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Rozay said:
I think Ronaldo is more of a physical specimen than he is a technical genius, and technically I don't think he's a different level to Bale at all. He is no Messi/Iniesta in terms of natural grace with the ball.

Physically, they are quite similar, although I would have Bale slightly ahead there. He is faster than Ronnie I'd say.

Bale also has outstanding delivery from wide areas. Other than Beckham, I can't think of many who can whip a ball in with bend and speed like him. Not Ronaldo anyway.

I also think he is better at running with the ball than Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo could/would score the goal Bale scored against us last season for instance. Bale is like an express train with the ball.

Bale is also a better passer of the ball. Be it a big diagonal or one of his outside of the foot through balls. I don't really think Ronaldo is the most creative passer.

For me, Ronaldo has more trickery than Bale, and has more of a nose for goal in the sense that he scores more tap-ins too. I think that bit is largely down to an obsession for personal glory and to be the Pichichi than anything else. Other than that, I don't see much between them.
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Insane post.

He wouldn't score the goal bale scored agains us? What, like you mean outpace a slow version of what rio Ferdinand used to be with ample of room to run into?

The bale hype is ridiculous. It will be fun when he goes there and Ronaldo looks a class above which he is.
 
Oh, and Ronaldo had 24 assists (and still got around 20 goals) in 06/07, when he was younger than Bale, which was before he was predominantly playing as a goalscroer and was still a winger. Bale has never managed more than 4 assists in a season, yet he's the better crosser and passer?

I can't believe this is being argued.
 
Who will take Madrid's free-kicks next year then? Ronaldo won't like Bale pissing on his turf even though he'll maintain a neutral stance to the media. Few Bale wonder goals will annoy Ronnie as well...
 
Ronaldo is better on the ball than bale. He's a better passer, his touch is a lot better, he's got more pure ability on the ball, more trickey. And how the hell is bale is physically superior ? He's a bit quicker but Ronaldo is a beast in the air. How many crucial goals has he scored in the air?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Ronaldo is better on the ball than bale. He's a better passer, his touch is a lot better, he's got more pure ability on the ball, more trickey. And how the hell is bale is physically superior ? He's a bit quicker but Ronaldo is a beast in the air. How many crucial goals has he scored in the air?
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Yeah, I like how he conveniently failed to mention things that Ronaldo is a bazillion times better at.
 
shaggy said:
Who will take Madrid's free-kicks next year then? Ronaldo won't like Bale pissing on his turf even though he'll maintain a neutral stance to the media. Few Bale wonder goals will annoy Ronnie as well...
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Ronaldo won't care, he'll take them all at OT.
 
Rozay said:
I'm not having 'neither cross the ball much'. Bale is clearly better at it, regardless of how often they do it. Well, in my view anyway.

And you're opinion is fair. Mine is that Bale reached a level this season that was close, very close, to Ronaldo when he was here. Also, Spurs didn't get a single penalty all season. If they got a few, and Bale took them (like Ronaldo too all of ours), then I imagine he would have broke 30 goals.

I think the huge difference between them now is goals, and that Ronaldo has more trickery.
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The difference between them now, just like it was before, is that Ronaldo is still a much better player.
 
Saying Bale is as good Ronaldo, is like saying Neymar is as good as Messi.
 
I've just read that stupidly long post, and I have come to the conclusion it is also a very stupid post.Rozay, I do think you need to go back to watching previous videos of Ronaldo's technical ability and realise how ridiculously wrong you are. Have you forgotten the step overs, the sudden cuts between his legs, his running ability? This was actually an embarressing read, so wrong on so many levels. I would be shocked if anyone agreed with half of the things you had just posted.
 
niMic said:
You aren't actually allowed to say that Bale is faster, a better crosser and a better passer than Ronaldo, and the only thing Ronaldo has over Bale is "trickery" and "scores more tap ins".
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I can say what I feel. I used those examples as I was making the point that the gulf isn'tt that huge in my view, and there are things Bale is better at. Hence me highlighting them.

Of course, there are things Ronaldo is better at, but that is a given, and was not my point, I was making a case for Bale.

And the two things I said Ronaldo was better at are quite significant. A Bale who scores nearly twice the goals and a wider range of skills would be considered a better player of course. As I think Ronaldo is. I just feel people are not acknowledging that Bale is pretty amazing.

If we're going to go on what is 'generally accepted', it was widely viewed by most pundits that Bale was number 3 behind the obvious two last season. Maybe that's just because they were British media, I dunno.
 
