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It's hard to say what Bale is really "worth"

There are some fairly average players going for 20 or 30 million these days, so a player of his talent is of course going to be significantly more. And then if he has a long contract at a club that don't financially need to sell, then it's going to take an enormous offer to steal him away.

I wish Madrid hadn't shown an interest, because United's best chance of getting him was if his contract ran down another season he might have been gettable for a somewhat more reasonable 50-60m.
 
Rowem said:
It's hard to say what Bale is really "worth"

There are some fairly average players going for 20 or 30 million these days, so a player of his talent is of course going to be significantly more. And then if he has a long contract at a club that don't financially need to sell, then it's going to take an enormous offer to steal him away.

I wish Madrid hadn't shown an interest, because United's best chance of getting him was if his contract ran down another season he might have been gettable for a somewhat more reasonable 50-60m.
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Personally think that this will make it easier for us to get him, albeit that we'll have to wait a couple of years when Madrid move on to their next shiny new thing. Spurs were never going to sell him directly to us.
 
backofthenet said:
Personally think that this will make it easier for us to get him, albeit that we'll have to wait a couple of years when Madrid move on to their next shiny new thing. Spurs were never going to sell him directly to us.
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Thought you meant Ronaldo until this last sentance :(
 
backofthenet said:
Personally think that this will make it easier for us to get him, albeit that we'll have to wait a couple of years when Madrid move on to their next shiny new thing. Spurs were never going to sell him directly to us.
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I can totally see him coming back to England for around 35 million in a couple of years.
 
I have that feeling too, completely without foundation unless it's a sneaky thought that he'll be another Ian Rush: 'Italy? It was like a foreign country'.
 
I doubt Madrid fans would care much anymore. They are so used to this big and record signings I know more than half the lot here would love to feel the same as well, it's not our money anyway
 
All about the player. If the club can afford it, then pay it. If we could afford to pay £94m for a player comfortably, then I'd rather we were spending our money on Bale instead of Zaha, for example - because that's what it simply comes down to in such circumstances, 'Bale or Zaha'?
 
Anything over £60 million for Bale and the expectations will be too high for him. The fact he could be £14 million more than the next world record, that being the person he would most likely replace, makes it seem the entire weight of the world will be on his shoulders. He's got to be banging in at least 20 to even be considered an ok signing after Ronaldo has come in and tore La Liga a new one.
 
Rozay said:
Bale is underrated by many on the caf. He, for me, is on a similar level to Ronaldo before he left us. Ronaldo had some things he was better at, but Bale likewise. With current inflation since we solde Ronaldo for £80m, I'd say Bale is worth at least £80m himself now.
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Can't agree. He has a similar ability to score spectacular goals but, beyond that, he's a long way off. Technique, productivity, everything...it's a different class of player altogether.


I think with Ronaldo in his last season it's clear that he wasn't that arsed throughout most of it, so the reasonable comparison is 07/08. That Ronaldo was very far ahead of Bale which ever way you want to measure it. I'm always surprised when people talk about Ronaldo's peak now as if there is a great difference between who he is currently and who he was in 07/08 - they're almost the same player give or take some marginal differences.
 
For me, this whole 'Bale scores more spectacular long range goals' isn't much of an advantage when talking about a 95m transfee fee.

I know it's strange, because for that fee you want a spectacular player who can do spectacular stuff - but you can't hit the heights of Messi and Ronaldo by just scoring long range goals. Ronaldo gets in incredible positions, and manages to find space in the box despite teams putting huge efforts into stopping him.

Bale hasn't shown that he has the ability to score 30+ goals, and I don't think he will able to score so many long-range shots as he did in the Premier League at Madrid. Although the defending is more relaxed, and he will probably find more space, I don't think the Madrid players and especially Ronaldo will be willing to encourage him to shoot at every opportunity.

That's if Ronaldo is staying of course.. if he doesn't, Bale will get far more playing time, in his favoured positions, and will get more opportunity to shoot from long-range - but as a result of Ronaldo leaving he will have even more pressure to score at an incredible goal to game ratio, and he just hasn't shown that he can do that.
 
Can't wait to watch Bale try and take a free kick ahead of Ronnie next year. Back in your box boy! :lol:
 
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Levy should be awarded an OBE for his ability to maximise the value of a player and also have the insane ability to buy quality players before anyone cottoned on to the idea they were rich.
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They've done so well this transfer window, if they also get Coentrao, Lamela and Willian, they're by far the club in Europe that have reinforced themselves the most surely?
 
