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That shirt sales thing is a load of bollocks... The most prominent shirt I see is Manchester United's, does that mean we've £700 billion to spend this summer?

I also fail to see how they estimate a specific name on a shirt sales.


I'm pretty sure (via arguments over shirt boycotts years ago) that we don't actually make money off individual shirt sales. We've got a contract with Nike for a certain amount, and we just barter for a larger one when that expires depending on the sales. The actual yearly sales go to Nike.

This may have changed, but it was certainly the case at one point.
 
That shirt sales thing is a load of bollocks... The most prominent shirt I see is Manchester United's, does that mean we've £700 billion to spend this summer?

I also fail to see how they estimate a specific name on a shirt sales.

Me too :lol:

How much the magic beans? I'm easily led into believing a stranger on the net too

First come, first serve.... apologies ^^
 
If Barca made 57m on Neymar shirts since he signed, they must have made approximately 5bn on Messi shirts in the last 5 or so years. Seems reasonable.
 
If Barca made 57m on Neymar shirts since he signed, they must have made approximately 5bn on Messi shirts in the last 5 or so years. Seems reasonable.

Obviously you're joking and all, and this whole thing is nonsense, but it's worth noting that since Beckham retired, Neymar is now the worlds most marketable footballer (feck knows why), ahead of Messi & Ronaldo.
 
Obviously you're joking and all, and this whole thing is nonsense, but it's worth noting that since Beckham retired, Neymar is now the worlds most marketable footballer (feck knows why), ahead of Messi & Ronaldo.
How is this even possible? He's barely known in Europe for people who don't follow football closely, everyone knows who Messi and Ronaldo are. My grandmother who's 89 knows who Messi is (the other one who's 78 knows who Neymar is but she also watches pretty much every football game on the telly).
 
How is this even possible? He's barely known outside Europe for people who don't follow football closely, everyone knows who Messi and Ronaldo are. My grandmother who's 89 knows who Messi is (the other one who's 78 knows who Neymar is but she also watches pretty much every football game on the telly).

I'm guessing you didn't mean this because it doesn't make any sense!
 
With the Zidane money, Juve signed Buffon, Thuram and Nedved and they have won everything for years.
 



Wouldn't surprise me really. Easily the shirt I've seen the most since May, which tells you how many fan boys there are out there

Was just in Barcelona for a week and was surprised by how much Neymar kits outnumbered everything else from Barcelona - strange

€120 million though, insane
 
There's no way that's true. Factor in price they sell them to retailers at, manufacturing/distribution etc. and they'd need to have sold the guts of 2m official shirts with Neymar on the back already.

It's just more P.R. bollocks.
 
I have seen videos on youtube of Neymar on lots of TV shows messing about and being a 'celebrity' more than a footballer. I'd have thought that is why he's incredibly marketable, as he is most likely one of South Americas biggest celebrities aswell as footballers.
 
There's no way that's true. Factor in price they sell them to retailers at, manufacturing/distribution etc. and they'd need to have sold the guts of 2m official shirts with Neymar on the back already.

It's just more P.R. bollocks.


I'd guess more like 5m shirts - I would be surprised if they made more than £10 margin per shirt.

Moreover, whatever they got isn't all incremental revenue or margin - a bunch of people would have bought a Xavi or Messi shirt if there wasn't the choice of a Neymar one. I'd be surprised if they had made even £1m incremental margin.
 
Wouldn't surprise me really. Easily the shirt I've seen the most since May, which tells you how many fan boys there are out there

Was just in Barcelona for a week and was surprised by how much Neymar kits outnumbered everything else from Barcelona - strange

€120 million though, insane
Nah, there's no way that's true.

As for bale, I think ancelotti has confirmed they are in talks so he's as good as gone. Madrid tend to get their man whether the deal makes sense or not.
 
That 57m is probably like when a film says it's "made" $800m or something......whereas it's usually half that, if not less, production bugets and everything. At the end of the day, Barcelona were probably gonna make like $40m of that $57m irrelevant of Naymar people just would of picked different names on their shirts. He's not Beckham......yet. Barcelona shirts have always been a brand shirt.
 
Even clothing companies would struggle to make 120 million in shirt sales over 2 months.
 
