than Bale and only got 5 more league goals last season playing centre-forward for the Champions which included penalties, of which Bale had none. Don't get your point.

I don't think RVP 'tore up the league' more than Bale last season. The season before, yes.
But you said noone has tore up the league since Ronaldo like bale has. But Rvp has clearly been the leagues best performer over the last two and bit more years.

Also, Rvp might play as a striker, but that makes no difference because bale is given a free role like Ronaldo to ensure he gets as many goals as possibly. Like Ronaldo his goal output would not increase up top. Unless you think it would and someone like Ronaldo would get a 100 goals upfront.
 
I think that's a very fair post, and perhaps closer to how mine should have looked.

That said, the fact that Ronaldo scored nearly double the goals needs to be analysed further. We won the treble, so I'd guess he played more games. He also took all of our penalties while Spurs didn't get any. I'd say the gap could be a bit less if those factors didn't exist. Not to mention the fact that he was in the best team in Europe, who generally dominated most games.


Yep, was thinking this would be touched upon. :D It's definitely something to take into consideration, though I don't think it makes up for twice the productivity - it really cannot be stressed how enormous an achievement that was at the time given the role he played. I would even say that Ronaldo was more restricted in his role then than Bale too, actually; Bale now is a lot more likely to go through the centre, where as Ronaldo would usually end up in the centre via a wide position off the ball. I thought that was a shame in context of his previous season but not unexpected given that Tevez and Rooney were often both playing.

I think one thing to consider about the 07/08 team is just how much Ronaldo dragged us in an attacking sense at times. We had much better control over games back then than our current team (a significant factor admittedly), yet Tevez and Rooney probably had two of their worst seasons to date. Likewise, Scholes and Giggs had pretty poor seasons and many were predicting they were on their way out. We did have some great performances at times but it was the sheer efficiency and also magic of Ronaldo that became by far the main emphasis of our attack. The reason I think his productivity has increased in Madird in fact is because, in players like Ozil and Di Maria, I think he's playing for a team more suited to his talents, and not because he is a lot better now than he was then. We only had the Madrid Ronaldo for one season, yet in that one season a whole host of our top players were playing some way beneath themselves, with some of them taking up the central areas that he has been more prone to occupying at Madrid.

Nevertheless, as you rightly point out, United > Spurs in terms of the control that the two teams had over games. The difference that makes is something that can never be proven and can only really be estimated, though I do think it's worth considering the context of Ronaldo's season even if he was playing for a double winning team. That Ronaldo wasn't too different from the current one, meaning that the discussion doesn't become all that different from questioning whether Bale is better than the current Ronaldo. I don't think this is necessarily a perfectly logical way to look at the argument, but it's something to consider given the noticeably clear difference between the two players these days.

Edit: I think there's another thing to consider here, and that is the special sort of mentality it takes to be so influential in a team full of stars. It takes a hell of a personality to play so freely for a top team and there's no guarantee that someone of Bale's lesser technical ability would be like that amidst United/Madrid players. Sometimes it's forgotten that being by far the best player in a team often makes it easier to excel on an individual basis, and gives you a confidence that you're not guaranteed to have if you're one of many.
 
So what's everyone's predictions on the transfer fee? £100m? £90m?

How we sold Ronaldo for only £80m must go down as one of the greatest mysteries of all time!

It was no mystery. No one complained about getting £80m cash for a player who was desperate to leave for at least 2 seasons.It broke the previous world record fee by about £25m.
 
So, what, that converts bale into an un creative player? Rvp was in a much worse team at arsenal but had better stats than he has had with united.
Maybe it does, yeah.

It's also possible RVP had a better season personally for Arsenal in his last, rather than United.

Obviously we need to take into account both Bale and RVP being the focal point for their teams.

James Beattie scored nearly all of Southamptons goals in 05 but was still a worse player than RVP.

Common sense just has to be used.
 
Maybe it does, yeah.

It's also possible RVP had a better season personally for Arsenal in his last, rather than United.

Obviously we need to take into account both Bale and RVP being the focal point for their teams.

James Beattie scored nearly all of Southamptons goals in 05 but was still a worse player than RVP.

Common sense just has to be used.
Well yeah. And common says that you don't suddenly start racking up 20 assists in a different team. And maybe Rvp didn't have as good a season as with arsenal but it also shows that you can't just multiply a players performances/ output with by 2 if he were a team twice as good. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise Suarez would match messi at barcelona given how shit Liverpool were last season.
 
It's still a world record. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, £80m seemed outlandish then, still does in many ways. But we say things like that because of the player; he deserved that fee, he won trophies, scored goals and earned personal accolades. When Gareth Bale is going for that much more than someone like Ronaldo, more fool Madrid I think.


That's the thing. I'm not surprised at Ronaldo's success at Real because everyone knows what a great player he is. And it's the consistency that sets him and Messi apart from the other "great players", the ability to do it every season and in almost every game at an unbelivable level, for many seasons and still ongoing. On the other hand, Bale hasn't scored that many goals, won no trophies and has been very good for like only 2 seasons. In fact many people were making fun of him when he first joined Spurs and had a record that Spurs couldn't win when Bale played.

