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If the money is there to sign Bale as well as a midfielder, and the idea is to play Bale and Valencia wide with Nani as more of a forward option then I'd be all for it. I wouldn't be against Bale coming here, just not at the expense of Nani.
No disrespect but thank god you are not the manager and only have a tag line saying it.
If Nani stays you will realize how good Nani is or will be in future.He has just moved into his peak.
Then where would Kagawa, Welbeck or Hernandez fit in?
I think there is a fine line in over estimating Nani and under estimating Bale. Nani is without doubt technically a better player. But to me he isn't a winger and therefore the balance isn't quite the same. Look at when Valencia was out injured, the team looked lop-sided. But I can understand at the same time why fans love Nani, he can produce a moment of magic
The Bale link is a filler. With Redknapp gone, it was bound to happen.
Dont see us being in for him at the moment.
Dont see us being in for him at the moment.
I don't know. I'm just saying I wouldn't turn down Bale if he came, but I wouldn't want to lose Nani to accommodate him.
Having Valencia and Nani is a perfect combination.
Having 2 world class wingers with different attributes is better than having 2 with same attributes.
I am more than happy to be proven wrong. My gut tells me though that in 5 years time we'll be thinking that he didn't quite live up to his potential. Just a hunch
Never going to happen.We don't have the funds.
If we sing Bale i wouldnt be surpised when Nani plays nore centrally. As #9 or #10. Hes capable of dong that.
How are you privy to the funds we do or do not have? I don't get how people on an Internet forum presume to have any clue as to what money Manchester United have to spend on signings. Presume that we won't sign certain players if you choose to, but don't speak with certainty on matters of fact you undoubtably are not privy to.
Never trust anyone who doesn't leave a space after a full stop.
I'm reading right now on BBC that the club are stalling on giving him a new deal. Its gossip and Rumour but It's just a feeling I have about him, can't explain it.
Don't get me wrong I want him to stay but I can see him leaving just as much as him staying!
I hope he stays
Nani could become the best attacking player in the Premier League but this season he came up short in the big games and I think Fergie trusts Valencia more and prefers Young on the left possibly too possibly because of his more defensive qualities. Its certain that if the right offer comes in then Nani will be sacraficed to pay for a central midfielder and I wouldnt lose sleep over it if he was as Kagawa and Welbeck can also cover the wing positions if Young or Valencia get injured!
As for Bale.....the difference between him and Nani is consistency so Bale would be a massive addition to our squad but there is not even a slight hope that he is coming to us this summer. I have a feeling that Man City will bid something ridiculous for him this summer and they are the only ones with a very slim chance of getting him this summer. Remember too that this Bale rumour came from MEN and the Daily Star I think so they are two junk tabloids with a reputation of spouting nothing but constant lies.
As for Bale.....the difference between him and Nani is consistency so Bale would be a massive addition to our squad but there is not even a slight hope that he is coming to us this summer. I have a feeling that Man City will bid something ridiculous for him this summer and they are the only ones with a very slim chance of getting him this summer. Remember too that this Bale rumour came from MEN and the Daily Star I think so they are two junk tabloids with a reputation of spouting nothing but constant lies.
Well, I'd rather overpay for Nani than Hulk.
Then again, no chance United selling him to Chelsea.
So Bale is more consistent than Nani then? I must watch different Spurs games than people on here do, because I've seen him play poorly on countless occasions.
Anyone care to justify this greater consistency in Bale's game over Nani's. Unless it means that he consistently does the same things over and over, ie kick it past a fullback and run after it whereas Nani does something different when he gets the ball then I've no idea where this idea of greater consistency comes from.
Anyone care to justify this greater consistency in Bale's game over Nani's. Unless it means that he consistently does the same things over and over, ie kick it past a fullback and run after it whereas Nani does something different when he gets the ball then I've no idea where this idea of greater consistency comes from.
Also the assumption of Nani not being great at tracking back is mostly false.
Early in his career he didnt but he has learned to track back often.
Early in his career he didnt but he has learned to track back often.
Yes but by the same rule you are supporting unpredictability, you are missing the essence of the point that he is by nature, unpredictable. Which means he can be very hit and miss, as you never quite know what you are going to get. That is the obvious positive aspect of unpredictability, but then equally obviously, it must also have an opposing negative aspect too.
If i can sum up my thoughts, then it would be that both Valencia and Bale have a more simple role to fulfill. They beat their man for pace and put in a quality ball. You may know exactly what they are going to bring, but because their main attribute is so easily replicated, that makes it a very reliable and consistently effective contribution.
Nani plays differently, his game is more spontaneous and instinctive than theirs. He has obvious capabilities they do not, but in football is not easy to consistently reproduce the more difficult and higher risk skills.
We see all the time that it is often the most simple and easily repeatable methods performed well, that are often the most regularly effective. Bale and Valencia are predictable, but they are still very difficult to stop. Which means we can often depend on their predictable contributions, moreso than a less predictable, though more talented Nani or a Giggs.
As a striker you need some predictability to have any confidence in what your winger will regularly provide. If you never know when or how your winger is going to do anything in particular, how can you make the right runs and find space at the right time, if you don't know what's coming next?
This is why Rooney seems to enjoy playing so much with Valencia, because he knows what to expect far more often than not, and he can plan his decisions on the basis of that assurance.
Surely having one predictable winger is more than adequate? I guess we should remove all the unpredictable players from football and play with a predictable, regimented nature. Be gone creativity and skill, fill the team with robots doing the same thing over and over again.
Unpredictable players provide the beauty, excitement and spark in football. Nani has it, in spades. I'd rather watch him be unpredictable than watch Bale kick and run past a fullback, every single day of the week, and twice on a Sunday.
