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Ramshock said:
Could we seriously bid 85 million for a player? I think this RM bid, if true, makes a mockery out of our we can compete with anyone and there is no budget rhetoric. I bet we can't bid on a player like this. I dont think Bale is worth half that price tag btw.
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I don't think it's the money that is the issue; it's the quality of player. If Messi was available for 85 million, I bet we would pay it in a heartbeat.

The likes of Bale for 85m is absurd and we shouldn't and wouldn't ever go to that level for a player of his calibre.
 
Fortitude said:
I don't think it's the money that is the issue; it's the quality of player. If Messi was available for 85 million, I bet we would pay it in a heartbeat.

The likes of Bale for 85m is absurd and we shouldn't and wouldn't ever go to that level for a player of his calibre.
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The problem is, if Messi was available, the sugar daddy clubs (Madrid would probably have a go as well) would bid 150 million or something crazy like that and we wouldn't and shouldn't compete. And you can't blame them for bidding or Barca for demanding that. "If Bale went for 85 million...", if Carroll went for 35 million...", "if falcao, torres or cavani went for 50 million plus..." are the references for them.

The prices are set by the market, and that's how much their worth is in 2013, end of.
 
Kevin said:
The problem is, if Messi was available, the sugar daddy clubs (Madrid would probably have a go as well) would bid 150 million or something crazy like that and we wouldn't and shouldn't compete. And you can't blame them or Barca for demanding that. "If Bale went for 85 million...", if Carroll went for 35 million...", "if falcao, torres or cavani went for 50 million plus..." are the references for them.

The prices are set by the market, and that's how much their worth is in 2013, end of.
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I was more responding to the question of if we would/could bid 85m on a player. I think we would for the right one. There's no doubt we cannot win any kind of bidding war against bankrolled teams, but I'm sure we can put together a relatively astronomical package (compared to our own record fee of £30m or so) for the right player(s) that only doped teams could top.
 
Fortitude said:
I don't think it's the money that is the issue; it's the quality of player. If Messi was available for 85 million, I bet we would pay it in a heartbeat.

The likes of Bale for 85m is absurd and we shouldn't and wouldn't ever go to that level for a player of his calibre.
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It's absurd only because we can't justify spending that much money on a player of Bale's quality, Madrid can. And they do that because, as in their previous big deals, they are confident that though they are spending too much right now they will be able to make all that up by keeping their revenues sky high. It works for them that's why they are able to compete and buy these players. As a result they have also managed to create an allure which makes the best players in the world think that they have to play for Madrid and instantly gives them an advantage when they are in for a player. They have the highest revenues in the world at a time when they have been overshadowed domestically by Barcelona for a long time and haven't won in Europe for over a decade.
 
Kevin said:
The problem is, if Messi was available, the sugar daddy clubs (Madrid would probably have a go as well) would bid 150 million or something crazy like that and we wouldn't and shouldn't compete. And you can't blame them for bidding or Barca for demanding that. "If Bale went for 85 million...", if Carroll went for 35 million...", "if falcao, torres or cavani went for 50 million plus..." are the references for them.

The prices are set by the market, and that's how much their worth is in 2013, end of.
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Yeah, as much as I disagree with some of the transfer fees kicking around, its hard to disagree that that is just the way it is, and it doesnt look like slowing down either.
 
Still can't get my head around that sum. 85 million pounds...for Gareth Bale. This transfer window is worse than any before when it comes to transfer fees.
 
KM said:
I'm not sure if Spurs will spend all of the 85m they'll get on Bale and I think Soldado's money is coming from that deal.

They want a new stadium and until they get a sugar daddy, I can't see them paying for it.
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Of course they won't spend the whole sum. They might spend extra £40m or £50m at a push in this window to buy 2-3 players but that's about it. With the crazy prices this Summer they shouldn't either, it took Napoli £33m to replace Cavani for whom they got £52m with a vastly inferior (IMO) player.
 
Bale is not worth that much, he is a good PL player but i can see him coming up short in the Spanish league.

With the pressure of being the most expensive player and the fact his game based on explosive pace rather slow ticky tacky stuff this will end up in tears.

We should be able to get in a couple of years for around £40m.
 
Bestie07 said:
It's absurd only because we can't justify spending that much money on a player of Bale's quality, Madrid can. And they do that because, as in their previous big deals, they are confident that though they are spending too much right now they will be able to make all that up by keeping their revenues sky high. It works for them that's why they are able to compete and buy these players. As a result they have also managed to create an allure which makes the best players in the world think that they have to play for Madrid and instantly gives them an advantage when they are in for a player. They have the highest revenues in the world at a time when they have been overshadowed domestically by Barcelona for a long time and haven't won in Europe for over a decade.
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It's absurd because Bale is nowhere near that class of player. Messi, C.Ronaldo and the like should be the only players mentioned in the same breath as breaking world record transfer fees, not Gareth Bale and his mediocre season - by the standards set by the aforementioned two.

