Gareth Bale | Mourinho: "Game over. Now everyone knows he's going to stay."

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Vato said:
That is an absolute disgrace if true.
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https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/real-madrid-player-salaries-2017

If this source is correct it's actually a lot worse. We know Bale is on over £600k pw before tax.

Isco has not signed a new contract since he was bought. Allegedly he is on £60k after tax, or £100k before tax. Vasquez on £30k after tax and allegedly Asensio on £10k after tax. That's a combined £100k after tax or ~£200k before tax. Which is less than a third of Bale's salary.

I'm not suggesting that these salaries are 100% accurate but even allowing for a very large margin of error would still make the original statement right.

Like I said, Real are in a bit of a pickle over this. They will have to seriously up those salaries if they want to keep those players. Isco could easily triple his salary elsewhere and if he is not renewed in the next 4 months he can sign a new contract on Bosman rules in January to go abroad for free. He'll get offers aplenty.

Asensio is probably also worth at least £100-£150k gross. Or £70-80k net. Contract renewals to Isco to Asensio would eat up 3/4 of the Bale salary and would be largely deserved. It's hard to argue Bale is worth £600k pw to Real at the moment.

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Asensio signed a new contract this summer with a €350m release clause and earns €3.5m per year.

Marco Asensio is a star and the club knows. What the player has achieved in the first season with the club is amazing and they want to treat him with respect and affection. For this reason, his salary will be raised up to €3.5M per year, the same amount of money got by Lucas Vázquez, Mateo Kovacic or Daniel Carvajal, although the right-back will also extend his contract in the next days.
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http://www.realmadridnews.com/marco-asensio-renew-contract-raise-salary-21790

So yeah, €3.5m per year for Vasquez and Asensio allegedly. With Isco not far off since he hasn't renewed. While Bale is on well over €20m per year.
 
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MadMike said:
Well yeah at least Bale is consistent. Consistently injured, that is.

PS. I'm not that fussed about us signing Bale. I think he's not a good option for us right now, though Mourinho seems to want him. I'm just surprised Real are not looking to offload him given the his situation and how good the kids coming through are.
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There's still a slim chance before window shuts but unlikely.

I think Bale would be most effective player in PL if he came back and if he was managed right while Wales relied on him slightly less intensely then it's possible he could get on top of injuries. But we'd only be getting a few more years with him in his prime so would probably make more sense to sign a Pulisic
 
Bwuk said:
To be honest, if I was Madrid I would sell him.

He's not going to play ahead of Ronaldo, Benzema or Isco. Asensio looks excellent, and Vazquez is fine as a 5th choice.

Bale is arguably 4th/5th choice imo.
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Exactly. And that's before taking in to account the possibility of Mbappe joining.

Isco/Asensio are phenomenal talents as well and you would imagine that getting them and Bale all enough play time will be fairly difficult. Given that the Madrid team seems more balanced with Isco over Bale (not a knock on Bale) he isn't guaranteed to start every week which Im sure wont sit well with him.

But then again Madrid haven't had their period of success recently by weakening their squad in the transfer market every year so if they have a bench featuring Bale/Asensio/Vazquez as substitutes then its a benefit for them. Barcelona seemingly cant put out a coherent starting eleven at this point let alone match Madrids back up options.

Maybe they are hedging their bets in case the whole Ronaldo situation becomes irreversible although Im sure they would let any other player leave before Ronaldo.
 
Champagne Football said:
There's still a slim chance before window shuts but unlikely.

I think Bale would be most effective player in PL if he came back and if he was managed right while Wales relied on him slightly less intensely then it's possible he could get on top of injuries. But we'd only be getting a few more years with him in his prime so would probably make more sense to sign a Pulisic
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I don't think there is.

They sold Morata and James. They have 6 players for 3 forward positions; the BBC plus Isco, Vazquez and Asensio. They will need them all, they have a shit ton of games to play.

If they sell Bale, they will only have Vazquez and Asensio as back up to Ronaldo, Isco, Benzema. That's not a lot of depth and any injuries or suspensions could put them in a difficult position.

They'll have to sign another player before they can let Bale go. It was going to be Mbappe but it looks unlikely to happen this summer.
 
Champagne Football said:
There's still a slim chance before window shuts but unlikely.

I think Bale would be most effective player in PL if he came back and if he was managed right while Wales relied on him slightly less intensely then it's possible he could get on top of injuries. But we'd only be getting a few more years with him in his prime so would probably make more sense to sign a Pulisic
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No way would Wales rely on him anything less than they do already, he could be dead and buried and Wales would be having a club vs country row about his availability. Cant blame them.