Who said he doesn't track back?
How is Nani so poorly rated by United fans?
He's inconsistent Hectic. And certainly less consistent than Bale. It's obvious, surely?
Sometimes the sum is greater than the parts
Regardless, we all have different opinions on how the team best lines up
Bale isn't near the talent Nani is.
Don't blow it out of proportion
I've said before but for me nani is a modern day winger and you need that. He'd probably be better off in a more free role but even in our formation he'a very effective. When I see nani having a bad game it's more a out him and what he'a doing, i.e his crossing or shooting not coming off. I don't think it's usually that the opposition have found some way to contain him but that he'a just not producing that finl bit.
For Valencia and bale though I think they can be contained. Not every team can do it but some can, more so then I feel they can contain nani. If you show these guys on to their weaker foot they're much less effective as they don't have the options nani does. Likewise if you really pull players back it's hard for then to find one of their team mates in the box. For nani that's not as much of a problem as he can come inside.
I don't think we would be better off with say bale and Valencia. I think it would reduce our options in attack. I think you need a nani in there I'd you're gonna play the way we do as he has a versatility to his game that the other two don't . He'll be more frustrating at times because he'a going for that bit of magic but that's exactly the thing that can win you a game out of nowhere.
Back in the 90s bale and venice would have been better suited to our game both cause of how we played and how the opposition played. But in today's game I think you need more from your wingers because of how defensive teams set up, particularly for us where because we're usually outnumbered in the middle we're relying on our wingers to create and score.
For Valencia and bale though I think they can be contained. Not every team can do it but some can, more so then I feel they can contain nani. If you show these guys on to their weaker foot they're much less effective as they don't have the options nani does. Likewise if you really pull players back it's hard for then to find one of their team mates in the box. For nani that's not as much of a problem as he can come inside.
I don't think we would be better off with say bale and Valencia. I think it would reduce our options in attack. I think you need a nani in there I'd you're gonna play the way we do as he has a versatility to his game that the other two don't . He'll be more frustrating at times because he'a going for that bit of magic but that's exactly the thing that can win you a game out of nowhere.
Back in the 90s bale and venice would have been better suited to our game both cause of how we played and how the opposition played. But in today's game I think you need more from your wingers because of how defensive teams set up, particularly for us where because we're usually outnumbered in the middle we're relying on our wingers to create and score.
Not you but I have read many posts suggesting it.
I wasn't suggesting you had said this, I know you rate him, I've read your posts. Others are quite clearly suggesting Bale is more consistent than Nani though, without backing it up with any evidence.
I never suggested that Nev, so you are being a little overly dramatic there!
All i am saying is that there is nothing wrong with predictability either. You many have a preference for unpredictability as it adds to your personal enjoyment. But predictability is still very effective, and only when it fails to be effective do people seem to have any problem with it. You may not understand why people seem to not appreciate Nani as much as you do, but for me it is for the same reasons people have slagged and loved Giggs in equal measure over the years, he is hit and miss. While you can marvel at their skills, very, very few can be unpredictably brilliant every week, so it is often frustrating when they do not produce what you know they are capable of.
Nani for me is not a winger. He is a modern day wide forward. He is a better goalscorer than a provider from the touchline. Wingers need the skill to beat a man, but there must also be some confidence in what they will do once they have made that space. Nani is not a winger, and never will be imo. The closer you get him to the box and coming into central areas from wide positions the better and more regularly effective he becomes.
This is true. If people prefer to watch kick and run football that's their choice. I'm just giving my personal opinion that for me, one Valencia type player is enough, and I wouldn't swap an unpredictable Nani type for another predictable type.
As I've said, if Bale arriving has no impact on Nani then I'm all for it, he's a good player, but I wouldn't swap them. That's my personal take on it though.
Valencia is probably our most predictable attacker
Yet still very few stopped him this season
Yet still very few stopped him this season
I didn't know that unpredicable means "hit and miss". People are mistaking unpredictabilty for inconsistency. Ronalidinho was unpredictable, most of these kind of players are unpredictable. Granted nani's corners are poor but his crosses aren't exactly poor. Infact sometimes he provides some excellent crosses. I don't want to go to youtube to prove that. His inconsistency is really exagerated over here. Valencia wasn't great at the start of last season while nani was consistently great at the start of the season. Its only after coming back from injury that he struggled a bit. He again looks better and why would we want to sell him when he is among selected few players in our squad who can provide a moment of brilliance.
Is one not enough though?
It's not like Bale is consistently unstoppable though, is it? I've seen him rendered ineffective on numerous occasions.
But lets also not forget, we have not seen the Valencia of the second-half of last season before.
Horses for courses Nev
I thought the problem this season is that they started off well, okay with Bale having the free role and cutting inside a bit more... But once the opponents saw that happening more, they were able to predict it.
Thought Bale did okay, but still I think he's better hogging the touchline as lesser opponents will be on him unlike going centrally.
The only reason why I'd go for Bale is that he has all the attributes to be Better than Evra... Imagine a left flank with Bale and Nani.
But 40m is ridiculous and I'd rather we search for the new Bale.
Thought Bale did okay, but still I think he's better hogging the touchline as lesser opponents will be on him unlike going centrally.
The only reason why I'd go for Bale is that he has all the attributes to be Better than Evra... Imagine a left flank with Bale and Nani.
But 40m is ridiculous and I'd rather we search for the new Bale.
the new bale???
jesus the existing bale is only 22!
jesus the existing bale is only 22!
I like the cut of your gib Nev.
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