Wouldn't surprise me really. Easily the shirt I've seen the most since May, which tells you how many fan boys there are out there

It wouldnt surprise you that a business with a yearly commercial revenue including ALL commercial sponsorship of 190 million euros has turned over an additional 57 million euros, or an increase of a 5 year average of nearly 30% , inside a month.

really.
 
Imagine the total revenue of the clubs, if that was true. Barca had a commercial revenue of €186.9m in 11/12. That includes all sponsorshipdeals as well as other things. I highly doubt that the club makes even close to 50m a year with all shirt sales, let alone 57m in a few weeks for one new player. And I higly doubt that Bale will sell as many shirts as Neymar.

Really when put it like that it makes even clearer that the 57 millions fee mentioned is all bullshit.
 
It wouldnt surprise you that a business with a yearly commercial revenue including ALL commercial sponsorship of 190 million euros has turned over an additional 57 million euros, or an increase of a 5 year average of nearly 30% , inside a month.

really.


RM claim Becks sold upwards of a million shirts in his first 6 months, so yeah, really
 
Performed outstandingly in a top European League at 19, while being contracted to a European super power for many years to come.

+ Captaining the french U 21 team to a World Cup while becoming the tournament's best player. When you see how much a player like Illaramendi went for and that Pogba is comfortably better than him and the market seemingly gone crazy it's no wonder really.
 
RM claim Becks sold upwards of a million shirts in his first 6 months, so yeah, really


So say Neymar is as popular as Beckham. That means they have to make around €57 quid on every shirt, presuming every one of those shirt sales can be attributed to Neymar directly by, I presume, shirt names and numbers.

It's not realistic.
 
Tbf at the end of the day, if it was so easy for the biggest clubs to make the money back than surely we'd see massive transfers more often. All the clubs will have class financial analysts, if a club could make it back that quick they would force the price up.
 
So say Neymar is as popular as Beckham. That means they have to make around €57 quid on every shirt, presuming every one of those shirt sales can be attributed to Neymar directly by, I presume, shirt names and numbers.

It's not realistic.


Just saying it wouldn't surprise me. Becks was the marketable footballing commodity in his day, now it's Neymar. All the kits I saw in the Barcelona botiga were €100 and considering it probably costs no more than €10 per shirt to make them, it wouldn't surprise me.

What does surprise me is that Neymar is the one selling those shirts. I like the player but I don't get the fascination with him to need to have his shirt
 
RM are now offering 100 million Ronaldo shirts at factory price in exchange for Bale.

However, the main sticking point is that Levy wants each shirt to be individually signed.
 
Neymar isn't marketable in the same way beckham was. And even beckham wouldn't hit those figures.
 
RM claim Becks sold upwards of a million shirts in his first 6 months, so yeah, really

OK, for the sake of the argument let´s say Neymar is as popular as Beckham back then and that the latter actually sold one mil. kits.

The Neymar transfer was completed in the beginning of june, so roughly two months ago. These two months are the time frame, which we are looking at for the kit sales of Neymar, so a third of the time of your example of Beckham.

The kit of Neymar costs 100 € in the official Barca shop, which is probably the place, where Barcelona keeps the most of the of the price for themselves. Let´s say, they keep 75 % of it (it is probably way less, but w/e). For them to generate 57 mil. € with his kit sales alone, they would have to sell 560k kits, which is comfortably more than Beckham did in his first two months and roughly half the amount of all kits Barcelona sold in the whole 2010/2011 season. Sounds believable, right?

Looking at it from a different perspective, it becomes even clearer, how laughably high this suppossed numbers are.

It was already said in this thread that Barcelona generated roughly 190 Mil € in the commercial field in 2011/2012.

The commercial field includes money from the following things:

- kit supplier and main sponsor (ca. 60 Mil €)
- other sponsorship deals
- every single commercial in any media (press, tv, radio, internet)
- kit sales
- merchandise sales (general clothing, boots, accessories, homeware, etc., etc., etc...)

All of that together generated them roughly three times as much as Neymar´s cost in a whole season. How in the world are kit sales of a single player supposed to cover a third of all that annual stuff in the sixth of the time???

It baffles me, how anyone believes something like that?
 
Even more importantly Bale won't be selling Neymar shirts. So lets get back to the (or lack of) business regarding Bale.
 
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