This. Zidane is repeatedly and shamelessly doing it of his own accord. Scholes was asked in an interview (which really shouldn't have involved that sort of question in the first place), and answered briefly and honestly. World of difference.
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This. Zidane is repeatedly and shamelessly doing it of his own accord. Scholes was asked in an interview (which really shouldn't have involved that sort of question in the first place), and answered briefly and honestly. World of difference.
What the feck? You think Zidane asks for a press conference to talk about other players? Don't you think he's just responding to reporters that ask him about the matter?
I honestly don't see the 'world of difference' here, but it's probably just me.
Tapping up players is pretty much what Zidane is paid to do, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise.
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How can't you tell the fecking difference here Vato?
I'm almost completely certain he's secretly the president of Marca too.
Get back in the cocina, you!
Yeah, also Satan and the reincarnation of Hitler.
The Hitler one is surprising, but it fits.
Don't even try this, Vato, you're making yourself look like an absolute twat. Honestly.
For what though? For saying that everyone does it?
I've actually thought over this, and if they do get the £85 million and sell him on, does that guarantee them strengthening their squad with that money? Did we go on and splurge our £80 million from Ronaldo? No we spent it on Antonio Valencia and a couple of fringe players. This may be a freak example but I would see this being beneficial primarily to the board and put it down as revenue, with not much of it being reused as funds for other players. Yes, it may be used for one good signing (Soldado looks likely), but it seems like they could afford him along with Paulinho on their current budget anyway.
I shouldn't really have to spell it out to you. Yes, everyone does it, but no one even comes near the sheer audacity of Real with Zidane heading the entourage. Anyway, this debate is pointless if you honestly think Madrid is "no worse" than anybody else. The only club that comes close is Barca.
Maybe both clubs will be a little less arrogant when Spain is completely and utterly beyond rescue and is known as New South Germany.
It is. Scholes was asked 'should United sign Fabregas' and answered 'it would be a dream to sign a player like that', before going on to talk about Rooney. Zidane will have been asked 'what's the news with Bale', or something along those lines. If it was the same, he'd have answered 'he's a great player, it would be a dream to sign him.' What he actually said was 'if he wants to talk to Madrid, Spurs should let him. Every player wants to play for Madrid, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.'
Add to that the fact that it's the second time he's talked about Bale this season, and about the sixth Madrid transfer target he's used the media to try and tap up in as many months. Plus Scholes is not an employee of the club, and I highly doubt his comments at a dads vs sons football match at his kid's school were anything to do with the club. Whereas it's becoming increasingly obvious that Madrid are using Zidane as an actual tactic to try and attract players.
It's completely different.
£85 million for Gareth Bale the world really is gone bonkers
I personally think Bale is the best British player the country has produced since Paul Scholes, but £85 million, thats as bad as £35 for andy fecking carroll really.
He's great now, got the potential to be int he top 5 players in the world, but fees comparable to Ronaldo? Not for me, there is a huge yawning chasm between Ronaldo and Messi and every other player currently being paid to kick a football. Bale will never be in that league, and I can only see such a pricetag being a negative for him, both in pressure to perform for Bale himself, and expectations he will never, ever be able to live up to for the Madrid fanbase.
He's great now, got the potential to be int he top 5 players in the world, but fees comparable to Ronaldo? Not for me, there is a huge yawning chasm between Ronaldo and Messi and every other player currently being paid to kick a football. Bale will never be in that league, and I can only see such a pricetag being a negative for him, both in pressure to perform for Bale himself, and expectations he will never, ever be able to live up to for the Madrid fanbase.
You can't say they are different until you know what has been asked. You're just assuming Zidane is rambling on about him out the blue. More likely he is being asked by a Real Madrid journalist and is answering. Every Madrid representative that is speaking about Bale will just be replying to questions.
I know, what a bargain.
Oh come on now. You seriously think specifically calling a press conference in order to say this:
is the same as being asked the question, 'David, are United in for Cesc Fabregas? What is the latest on the bid?' and answering:
It doesn't matter. The nature of his answer is completely different, and as I say he's already talked about Bale once and has discussed almost every serious Madrid transfer target for the last six months. And he's an employee of the club talking at a club press conference, whereas Scholes was approached by a journalist at his kid's school Dads match, in no official capacity whatsoever. As I say, completely different.
I should imagine was bought to play football and strengthen the team ... but that's just a wild guess.
As for the rest, potential sell-on value is a factor in the deals reached in many transfers, doubtless just as it was when United signed Ronaldo. Or are you trying to suggest that the need to think about money is beneath the dignity of the mighty MUFC?
Paulinho in the same breath as Fabregas and Thiago
You're right, especially when the most important difference is that we've actually signed the player, whilst you've wasted half the summer (and counting) chasing unsuccessfully after the other two.