Rozay said:
All about the player. If the club can afford it, then pay it. If we could afford to pay £94m for a player comfortably, then I'd rather we were spending our money on Bale instead of Zaha, for example - because that's what it simply comes down to in such circumstances, 'Bale or Zaha'?
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I think you are fecking crazy. When Ronaldo left us he was the Ballon d'or the year before. Bale is no where close to the best player on the planet or even 2nd best. Bale has been productive these past three seasons but this past season was the first time he proved he can continuously score.
 
KM said:
Hate to agree with Alastair but that's a good point.

Bale at this moment guarantees a goal or assist per game. He probably won't get as much freedom at Madrid as he had at Spurs but he'll play with far better team mates and his output will only increase. Madrid are looking to replace Ronaldo, and there's simply not a better replacement than Bale at the moment.
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A lot of other players put up those numbers as well. Suarez also scored a similar amount of goals and created much more. And carried Liverpool just as much. It's not the idea that bale is a very good footballer that's odd, it's rating him as completely unique that makes no sense.

The Ronaldo bit is a fair point. He is a lot like him although nowhere near as good.
 
KingEric7 said:
Can't agree. He has a similar ability to score spectacular goals but, beyond that, he's a long way off. Technique, productivity, everything...it's a different class of player altogether.


I think with Ronaldo in his last season it's clear that he wasn't that arsed throughout most of it, so the reasonable comparison is 07/08. That Ronaldo was very far ahead of Bale which ever way you want to measure it. I'm always surprised when people talk about Ronaldo's peak now as if there is a great difference between who he is currently and who he was in 07/08 - they're almost the same player give or take some marginal differences.
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I think Ronaldo is more of a physical specimen than he is a technical genius, and technically I don't think he's a different level to Bale at all. He is no Messi/Iniesta in terms of natural grace with the ball.

Physically, they are quite similar, although I would have Bale slightly ahead there. He is faster than Ronnie I'd say.

Bale also has outstanding delivery from wide areas. Other than Beckham, I can't think of many who can whip a ball in with bend and speed like him. Not Ronaldo anyway.

I also think he is better at running with the ball than Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo could/would score the goal Bale scored against us last season for instance. Bale is like an express train with the ball.

Bale is also a better passer of the ball. Be it a big diagonal or one of his outside of the foot through balls. I don't really think Ronaldo is the most creative passer.

For me, Ronaldo has more trickery than Bale, and has more of a nose for goal in the sense that he scores more tap-ins too. I think that bit is largely down to an obsession for personal glory and to be the Pichichi than anything else. Other than that, I don't see much between them.
 
RDCR07 said:
I think you are fecking crazy. When Ronaldo left us he was the Ballon d'or the year before. Bale is no where close to the best player on the planet or even 2nd best. Bale has been productive these past three seasons but this past season was the first time he proved he can continuously score.
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What has that got to with my post? The irrelevance of your rant leads me to believe it is indeed you who is 'fecking crazy'.
 
Rozay said:
I think Ronaldo is more of a physical specimen than he is a technical genius, and technically I don't think he's a different level to Bale at all. He is no Messi/Iniesta in terms of natural grace with the ball.

Physically, they are quite similar, although I would have Bale slightly ahead there. He is faster than Ronnie I'd say.

Bale also has outstanding delivery from wide areas. Other than Beckham, I can't think of many who can whip a ball in with bend and speed like him. Not Ronaldo anyway.

I also think he is better at running with the ball than Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo could/would score the goal Bale scored against us last season for instance. Bale is like an express train with the ball.

Bale is also a better passer of the ball. Be it a big diagonal or one of his outside of the foot through balls. I don't really think Ronaldo is the most creative passer.

For me, Ronaldo has more trickery than Bale, and has more of a nose for goal in the sense that he scores more tap-ins too. I think that bit is largely down to an obsession for personal glory and to be the Pichichi than anything else. Other than that, I don't see much between them.
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This one is wrong. Ronaldo is a brilliant and very creative passer of the ball. He's got more in that category than Bale.

Also much of the rest of the post is wrong, but I'm sure others will call you on that.
 
I didn't expect many to agree. I reckon more people would have if we signed Bale though.

Bale being faster than Ronaldo. Bale being a better crosser. Hardly shocking claims in my view.
 
Rozay said:
I didn't expect many to agree. I reckon more people would have if we signed Bale though.

Bale being faster than Ronaldo. Bale being a better crosser. Hardly shocking claims in my view.
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He's definitely not faster than him, and neither cross the ball much anymore so that's hard to tell (Ronaldo back in 06/07 was unbelievable at crossing), Ronaldo is also the more creative passer of the two.