Regarding Pulisic its the old argument of sign someone in their prime now or sign a promising player and wait for him to develop.
 
MadMike said:
I don't think there is.

They sold Morata and James. They have 6 players for 3 forward positions; the BBC plus Isco, Vazquez and Asensio. They will need them all, they have a shit ton of games to play.

If they sell Bale, they will only have Vazquez and Asensio as back up to Ronaldo, Isco, Benzema. That's not a lot of depth and any injuries or suspensions could put them in a difficult position.

They'll have to sign another player before they can let Bale go. It was going to be Mbappe but it looks unlikely to happen this summer.
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Sold or loaned James?
 
Red_toad said:
Sold or loaned James?
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Loaned for 2 years with an option for Bayern to buy. He is gone as far as Madrid are concerned.

If he flops at Bayern he returns to RM with only 1 year of his contract remaining and very little financial value or chance to break into the team.
 
I would be all for signing Bale, I think the RW area needs improving as Mata/Miki are better suited to a central role and Lingard, while a good squad option is nowhere near good enough for a starting spot.

Bale is extremely happy in Madrid, and has shown no desire to leave. He'll stay and fight for his place
 
Asensio is 21. He's going through a purple patch right now but his performances will drop at some point later this season. All young players go through bad patches. Madrid would be crazy to sell Bale and rely on Asensio at tail end of the season when they're challenging for the major trophies. L
 
Craig Ward said:
I would be all for signing Bale, I think the RW area needs improving as Mata/Miki are better suited to a central role and Lingard, while a good squad option is nowhere near good enough for a starting spot.

Bale is extremely happy in Madrid, and has shown no desire to leave. He'll stay and fight for his place
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That's the key thing. Despite all his ups and downs at Real and being booed by their own fans he doesn't really seem interest in leaving. Given his contract and playing for the currently best club in the world I think that's hardly surprising. If Asensio really keeps him on the bench for an entire season even if one of Ronnie and Benzema is injured I reckon his attitude might change but only if this is really the case. So no chance of getting him this summer imo.
 
NoLogo said:
That's the key thing. Despite all his ups and downs at Real and being booed by their own fans he doesn't really seem interest in leaving. Given his contract and playing for the currently best club in the world I think that's hardly surprising. If Asensio really keeps him on the bench for an entire season even if one of Ronnie and Benzema is injured I reckon his attitude might change but only if this is really the case. So no chance of getting him this summer imo.
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Agree, he'll stay and fight this season and take his chances when presented.

IF he is told he is surplus by the club, obviously this changes. A whole season on the bench being overlooked, we could be in next summer.

Doesn't look like Mpabbe to Madrid is happening, so I think Bale has a big part to play this year still
 
Craig Ward said:
Agree, he'll stay and fight this season and take his chances when presented.

IF he is told he is surplus by the club, obviously this changes. A whole season on the bench being overlooked, we could be in next summer.

Doesn't look like Mpabbe to Madrid is happening, so I think Bale has a big part to play this year still
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If he spends a whole season on the bench, it'd be too high a risk for us given his injuries and salary. That's why I think this ship has sailed.

If he does very well this season, he'll want to stay and Real will want to keep him. If he does badly and gets injured or benched, no one will offer 600k pw and a transfer fee to get him off Real's hands. He'll have to take a massive paycut and Real will have to accept a nominal fee. Both of which are not very likely
 
MadMike said:
Douglas Costa moved to Juve this summer buddy. He's gone.
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I think that's only a loan move. If we can negotiate better maybe next year we can try to get him. He is in his peak age now.
 
catmandeu said:
I think that's only a loan move. If we can negotiate better maybe next year we can try to get him. He is in his peak age now.
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No, it's a loan move with an obligation to buy. There must be some clauses that break that obligation, like injuries or what not, but the deal is agreed.
 
I hate how some countries' media like to report wages after tax. What's the point?

Also I hope we never go for Bale. Would be a mistake at this point and a massive waste of money.
 
whatwha said:
Also I hope we never go for Bale. Would be a mistake at this point and a massive waste of money.
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Considering his injury woes… or just in general?

He would be perfect for us ability-wise. But with his injury history, it runs the risk of being a massive waste of money. Otherwise it would be a great signing.
 
Seems like both Bale and Madrid are in a bit of a pickle thanks to his ridiculous contract. Good! Would love him at the club as a player, but his ambivalence towards us has pissed me off. He can stay there on the bench and drain their resources week by week.
 
I have a feeling that his injuries will persist and they will wish they had sold him this summer.

His wages are insane. He would have to be fighting fit week in, week out playing at the top of his game to justify those numbers.
 
