It's clear as day neither Fergie, Gill nor Charlton wanted Maureen to take over United. They all wanted someone who would carry on Fergie's legacy and the club's traditions. I don't think personal dislike came into it at all: Fergie and Maureen get on well - and even Charlton's comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. It's very simple: Maureen is a great manager, but he was NOT the right man for the United job. And our senior figures, including Fergie himself, not least, realized this a long time ago.
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It's clear as day neither Fergie, Gill nor Charlton wanted Maureen to take over United. They all wanted someone who would carry on Fergie's legacy and the club's traditions. I don't think personal dislike came into it at all: Fergie and Maureen get on well - and even Charlton's comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. It's very simple: Maureen is a great manager, but he was NOT the right man for the United job. And our senior figures, including Fergie himself, not least, realized this a long time ago.
Ay, I doubt a spurs fan would know much about tradition. It's abit of a bland club isn't it?
Is what you said. Since the rumours about 6x £20m instalments, you now think the problem is RM's cashflow and since AVB's comments last night after Bale was sorely missed, you now believe that he won't be sold.
Bold statements, but if he goes, it wouldn't be the first time that your rather thick skin takes a beating.
Spot on. His club jumping was not something United would have ever entertained.
Glaston is trying to deflect attention from his stupid statements made before Madrid came in big and Bale wanted Madrid talks plus refused to play in their nothing friendly, and he is succeeding. Nicely derailed, respect.
I dunno, they're getting a good one going where they sell all their good players.
There's nothing in my earlier post that contradicts my saying that I don't think Bale will be sold. I merely said that IF RM were to offer £90m + Coentrao then I'd imagine Levy would accept. But the point here is that, as I've said before, that I don't think RM will make such an offer, not least (but not only) because I don't think they have the cash.
My view that Bale won't be sold long pre-dates any bollocks about instalments and long pre-dates AVB's recent comments. And in any case, it's always been obvious, without even needing to state it, that Spurs would never accept selling Bale on a 'never-never' instalment basis ... especially when RM still owe us money on the Modric deal.
We will all watch with interest, I am sure. But I seem to recall similar things about Modric and Berbatov not being sold. That wouldn't have been you, would it?
Do you still think Bale will sign a new contract?
Before Madrid came in big? You should get with the programme: they've not come in with anything except a lot of nonsense from Marca (and a request for "talks" in which Spurs told them Bale isn't for sale). And the reason is that they just don't have the dosh required. Simple as that.
Bale definitely won't move this summer...
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We will all watch with interest, I am sure. But I seem to recall similar things about Modric and Berbatov not being sold. That wouldn't have been you, would it?
No, that wouldn't be me. I correctly predicted in both cases when they would be sold, when they would not be sold and to which club they would not be sold. And despite all the flak I took at the time(s), I was proved right and in fact won several bets on here about it.
Yep.
Sheer delusion.
I remember the Modric to Chelsea thing, but I don't think you have been as accurate as your self-righteous brain thinks. I am far too idle to search, but really, if you are as knowledgeable as you say, you are wasted as the canon fodder of football forums. With those powers of prediction, you should take up gambling professionally.
Me, I am shite at predicting, but I think you will struggle to keep hold of Bale. Personally, I would love to see RM with egg on their face but Levy is just plain horrible.
If Madrid had so much money after throwing 71M€ (Carjaval, Casimero, Isco and Illaramendi), Bale would already be in Madrid. It does not seem surprising that they also had to sell for around 71M€ (Pedro Leon, Callejon, Albiol and Higuain) while getting rid of Carvalho and the loanee Essien. They're also pushing Pepe, Arbeloa, Coentrao and Di Maria and out it seems. Don't they already owe around 590M€ and caught the attention of the European Commission for all of their shaddy financing ? Where would the added 100M€ for Bale come from ? If, a big if, they're negotiating for installments over 6 years it confirms how fuc*** they are financially, which would put Tottenham in total control of any negotiation. They already brought Carjaval and Illaramendi with huge installments payments...
Wrong thread: try the one for Fabregas.
There is no question they have one very large credit card, but I believe they are underwritten by the tax payer. Feel free to correct me anybody.
Do you think our offer of £3.5m over ten years is unreasonable?
He won't sign a new contract with you guys, man.
You must be the eternal optimist if you think so.
I'm stumped for a suitable reply.
Bale not for sale
Glaston I've got a question for you. Do you genuinely believe that a player of Bale's caliber will spend his whole career at a club like Spurs?
I'm not trying to belittle Spurs here either but you can't think that surely?
I'm not trying to belittle Spurs here either but you can't think that surely?
No, not unless we start regularly playing in the CL and challenge well in that.
Do you think your wage structure could afford to keep him?
He wouldn't and didn't, you fool.
Fair enough.
I'm sure we could make an exception ... and the hypothetical circumstances of regular CL income would make a big difference.
What would you estimate the Spurs' current wage ceiling to be?