Cina said:
Oh, and Ronaldo had 24 assists (and still got around 20 goals) in 06/07, when he was younger than Bale, which was before he was predominantly playing as a goalscroer and was still a winger. Bale has never managed more than 4 assists in a season, yet he's the better crosser and passer?

I can't believe this is being argued.
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This is what I find laughable when people compare bale right now to Ronaldo in 06/07. Ronaldo was in a different class. He was creative, beat players for fun and carried our attacks brilliantly because he could just run with it and defenders couldn't get it off him. And as you've mentioned, he created.
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Rozay said:
I can say what I feel. I used those examples as I was making the point that the gulf isn'tt that huge in my view, and there are things Bale is better at. Hence me highlighting them.

Of course, there are things Ronaldo is better at, but that is a given, and was not my point, I was making a case for Bale.

And the two things I said Ronaldo was better at are quite significant. A Bale who scores nearly twice the goals and a wider range of skills would be considered a better player of course. As I think Ronaldo is. I just feel people are not acknowledging that Bale is pretty amazing.

If we're going to go on what is 'generally accepted', it was widely viewed by most pundits that Bale was number 3 behind the obvious two last season. Maybe that's just because they were British media, I dunno.
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Pretty much everything?
 
Cina said:
Oh, and Ronaldo had 24 assists (and still got around 20 goals) in 06/07, when he was younger than Bale, which was before he was predominantly playing as a goalscroer and was still a winger. Bale has never managed more than 4 assists in a season, yet he's the better crosser and passer?

I can't believe this is being argued.
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Better team though. Not that any of what Rozy is arguing makes any sense. But spurs didnt score a huge amount of goals last year, yet Bale had his hand in a huge percentage.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Insane post.

He wouldn't score the goal bale scored agains us? What, like you mean outpace a slow version of what rio Ferdinand used to be with ample of room to run into?

The bale hype is ridiculous. It will be fun when he goes there and Ronaldo looks a class above which he is.
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I've never seen him score one like it before from memory, and I've seen him score more than enough goals. To say he 'probably could' is one thing, but I've seen Bale do it, more than once.
 
As of now and even if Ronaldo retires tomorrow, he's currently a much superior player than Bale in every aspect. Name me anyone who will choose Bale over Ronaldo in his team, i'll buy you a drink. Now can Bale get to that level with time and age on his side? feck knows yet
 
rcoobc said:
Better team though. Not that any of what Rozy is arguing makes any sense. But spurs didnt score a huge amount of goals last year, yet Bale had his hand in a huge percentage.
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Not arguing that, it's just that he can somehow come to the conclusion that Bale is better at passing and crossing (hence implying he's more creative) than Ronaldo yet he's never managed more than 4 assists in the PL in a season.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
And how the hell is bale is physically superior ?
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How could anyone possibly say Bale is physically superior? Just baffling
 
Rozay said:
I've never seen him score one like it before from memory, and I've seen him score more than enough goals. To say he 'probably could' is one thing, but I've seen Bale do it, more than once.
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What? You've never seen Ronaldo picking up the ball, outpacing his defender and slotting it in? Have you ever seen him play at all?
 
rcoobc said:
Better team though. Not that any of what Rozy is arguing makes any sense. But spurs didnt score a huge amount of goals last year, yet Bale had his hand in a huge percentage.
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So, what, that converts bale into an un creative player? Rvp was in a much worse team at arsenal but had better stats than he has had with united.
 
Rozay said:
I've never seen him score one like it before from memory, and I've seen him score more than enough goals. To say he 'probably could' is one thing, but I've seen Bale do it, more than once.
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What are you on about? It was okay goal. Nothing stood out about it. What about that can Ronaldo not do ? He's score better versions of that goal numerous times? I think you've put in an imaginary couple of defenders along bales path to goal because I can't see what was great about it??
 
I always hate it when people use the "look what he did with these players, imagine what he can do with better teammates!". It doesn't work like that. There are tons of examples of players whose stats don't increase just by playing for a better team.
 
Hectic said:
The difference between them now, just like it was before, is that Ronaldo is still a much better player.
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I think Ronald is better, just not that Bale is as many levels below as some think. I don't think it would be outrageous to say Bale was third best player in Europe last season. Given that Ronaldo is only second himself, some are talking as if there are about 20 players between them.
 
niMic said:
I always hate it when people use the "look what he did with these players, imagine what he can do with better teammates!". It doesn't work like that. There are tons of examples of players whose stats don't increase just by playing for a better team.
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Very true.
 
