I have. I'm still unsure what point your trying to make bringing up Thiago and Fabregas.
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I have. I'm still unsure what point your trying to make bringing up Thiago and Fabregas.
I should refer you to my post yesterday: #1675 on page 42.
I can't believe we failed to get Moura and Hazard when Spurs managed to get Dempsey.
How embarrassing for us.
How embarrassing for us.
Like I said, he won't answer your question. Unless you want a Nick Clegg answer.
So did this feck tell Levy he wants to leave then or what? Does this mean we can have Ronaldo back now?
I haven't said he's a PL great. I've merely cited him (along with Vertonghen, Sandro and several other players at Spurs) as an example of the fact - in contrast to a post which suggested otherwise - that Spurs will continue to be able to attract quality players, especially with a hypothetical £85m+ to spend.
No, it was totally nonsensical because putting Paulhino in the same sentence as Thiago and Fabregas is fecking retarded.
They may want to hang onto him so Bale would at least have someone he knows really well already at the club.
Glaston, one month ago: Bale won't leave.
Glaston, now: ... uh, we'll use the £85m to buy other top players!
Glaston, now: ... uh, we'll use the £85m to buy other top players!
But while we fight for Thiago and Fabregas, you go ahead and sign Paulhino. You made it sound like you have pulled off a master stroke and to mention him in the same breath of Fabregas suggests to me that you must think he is a PL great like Fabregas was.
Box-to-box CM. Plays for Brazil ... most recently in the Confederations Cup final, when they beat Spain.
But hey, he went for < £20m, his first name isn't "Cesc" or "Thiago" and he hasn't played for one of the European giants .... so you're right: who the feck is he?
Artherinhos wife?
I see. Was he also bought with a view to sell for profit 2 years down the line?
If Real were to get Bale then they would have to move one of Ronaldo, Isco, Ozil, Kaka, Di Maria out of position or drop them. Attacking midfielder is not a position they need strengthening and certainly not with 85m. I've heard two possible suggestions as to why they would consider it, one on the playing side is that by moving Ronaldo up top and introducing Bale on the left it makes them a lot more solid defensively. Considering Dortmund pinpointed the area behind Ronaldo and exposed it so well that's not a bad shout. But they could do that comfortably anyway with Isco, Ozil and Di Maria now anyway.
The other one was a commercial reason and one compared to David Beckham (and Owen and Woodgate) which was that Real Madrid are still pushing desperately to top the American market and as daft as it might sound, having an English speaking footballer helps massively. They can already attest to the success of this with the other three players (and yes Woodgate was a success for them in that regard). Bale can replicate that and its something that appeals to them hugely.
The other one was a commercial reason and one compared to David Beckham (and Owen and Woodgate) which was that Real Madrid are still pushing desperately to top the American market and as daft as it might sound, having an English speaking footballer helps massively. They can already attest to the success of this with the other three players (and yes Woodgate was a success for them in that regard). Bale can replicate that and its something that appeals to them hugely.
He's Brazilian, he'll have a beer belly and be playing back in Flamengo in two years time.
I've already said, ages ago in the Thiago thread, that United is making a mistake IMO in pursuing "big name" CM targets whilst in the meantime the list of available, realistic and quality (or potentially quality) targets shrinks by the day. Paulinho was one example of the latter category, but it's easy to cite more if you're hung up about Paulinho.
Some of you are touchy today, there was nothing wrong with what Glaston Spur was saying. You've all jumped on the 'he mentioned Paulinho and Thiago in the same sentence what an idiot' bandwagon and completely missed the point he was making.
You don't have to buy established stars to get quality footballers. Its as simple as that. MDFC mentions that he might be sold further down the line for a profit as a dig but proves his point, if he does get sold for a profit then he will have done very well and improved spurs, therefore a good buy. Spurs can't buy thiago or fabregas because they aren't challenging for trophies or in the champions league but they can still bring in brilliant players who are champions league quality, i.e. Modric or for us even Chicharito.
You don't have to buy established stars to get quality footballers. Its as simple as that. MDFC mentions that he might be sold further down the line for a profit as a dig but proves his point, if he does get sold for a profit then he will have done very well and improved spurs, therefore a good buy. Spurs can't buy thiago or fabregas because they aren't challenging for trophies or in the champions league but they can still bring in brilliant players who are champions league quality, i.e. Modric or for us even Chicharito.
In his defence, no-one actually thought Madrid would bid £85 fecking million for him. Until that figure got banded about, I was pretty sure he would stay put.
There was nothing wrong with his point it was just bizarre bringing up Thiago and Fabregas as obviously the players we try and sign are different from Spurs.
It's more the inability to say 'I was wrong, it happens'.