Around 80k per week.
So in other words, he is already vastly underpaid, considering his worth to the club?
To get him to sign another contract, Spurs would have to at least double that figure, more like two and a half times, I would imagine.
Must say - looks to me like RM trying to unsettle the player via the press. Quite true that Real do not have this kind of money and any attempt they make would have to be heavily based on future payments... payments they will quite possibly default on.
Not good stuff. Fully hope he stays at Spurs.
What's happening in La Liga is a bit depressing in general. At least in the PL, the non-CL clubs still have decent revenue streams and some chance of keeping their players. In La Liga, virtually all the major players outside of the top 2 clubs have moved on because their clubs need the money - this summer Isco, Soldado, Illaramendi, Negredo. Now Barca and Real's second XIs are the third and fourth best teams in Spain.
The same thing is happening to some extent in the rest of Europe but at least the TV money in the premier league means other clubs have a chance to strengthen and at least take a view on keeping their best players in the face of big bids as they aren't financially stricken.
Not good stuff. Fully hope he stays at Spurs.
What's happening in La Liga is a bit depressing in general. At least in the PL, the non-CL clubs still have decent revenue streams and some chance of keeping their players. In La Liga, virtually all the major players outside of the top 2 clubs have moved on because their clubs need the money - this summer Isco, Soldado, Illaramendi, Negredo. Now Barca and Real's second XIs are the third and fourth best teams in Spain.
The same thing is happening to some extent in the rest of Europe but at least the TV money in the premier league means other clubs have a chance to strengthen and at least take a view on keeping their best players in the face of big bids as they aren't financially stricken.
The top clubs in England have fallen behind though, because of this.
No idea how you assume AVB is spineless. At Chelsea he had the balls to try his own things, dropping the undroppables, making Alex and Anelka train with the reserves. Please explain why you think he is spineless.
That's not the reason, or at least not the major reason. English clubs are competing fine financially but in the last few years have not achieved the levels of Barca, Bayern and RM especially. The biggest reason for this is there is not enough local talent. The really great teams have a significant portion of players they do not have to pay anything for... see plenty at Barca and Bayern for starters and these are the two best teams. City have all the money in the world but they probably can't attract the really big players due to a lack of prestige and the fact that they are often trying to bring (for example) Spanish players in. If a bigger portion of the world's best players were British this would not be such a problem. Normally the very best players in a country will stay in their home league for most of their careers. City couldn't get Isco, noone could persuade Lewandowski away once he knew Bayern was an option, Gotze has chosen Bayern ahead of other European clubs, Inter couldn't get Scholes or Giggs etc.
"Please explain" sounds like I am back at school.
I did write that he gives me the "impression" of being spineless. He fancied himself as the new messiah in football management, but didn't have the danglies to carry it off, despite the large quiff and trench coat. He managed to lose the Chelsea dressing room and had nothing in his armoury to reverse the same. He left Chelsea in tears when he really needed to man up and sort out some of the queens, like Terry. He left Chelsea with his tail between his legs.
Spineless does not mean he isn't arrogant..... I am sure he is a right cock when he wants to be. Yes indeed, he dropped the shite, rubbed players up the wrong way and tried to assert his authority. But, there is always a backlash when you become autocratic and if you haven't got the acumen to see it through, you are going to lose.
I was going to give you this as my reply, but I would again get accused of not answering the questions of others. I tend to want to talk about United and not entertain foreigners like yourself, but just sometimes Glaston annoys me enough to call him a numpty. Enjoy:
http://www.thedailytackle.com/2012/07/andre-villas-boas-bullied-at-chelsea.html
"Please explain" sounds like I am back at school.
I did write that he gives me the "impression" of being spineless. He fancied himself as the new messiah in football management, but didn't have the danglies to carry it off, despite the large quiff and trench coat. He managed to lose the Chelsea dressing room and had nothing in his armoury to reverse the same. He left Chelsea in tears when he really needed to man up and sort out some of the queens, like Terry. He left Chelsea with his tail between his legs.
Spineless does not mean he isn't arrogant..... I am sure he is a right cock when he wants to be. Yes indeed, he dropped the shite, rubbed players up the wrong way and tried to assert his authority. But, there is always a backlash when you become autocratic and if you haven't got the acumen to see it through, you are going to lose.
I was going to give you this as my reply, but I would again get accused of not answering the questions of others. I tend to want to talk about United and not entertain foreigners like yourself, but just sometimes Glaston annoys me enough to call him a numpty. Enjoy:
http://www.thedailytackle.com/2012/07/andre-villas-boas-bullied-at-chelsea.html
None of that means he is spineless. It's problems within the club that led to AVB's demise, not a lack of courage or anything on his part. Plenty of managers, more experience than him have been destroyed by the Chelsea dressing room and boardroom. He lost the dressing room because of the fact he wasn't spineless and had a backbone, utilising his own ideas when the senior players were against them.
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