Rozay said:
I think Ronald is better, just not that Bale is as many levels below as some think. I don't think it would be outrageous to say Bale was third best player in Europe last season. Given that Ronaldo is only second himself, some are talking as if there are about 20 players between them.
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There might as well be. Messi and Ronaldo are #1 and #2, and the rest are far behind.
 
It's far more likely that Bale's stats will decrease because Real will be far, far less reliant on him for goals than Spurs were.
 
He wasn't even the best in the premier league. Rvp and Suarez were.

And I'm sorry but what about the likes of iniesta? How on earth is bale better than him?
 
Rozay said:
I think Ronaldo is more of a physical specimen than he is a technical genius, and technically I don't think he's a different level to Bale at all. He is no Messi/Iniesta in terms of natural grace with the ball.

Physically, they are quite similar, although I would have Bale slightly ahead there. He is faster than Ronnie I'd say.

Bale also has outstanding delivery from wide areas. Other than Beckham, I can't think of many who can whip a ball in with bend and speed like him. Not Ronaldo anyway.

I also think he is better at running with the ball than Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo could/would score the goal Bale scored against us last season for instance. Bale is like an express train with the ball.

Bale is also a better passer of the ball. Be it a big diagonal or one of his outside of the foot through balls. I don't really think Ronaldo is the most creative passer.

For me, Ronaldo has more trickery than Bale, and has more of a nose for goal in the sense that he scores more tap-ins too. I think that bit is largely down to an obsession for personal glory and to be the Pichichi than anything else. Other than that, I don't see much between them.
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Some fair enough points, but I don't think it's sufficient based on this to say Bale is too near to the level Ronaldo was at. I also don't think the difference in creative passing and pace is overly significant, though Bale is probably the more threatening dribbler at this moment in time in full flow. It'd be accurate to say that he's better at using his pace when he's got the ball, but I don't think he's faster.

Ronaldo is clearly on a different technical level to Bale in my opinion. He's actually got one of the best first touches I've ever seen to be honest, but controlling a football for him is just such a non-issue that it's not really something that comes to mind straight away. Further, he's a better finisher, has better footwork, is better in the build up (and more suited to link up play with other technical players) and better in the air. Aside from that, his positioning and movement (alongside Messi's obviously) is and has been undoubtedly the best in the world.

Still, the best way to see the difference is when you consider the styles of the two players and subsequently realise how similar they are in their style of play. Bale now and Ronaldo 07/08 are both 'Pichichi'-type players, yet statistically Ronaldo back then was twice the Pichichi player that Bale is now. I'm not usually one for statistics, but with Bale and Ronaldo it's actually approriate to discuss them in these terms given that they are both clearly driven by this type of glory. Both players' games suffered to a certain extent in a general sense when they made this switch, yet Ronaldo back then had considerably more to show for it.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He wasn't even the best in the premier league. Rvp and Suarez were.

And I'm sorry but what about the likes of iniesta? How on earth is bale better than him?
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To be honest, I'm an Iniesta fanboy myself, and I'd sruggle to argue anybody bar Messi is better than him.

That said, I think Bale is still a victim of playing for Spurs. I am of the opinion that if his season last year was replicated, but at United, Bayern, Real etc - my posts would not seem so ridiculous. He was destroying teams in a manner that had not been done since Ronaldo himself was last here.
 
Cina said:
Bale was definitely the best in the PL last season, let's not go into overkill.
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Nah, I actually believe he wasn't. The other two scored as many goals ( more) but have more to their general play. All those little bits of play where Rvp just oozes class, bale doesn't do that for. And it's not an aesthetic thing. It adds to our buildup.

On the same note, I don't get how'd people can say bale was better than Suarez. They scored a similar amount and Suarez was actually creative. He set up shitloads of chances for his team mates last season. Bale did nothing of the sort.

But again, I can see why people might believe was the best in the league last season. But he's not up there with Ronaldo, not his current version, not his version of 07.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Nah, I actually believe he wasn't. The other two scored as many goals ( more) but have more to their general play. All those little bits of play where Rvp just oozes class, bale doesn't do that for. And it's not an aesthetic thing. It adds to our buildup.

On the same note, I don't get how'd people can say bale was better than Suarez. They scored a similar amount and Suarez was actually creative. He set up shitloads of chances for his team mates last season. Bale did nothing of the sort.