"A bird in the hand .... " and all that.
I obviously agree with everyone that he's not at the level Ronaldo was when he went for £80m but I think that's sort of besides the point. Cavani and Falcao went for £50m+ whereas Forlan didn't even cost £20m just a year previous to Ronaldo's sale. Both players are worth more but not to that extent - there's been at least a 30% rise in terms of fees paid at the top end of the market. Paying that much doesn't mean they expect Bale to be as good as Ronaldo. I think he'd be well capable of justifying the fee personally. He got 16 goals and 7 assists in 22 games from January onwards and I reckon he is at the stage where he almost guarantees you a goal a game in one way of another. The goals were of such quality and importance that he really has established himself as someone you can rely on for key contributions every game now. It's not inconceivable for him to break into that bracket of being one of the top 3-5 players in the world and if he stays there for 5+ years I'd say he's worth £30m more than Cavani. It's really not an absurd price compared to Neymar's £48m, IMO.
Yep, Spurs are definitely winning the 'quick transfer business' trophy. You can put it where you were planning to put the CL qualification cup.
I just don't think he's that good.
He's not a £50 million player for me. He's barely a £40 million player.
He's a very, very talented physical specimen with an amazing left foot that plays for his own glory rather than the team. And don't compare it to Ronaldo, he's the world's best player for five years bar Messi.
I don't think he's particularly football smart. I don't think he passes well, except for the odd crossfield pass which he's good at. He doesn't assist many goals for all of his talent. And he doesn't even score that many goals for all of his shots and all of his hype.
So yeah, if I were Spurs I'd rip off Madrid's hand for £50 million, let alone £85 million.
He's not a £50 million player for me. He's barely a £40 million player.
He's a very, very talented physical specimen with an amazing left foot that plays for his own glory rather than the team. And don't compare it to Ronaldo, he's the world's best player for five years bar Messi.
I don't think he's particularly football smart. I don't think he passes well, except for the odd crossfield pass which he's good at. He doesn't assist many goals for all of his talent. And he doesn't even score that many goals for all of his shots and all of his hype.
So yeah, if I were Spurs I'd rip off Madrid's hand for £50 million, let alone £85 million.
I don't really understand your post, taken as a whole.
You start out by saying that if we "keep losing your best players it will pull you [us] back, inevitably". And then you end by saying about Bale "He's good but 2-3 very good player you could buy for that amount will take you further" .... which seems to be the opposite of what you said at the start.
Anyhow, as it happens I think we're in a win-win situation with Bale. If he stays another year, then fantastic, we'll have a front three of Bale, Soldado and Player X (possibly Chadli, maybe Lennon, maybe a new signing). Or if he's sold we'll have a bucket load of cash to hopefully sign, as you say "2-3 very good player" .... to "take you [us] further."
Agree totally
I'd happily take him at Utd for £50m.
Disagree totally.
Well, I probably would as well. He'd certainly be some player as a winger for us.
It's not my money though. If I were the manager of a football club, looking to get value for my money, I'd never pay £85 million for a player of his class. Never. It's absolutely crazy.
Oh, guess I'm preaching to the wrong choir then.
feck me, are you 12 or something? Sound like a right Mardy brat.
I don't think Bale has exhibited anything near enough to be looked upon as even a 60m player. He would need to have a repeat of the season he has just had to even make that bar, for me and then you have to minus the CL from the equation when comparing him to the true elite whose bracket he is being forced into with such an evaluation.
Technically, he hasn't shown anything in the Zidane, Figo, C.Ronaldo etc bracket that makes him a bona fide player at that level apart from some of his shooting and some of his crosses, which are nowhere near the level Figo's were at when he was valued at what he was. In each instance, i don't think those fees could be baulked at, all three of the players mentioned were either the best or very close to it to the point of redundancy and subjectivity. I wouldn't have Bale in that bracket off the back of his CV to date and there are a number of players I'd take before him who have moved for a lot less than he will.
I'm not saying he can't better or become an upper-echelon player, but unlike some from the past or even some truly great potential stars active now, I would have my doubts about him.
You've also got to factor in pressure to deliver in a side that suddenly doesn't look at him all wide-eyed and hopeful, but is demanding and expectant that he can outdo his past season at Spurs for them in key games at key times. It's another world for Bale entirely, and nothing like the shuffle from left to right all the aforementioned players took when they went there.
At the very top end, Bale's about a £50m player, and even that's a stretch but can be acceptable because of who his chairman is and hype train behind him, but just catapulting him into the umbrella of true all-time greats for practically no reason at all is a farce, one that only the likes of Perez is capable of.
And yet everyone secretly agrees with GS.
12months ago, everyone was jizzing themselves over buying Lucas for £30M+, without ever even seeing him play!
Just putting that out there..
Just putting that out there..
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