Perez and his pissing contest is a world unto itself, to be honest. He is the master muppet.
 
KM said:
He sure doesn't spend like a sugar daddy then.
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He's not much interested in football and lives in the US/Patagonia. He'd sell up but Levy keeps telling him he'll make more money in the long run.
 
I agree that Bale isn't worth £85million, but only half of that is for Gareth Bale. The other half is to butter up Daniel Levy. The Levy Tax. Any player who leaves Spurs against the will of Spurs, the chasing club has to pay the Levy Tax. If for whatever reason Aaron Lennon gets courted by Chelsea, that's £35million cash upfront right there. 100% Levy Tax on all valued commodities. Double down, or no deal.
 
fecking Zizou can't keep his gob shut, the little tap up merchant. The lot of them.

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8848647/Free-The-Spurs-One-Free-The-Spurs-One
Zidane won't give up on Bale

The Spanish giants are ready to break the world-record transfer fee for Spurs' Welsh winger.
Real are already understood to have tabled an £85million offer for Bale and could go even higher, although White Hart Lane chairman Daniel Levy appears determined to hang onto his star man.
However, Real legend and director of football Zidane believes unsettled Bale should be given the opportunity to discuss a possible move.

Speaking from the US, where Real are preparing for Friday's friendly against Los Angeles Galaxy, Zidane said: "If he's expressed a desire to join Madrid, then Tottenham should give him permission to speak with us.
"The chance to play for Real Madrid might only come around once in a player's lifetime - and it's understandable Gareth doesn't want to miss out on it."
Bale is due to report back at Tottenham on Wednesday, although a muscle injury means he is unlikely to train and will probably not be involved in the weekend friendly against Monaco.
The 24-year-old is said to be frustrated by Levy's stance on the pursuit by Real, and Zidane added: "It's not unusual when a player knows that Real Madrid are interested in them, that they get excited.
"There is nothing more prestigious for a player to wear than the white of Real Madrid."
'Modern football'

Carlo Ancelotti's side have already spent an estimated €70million (£61million) this summer signing Isco, Asier Illarramendi, Dani Carvajal and Casemiro, but Zidane says the club is not put off by the numbers involved in any possible deal for Bale.
"This is modern football. You have to pay to get the best players in Europe," said the Frenchman.
"Last season, Gareth was on the same level as Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. The best players can have not so great games but change a game with a moment of brilliance.
"Those are the sort of players that win you Champions League and league titles."
Zidane also believes Bale can improve his game at the Bernabeu.
"He is already one of the finest players in Europe and he has everything needed to become the best player in the world," he added.
"It's a bit of a cliche but it's true - you become a better player playing with better players."
Meanwhile, Sergio Ramos has adopted a more ambiguous tone with regards to the possibility of Real signing Bale.
"I think that the price of the player is dictated by the market," said Ramos.
"It's not my job to decide whether we should sign Bale or someone else. It's important for Madrid to have a large number of young players and Spanish players in the team. The mix of youth and experience makes for a good project. The president and the other directors will decide whether or not we sign Bale, not me."
 
Is it true that Real still owe Spurs £33M for Modric?
If that is the case, would they be in any rush to extend that credit so massively?
Maybe a cash offer could tempt them, from someone else though, not us, because it would have to be closer to Real's offer than we would go.
 
How stupid is our Gareth Fail thread looking now... :o

I agree with those who say he's not worth 85m. He's good, for sure, but there is also a chance he won't fit in. If you look at what Ronaldo can do with the ball I can promise you Bale is not able to do the same sort of thing. He's good at shooting and running. What if he end up looking like an idiot in la-liga? He could end up looking like he did before his break-through. An honest valuation of Bale (including Levy-tax) would be £55-60m
 
I can't believe it's being called the Levy Tax, when Levy Levy was sitting there just waiting to be picked up.
 
It's gone beyond parody when Madrid really want a player. They wheel out every employee down to the tea lady to make statements of how good that player would be for Madrid and how the mean club who own the player are holding him hostage.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
It's gone beyond parody when Madrid really want a player. They wheel out every employee down to the tea lady to make statements of how good that player would be for Madrid and how the mean club who own the player are holding him hostage.
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Us, Spurs and every other club don't actually own any players. Madrid own everyone and merely loan them out, ready to take them back when they see fit.
 