Problem with that is that the reason we're chasing Thiago and Fabregas is because we genuinely felt/feel they were available. That's not something we should pass up. We don't know if Moyes is chasing a marquee name or just two targets he felt were amazing footballers AND attainable.
Because when Ronaldo left, or the Rooney bid came in, everyone on here was a paragon of sense and contrition.
I can't help but feel that Moyes simply doesn't know some of those names well enough to take a punt. I'm sure we have good scouting and good reports, but a manager would like to see a player for himself before he puts 20m pounds or whatever into him. And Moyes probably never looked into those players before because they weren't a realistic target for Everton. I think that just may affect us and him, at least in his first summer.
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Your quote from Moyes was as if to say he never speaks about opposition players, that's exactly what he retracted on later by saying we bid for Fabregas, twice.
The difference between saying "we've bid for player x" versus what Madrid's doing, is like night and day IMO, but technically, you are correct Sir. He mentioned Cesc, by name.
Not really worth a debate though.
Maybe hes like me..............Never wrong, but sometimes it takes years for how right we are to become apparent......(See the Rooney thread)
Yep, as good as the boy looks - remember Kleberson has a WC winners medal.
Maybe hes like me..............Never wrong, but sometimes it takes years for how right we are to become apparent......(See the Rooney thread)
You know you are right, just not when... Reminds me of that film I think its Ben stiller possibly? (Could well be wrong), where he states I know I'm right, I'm always right, and even when I'm wrong I'm probably right, therefore I'm always right... I expect better from you! I would agree that there are always idiots here, but you don't measure yourself by an idiots standards and say 'well, Im no worse...', that's retarded.
Ive never heard that.......but I like it!!!!
Get rich or die trying I think it was actually... not quite Ben Stiller
So Bale... If he has a brain he'd stay IMO.. why join that Circus? He is loved and appreciated and the focal point where he is, will he want to play 2nd fiddle to CR..
I don't see what's so idiotic about what Glaston's said. What do you want form him? A grovelling apology? There's been far more blinkered nonsense from United fans on the Caf this summer. No, you shouldn't measure yourself by it, but I hope you held them to the same standards.
OK third party, I'll bite. Glaston made a prediction and as always it wasn't a 'I think..', it was said with some conviction to which many replied laughing and he got very sure of himself/his prediction. Now that quite obviously what he said is wrong and had no basis, I think the normal thing to do would be to hold your hands up when you get quite indignant in the first place, not as if he put a prediction out there lightly, he was fairly obtuse from what I remember, but again if I turn out to be wrong, I can admit it...
Oh, here we are with the 'tapping up' crap again.
I'm pretty sure if I go into the Thiago or Fabregas thread I can find quotes from United players or staff talking about them aswell. But when it's anyone from Madrid answering questions from reporters about certain players we're the villains of football, go figure.
What about Mourinho with Rooney? Or when Pep was openly speaking about Thiago, dozens on here were crying for the same approach, which Moyes more or less did with Fabregas...
I'm pretty sure if I go into the Thiago or Fabregas thread I can find quotes from United players or staff talking about them aswell. But when it's anyone from Madrid answering questions from reporters about certain players we're the villains of football, go figure.
What about Mourinho with Rooney? Or when Pep was openly speaking about Thiago, dozens on here were crying for the same approach, which Moyes more or less did with Fabregas...
When's Woodward going to swoop in and make a £28m bid then?
There's a difference between Zizou verbally making love to ze player with a baguette and Paul Scholes telling the player he wants him to be his tree-hitting replacement.
Question is, how far can you go with these tactics? If you keep losing your best players it will pull you back, inevitably. I like the way your club has been managed in the past couple of years, all our banter and arguing aside you've made quite a progress and are much more stable at the minute than 2 or 3 years ago.
You have a big squad capable of competing on two or three fronts at the same time, you have some quality players who wouldn't look out of place at top 4 sides or even top European clubs (Lloris, Vertonghen, Bale, possibly Sandro). You've messed up the transfer business last year by not signing a striker and holding out too long on Moutinho deal which never materialised as I reckon that with Moutinho and for example Damiao in the team you'd finish ahead of Arsenal and Chelsea.
There's no doubt that you are some way ahead of Everton and Liverpool, now you only need to build on that - re-investing £85m you could get for Bale in the market would give better results IMO than having him around. He's good but 2-3 very good player you could buy for that amount will take you further - a left back, creative midfielder and 1-2 wide players from the top shelf added to Paulinho and Soldado already secured and you'd be looking like a proper top 4 side.
He was very good on Confedaeration Cup, probably the best player there but he cannot even be compared with Fabregas/Cesc. He's not even near the same level as them.
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