You're making it sound like there's little between them when in reality, there's a pretty massive gulf.
 
Lol, they are not 'physically similar', come on mate. Ronaldo is on a different planet to almost every footballer in the world in that regard. Bale won't be as good as Ronaldo or Messi, who were the best players in the world at 24. Bale is among the top 10 but it's extremely unlikely he will ever be the best.
 
Rozay said:
I think Ronaldo is more of a physical specimen than he is a technical genius, and technically I don't think he's a different level to Bale at all. He is no Messi/Iniesta in terms of natural grace with the ball.

Physically, they are quite similar, although I would have Bale slightly ahead there. He is faster than Ronnie I'd say.

Bale also has outstanding delivery from wide areas. Other than Beckham, I can't think of many who can whip a ball in with bend and speed like him. Not Ronaldo anyway.

I also think he is better at running with the ball than Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo could/would score the goal Bale scored against us last season for instance. Bale is like an express train with the ball.

Bale is also a better passer of the ball. Be it a big diagonal or one of his outside of the foot through balls. I don't really think Ronaldo is the most creative passer.

For me, Ronaldo has more trickery than Bale, and has more of a nose for goal in the sense that he scores more tap-ins too. I think that bit is largely down to an obsession for personal glory and to be the Pichichi than anything else. Other than that, I don't see much between them.
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Its accepted the world over that Ronaldo is better than Bale. If you can't recognise that, well....
 
He's not just better than him, he's far, far better than him. Compare Ronaldo at 24 to Bale at 24, he'll never be as good as him.
 
Cina said:
He's definitely not faster than him, and neither cross the ball much anymore so that's hard to tell (Ronaldo back in 06/07 was unbelievable at crossing), Ronaldo is also the more creative passer of the two.

You're making it sound like there's little between them when in reality, there's a pretty massive gulf.
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I'm not having 'neither cross the ball much'. Bale is clearly better at it, regardless of how often they do it. Well, in my view anyway.

And you're opinion is fair. Mine is that Bale reached a level this season that was close, very close, to Ronaldo when he was here. Also, Spurs didn't get a single penalty all season. If they got a few, and Bale took them (like Ronaldo too all of ours), then I imagine he would have broke 30 goals.

I think the huge difference between them now is goals, and that Ronaldo has more trickery.
 
That post is insane, if someone read that with no knowledge of football they'd assume Bale was the superstar with Ronaldo the pretender.
 
Rozay said:
Bale being faster than Ronaldo. Bale being a better crosser. Hardly shocking claims in my view.
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Not true:

From Daily Mail- "Both players have a frightening turn of pace, as Bale demonstrated with his second goal on Saturday. Last season, his top speed was measured at 22 miles per hour.

Ronaldo, however, last year ran 96 metres in 10 seconds in a game against Atletico Madrid and his top speed was clocked at a frightening 24.38mph. To put this in a bit of context, Usain Bolt ran his 100 metres world record at 27mph."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...stiano-Ronaldo-v-Gareth-Bale--comparison.html

Ronaldo was only 2mph slower than Usain fecking Bolt. His acceleration is better too. Only thing Bale beats him on then would be crossing, and that he doesn't even do much anymore.
 
Rozay said:
I'm not having 'neither cross the ball much'. Bale is clearly better at it, regardless of how often they do it. Well, in my view anyway.

And you're opinion is fair. Mine is that Bale reached a level this season that was close, very close, to Ronaldo when he was here. Also, Spurs didn't get a single penalty all season. If they got a few, and Bale took them (like Ronaldo too all of ours), then I imagine he would have broke 30 goals.

I think the huge difference between them now is goals, and that Ronaldo has more trickery.
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Ronaldo in 07/08 was the best player in the world, Bale has been probably somewhere between 6th and 9th.
 
You aren't actually allowed to say that Bale is faster, a better crosser and a better passer than Ronaldo, and the only thing Ronaldo has over Bale is "trickery" and "scores more tap ins".
 
I can barely even remember a pass from Bale last season, the little dink for Vertonghen's goal is about it, I'm sure there were more but that's all that sticks out.
 
pocco said:
Its accepted the world over that Ronaldo is better than Bale. If you can't recognise that, well....
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I think is too.

Also, I've watched more than enough of both players to form my own judgement. These 'world over' views are often formed by various factors. For instance, if Gareth Bale did EXACTLY what he did in a white shirt last season in a United one, he'd be rated higher.

I think Ronaldo is better, but I think their level is similar. Considering their respective ages, it wouldn't be a straightforward choice for me personally if I had to choose between them for United this summer.
 
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