Of course he's a very good player now and everyone's talking about him. I like him a lot and enjoy watching him play. However his achievements have not come anywhere close to Ronaldo's. If Real really pay like 90 or 100m pounds for him, it's going to be a huge gamble.
 
Well yeah. And common says that you don't suddenly start racking up 20 assists in a different team. And maybe Rvp didn't have as good a season as with arsenal but it also shows that you can't just multiply a players performances/ output with by 2 if he were a team twice as good. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise Suarez would match messi at barcelona given how shit Liverpool were last season.

Yeah you always have to weigh up the fact you're playing with better players against the fact that more teams will be playin to completely keep you out. The weaker the team you're in the more open each game will be as the opposition will have a go a lot more and leave space.
 
Putting our dislike aside, why not ? He was brilliant last year. He created numerous chances through his ability to beat a and he scored loads of goals. He's an outstanding footballer. While bale score more late on in game, Suarez was far far more creative than bale.

He's a flat track bully as far as I'm concerned, racking up his stats against cannon fodder.
 
He's a flat track bully as far as I'm concerned, racking up his stats against cannon fodder.
Didn't he have a good record last season scoring against Chelsea city etc? Someone posted it I think.
 
I genuinely can't think of one important footballing characteristic that Bale has over Ronaldo. Not one. Bale is like mini-Ronaldo. Similar, but in every way weaker.

Ronnie has a better touch, better goal-scoring, better dribbler, better shot, better header, better passer, more two-footed, more assists, more goals and is never injured.

Literally, I'm struggling. Bale might be an touch faster at full speed, but they're both faster than almost every full back/centre back so it doesn't really matter.


Ronaldo was never all those things at once, though. It's debatable, for example, how good a dribbler the current Ronaldo is - he can power past a player at pace, but that's not dribbling. He's far less agile than in his earlier days. And better passer? That's always been the weakest element of his game. He's never really had the killer ball in his arsenal, and while that's not to say Bale does necessarily, he's by no means a worse passer.

And with shots from distance, I'd take Bale over Ronaldo any day. While Ronaldo relies on hitting the ball hard with a certain technique, Bale's technique is as if he's able to control where he's putting it, almost like he's placing it with extreme pace.
 
Ronaldo was never all those things at once, though. It's debatable, for example, how good a dribbler the current Ronaldo is - he can power past a player at pace, but that's not dribbling. He's far less agile than in his earlier days. And better passer? That's always been the weakest element of his game. He's never really had the killer ball in his arsenal, and while that's not to say Bale does necessarily, he's by no means a worse passer.

And with shots from distance, I'd take Bale over Ronaldo any day. While Ronaldo relies on hitting the ball hard with a certain technique, Bale's technique is as if he's able to control where he's putting it, almost like he's placing it with extreme pace.



I'm pretty sure he has a killer ball in him.
 
I often think people confuse certain players confidence/arrogance for lack of football intelligence, with Ronaldo I've often seen people say he won't be able to adapt when he's older because he lacks football smarts but I don't agree at all, he see's the pass but he backs himself rightly or wrongly to do something else. He's shown great awareness of players over the years. Think Nani gets a similar treatment on here at times as well but that's a different matter.

I've not really seen that from Bale that much, he's capable of putting in a great cross but I can't say I've seen many times when he's shown great awareness etc. In many ways I feel that sometimes he has more freedom than I remember Ronaldo having, even under Mourinho I thought Ronaldo still had a tactical position on the left flank but obviously able to drift.

That's another reason I really can't see how you can play them both without shackling one. I don't think you can have two players, both looking to do their own thing. The Neymar Messi comparison doesn't work for me as the Barca system is set up so much differently.
 
Ronaldo was never all those things at once, though. It's debatable, for example, how good a dribbler the current Ronaldo is - he can power past a player at pace, but that's not dribbling. He's far less agile than in his earlier days. And better passer? That's always been the weakest element of his game. He's never really had the killer ball in his arsenal, and while that's not to say Bale does necessarily, he's by no means a worse passer.

And with shots from distance, I'd take Bale over Ronaldo any day. While Ronaldo relies on hitting the ball hard with a certain technique, Bale's technique is as if he's able to control where he's putting it, almost like he's placing it with extreme pace.

Agree with that, Bale's long shots are more varied. He can fire it with great accuracy with his instep or his laces and he always seems to test the keeper. Ronaldo seems to be purely power with the laces. Bale is just as clinical as Ronaldo is when clean through too. He doesn't always go for the same finish, he can take it round the keeper, chip it over him or just place it in.
 
Agree with that, Bale's long shots are more varied. He can fire it with great accuracy with his instep or his laces and he always seems to test the keeper. Ronaldo seems to be purely power with the laces. Bale is just as clinical as Ronaldo is when clean through too. He doesn't always go for the same finish, he can take it round the keeper, chip it over him or just place it in.

Bale is as clinical as Ronaldo when through? What are you basing that on?
 
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Prices go up, it's called inflation.

Exactly. Some people have been very quick to forget just how staggering an amount that seemed to be for any player back then. Miles above anything that had ever been paid before.

Not only are football transfer fees affected by constant inflation, but that was before the big jump caused by the likes of City and PSG flooding the market with oil money. At the time, it was a great price.
 
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