But again, I can see why people might believe was the best in the league last season. But he's not up there with Ronaldo, not his current version, not his version of 07.
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I've had this debate before and I can't really be arsed getting into it again, plus we're both stubborn cnuts so it'd inevitably go around in circles after a while, so let's agree that I'm right.
 
KingEric7 said:
Some fair enough points, but I don't think it's sufficient based on this to say Bale is too near to the level Ronaldo was at. I also don't think the difference in creative passing and pace is overly significant, though Bale is probably the more threatening dribbler at this moment in time in full flow. It'd be accurate to say that he's better at using his pace when he's got the ball, but I don't think he's faster.

Ronaldo is clearly on a different technical level to Bale in my opinion. He's actually got one of the best first touches I've ever seen to be honest, but controlling a football for him is just such a non-issue that it's not really something that comes to mind straight away. Further, he's a better finisher, has better footwork, is better in the build up (and more suited to link up play with other technical players) and better in the air. Aside from that, his positioning and movement (alongside Messi's obviously) is undoubtedly the best in the world.

Still, the best way to see the difference is when you consider the styles of the two players and subsequently realise how similar they are in their style of play. Bale now and Ronaldo 07/08 are both 'Pichichi'-type players, yet statistically Ronaldo back then was twice the Pichichi player that Bale is now. I'm not usually one for statistics, but with Bale and Ronaldo it's actually approriate to discuss them in these terms given that they are both clearly driven by this type of glory. Both players' games suffered to a certain extent in a general sense when they made this switch, yet Ronaldo back then had considerably more to show for it.
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I think that's a very fair post, and perhaps closer to how mine should have looked.

That said, the fact that Ronaldo scored nearly double the goals needs to be analysed further. We won the treble, so I'd guess he played more games. He also took all of our penalties while Spurs didn't get any. I'd say the gap could be a bit less if those factors didn't exist. Not to mention the fact that he was in the best team in Europe, who generally dominated most games.
 
Rozay said:
What has that got to with my post? The irrelevance of your rant leads me to believe it is indeed you who is 'fecking crazy'.
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Did you not read your own post? I was referring to the fact that you said Bale is on the same level as Ronaldo was when he left United. Ronaldo was the best player in the world the year before he left. Bale is not on his level. And what about assists this year? If Bale is so much better a crosser than Ronaldo is then how come he only had 4 assists?
 
Rado_N said:
RVP is a fair debate, but not Suarez, not even nearly.
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For me Spurs were far more reliant on Bale than we were on RvP, so that's why he shades it. In RvP's two month barren spell we still had no problems getting goals and winning games. Spurs often had very mediocre games where they looked incapable of scoring a goal only for Bale to bail (sorry) them out with wonder strikes towards the end of matches.
 
RDCR07 said:
Did you not read your own post? I was referring to the fact that you said Bale is on the same level as Ronaldo was when he left United. Ronaldo was the best player in the world the year before he left. Bale is not on his level. And what about assists this year? If Bale is so much better a crosser than Ronaldo is then how come he only had 4 assists?
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The post you responded to said this:

'All about the player. If the club can afford it, then pay it. If we could afford to pay £94m for a player comfortably, then I'd rather we were spending our money on Bale instead of Zaha, for example - because that's what it simply comes down to in such circumstances, 'Bale or Zaha'?'

I started readin 'I think you're a fecking idiot' and thought you would go on to explain how 'in real life and not FM, money works differently' or something of that sort, yet your post had no relevance to what you were quoting.

Anyway, I get your general gist.
 
Rozay said:
The post you responded to said this:

'All about the player. If the club can afford it, then pay it. If we could afford to pay £94m for a player comfortably, then I'd rather we were spending our money on Bale instead of Zaha, for example - because that's what it simply comes down to in such circumstances, 'Bale or Zaha'?'

I started readin 'I think you're a fecking idiot' and thought you would go on to explain how 'in real life and not FM, money works differently' or something of that sort, yet your post had no relevance to what you were quoting.

Anyway, I get your general gist.
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My bad I'm using my phone and didn't quote the right post. I was talking about this:

Rozay said:
Bale is underrated by many on the caf. He, for me, is on a similar level to Ronaldo before he left us. Ronaldo had some things he was better at, but Bale likewise. With current inflation since we solde Ronaldo for £80m, I'd say Bale is worth at least £80m himself now.
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