Erm, Porto doesn't want to sell Jackson Martinez yet the later has openly allowed his agents to negotiate with Napoli, and Napoli president hasn't kept his mouth shut about wanting the player. It's not just Real Madrid that does it, it looks that apart from the English not many people in European football still expect the tapping up rules to be taken seriously.
 
Arruda said:
Erm, Porto doesn't want to sell Jackson Martinez yet the later has openly allowed his agents to negotiate with Napoli, and Napoli president hasn't kept his mouth shut about wanting the player. It's not just Real Madrid that does it, it looks that apart from the English not many people in European football still expect the tapping up rules to be taken seriously.
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Yep, it's beyond ridiculous.

Moyes: I don't want to talk about players at other clubs.

Zidane/Casillas/Marca/Perez/Ramos/Tea lady/Janitor/Groundsman: Bale is the bestest in the world and should come to the bestest club in the world. Ta.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Did any of the said players have offers from teams competing in the Champions League?
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Well, Vertonghen says he turned down Arsenal .... but this "offers from teams competing in the Champions League" business doesn't really matter. And it doesn't really matter because the fact is that Spurs have been able to sign players of the calibre I've listed (and were able to sign such players before that - e.g. Modric, VdV, Berbatov etc). So doubtless we'll continue to be able to identify and sign such players ... especially if we have a hypothetical £85+m available to spend.

It's simply wishful thinking to imagine that somehow, mysteriously and suddenly, Spurs won't continue to be able to attract quality players.

Too many Caftards are obsessed with supposed 'CL quality players' .... usually defined as players who already play for CL teams and/or players who could be available for big bucks. But there are plenty of very good players out there who don't play for CL teams and who don't have to cost vast sums of money.

A small illustration of the above: you have huge threads about Alcantara and Fabregas, even though neither has come to you, whilst Spurs go ahead and sign Paulinho.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Well, Vertonghen says he turned down Arsenal .... but this "offers from teams competing in the Champions League" business doesn't really matter. And it doesn't really matter because the fact is that Spurs have been able to sign players of the calibre I've listed (and were able to sign such players before that - e.g. Modric, VdV, Berbatov etc). So doubtless we'll continue to be able to identify and sign such players ... especially if we have a hypothetical £85+m available to spend.

It's simply wishful thinking to imagine that somehow, mysteriously and suddenly, Spurs won't continue to be able to attract quality players.

Too many Caftards are obsessed with supposed 'CL quality players' .... usually defined as players who already play for CL teams and/or players who could be available for big bucks. But there are plenty of very good players out there who don't play for CL teams and who don't have to cost vast sums of money.

A small illustration of the above: you have huge threads about Alcantara and Fabregas, even though neither has come to you, whilst Spurs go ahead and sign Paulinho.
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What an earth has Paulinho got to do with Alcantara and Fabregas?
 
Sarni said:
They're all talented players but none of them were really top class when they joined you (except maybe Lloris) ...
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This is precisely the point: Spurs have often been able to identify and sign talented players who then blossom further when they join us. There's no reason to suppose that this process is suddenly going to stop if Bale is sold.
 
Ish84045 said:
Yep, it's beyond ridiculous.

Moyes: I don't want to talk about players at other clubs.

Zidane/Casillas/Marca/Perez/Ramos/Tea lady/Janitor/Groundsman: Bale is the bestest in the world and should come to the bestest club in the world. Ta.
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Moyes (one week later): We've bid for Fabregas.

Your point?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Too many Caftards are obsessed with supposed 'CL quality players' .... usually defined as players who already play for CL teams and/or players who could be available for big bucks. But there are plenty of very good players out there who don't play for CL teams and who don't have to cost vast sums of money.

A small illustration of the above: you have huge threads about Alcantara and Fabregas, even though neither has come to you, whilst Spurs go ahead and sign Paulinho.
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You realise caftards aren't in charge of who United tries to sign, right?

Plus it only makes sense that we try to sign better players than Spurs, since we're a better club than Spurs. We obviously also mix it up with promising little-knowns when they look right. Evra, Vidic, Hernandez etc.
 
Ish84045 said:
He didn't speak about the player though, did he? Admitting we bid for someone isn't exactly the same as saying "ooh player x sooo good, he belongs at United"...
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:confused: Your quote from Moyes was as if to say he never speaks about opposition players, that's exactly what he retracted on later by saying we bid for Fabregas, twice.
 
Glaston, why are you speaking of Paulinho like he is a PL great? He may be a giant flop yet, so before you throw his name around as great transfer business, I would at least see how he gets on.
 
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