Bale doesn't want United and has stated every chance he get's that he is happy in Madrid.
Zizou wants to keep Bale.
Jose said everyone knows Bale is going to stay now.
Very little noise coming out of the Marca about it.

Maybe this thread should die a slow death. :D
 
ike said:
Bale doesn't want United and has stated every chance he get's that he is happy in Madrid.
Zizou wants to keep Bale.
Jose said everyone knows Bale is going to stay now.
Very little noise coming out of the Marca about it.

Maybe this thread should die a slow death. :D
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I think you've misinterpreted the reason the thread go bumped. There's nothing at all to suggest the transfer is happening, that's not what we're discussing.

We're merely discussing Bale's situation at Madrid with the emergence of Isco, Asensio and Vazquez and if the decision by RM to not make him available for transfer was a correct one for Real or not.

Whether this discussion should be hosted in this thread or not is perhaps another matter.
 
Shuriken said:
Considering his injury woes… or just in general?

He would be perfect for us ability-wise. But with his injury history, it runs the risk of being a massive waste of money. Otherwise it would be a great signing.
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Mainly considering his fitness issues and age. But even if we could get the best out if him for 3-4 years where he mostly stayed fit, at £80m+ and £600k per week he would be very expensive. We need several players next summer too and we don't have unlimited money unlike what some like to think.
 
Would LOVE him here...

------------------DDG------------------
Val-------Bailly-------Jones------Blind
------Matic----------------Pogba-------
Rashford--------Mkhi-------------Bale
---------------Red Rom----------------

That is a fecking Fergie worthy team (in a more modern way).
 
Bale to Manchester + Mbappe to Madrid would make sense.

Monaco don't seem like they'll be selling Mbappe to PSG and PSG don't even actually need him. The only problem is his wages.
 
MadMike said:
Whether this discussion should be hosted in this thread or not is perhaps another matter.
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Unless there's a tangible news item linking him to us with a transfer, then it really shouldn't be discussed here. You can create hypothetical threads if you want to, but a lot of people only click on transfer forum threads because they think there's been a development, rather than people just generally chatting.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Unless there's a tangible news item linking him to us with a transfer, then it really shouldn't be discussed here. You can create hypothetical threads if you want to, but a lot of people only click on transfer forum threads because they think there's been a development, rather than people just generally chatting.
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Fair enough
 
@MadMike surely that source seems a bit off? Carvajal on 35k per week? Marcelo on 80k? I know full backs aren't that well paid but come on..
 
Enigma_87 said:
@MadMike surely that source seems a bit off? Carvajal on 35k per week? Marcelo on 80k? I know full backs aren't that well paid but come on..
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They are after tax. With the 45% tax bracket in Spain you gotta almost double them to get the gross. 150k pw for Marcelo sounds quite believable, do you know any full backs on more than that?

EDIT: If anything those salaries seem to high, considering RMs wage structure.
 
MadMike said:
They are after tax. With the 45% tax bracket in Spain you gotta almost double them to get the gross. 150k pw for Marcelo sounds quite believable, do you know any full backs on more than that?

EDIT: If anything those salaries seem to high, considering RMs wage structure.
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Aurier earns 15k less than both combined(and 20k more than Marcelo):

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/psg-salaries/

Alaba is on 90k and Lahm on 160k.

http://sportsmaza.com/football/bayern-munich-players-salaries/

Not counting Walker and Alves on massive salaries as they just moved this Summer, but seems to me both are a bit underpaid.
 
Asensio and Lucas got bumped to 3.5M(7 before tax), Isco apparently has already signed the new contract and they're waiting to announce it. It's 6M a year(12 before tax). 6+3.5+3.5=13(26). That's still less than what we pay Bale :lol:
 
Enigma_87 said:
Aurier earns 15k less than both combined(and 20k more than Marcelo):

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/psg-salaries/

Alaba is on 90k and Lahm on 160k.

http://sportsmaza.com/football/bayern-munich-players-salaries/

Not counting Walker and Alves on massive salaries as they just moved this Summer, but seems to me both are a bit underpaid.
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I doubt those PSG salaries are after tax. D.Alves is on 250k after tax? 500k pw gross?
Krychowiak paid 130k after tax, 260k gross?

No way...
 
MadMike said:
I doubt those PSG salaries are after tax. D.Alves is on 250k after tax? 500k pw gross?
Krychowiak paid 130k after tax, 260k gross?

No way...
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Says so considering Neymar is 500k after tax. Of course I take it with a pinch of salt as well, but most sources of that type show similar figures.

D.Alves would definitely be on crazy salary considering how PSG snatched him off City's hands:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/3156360/psg-doubled-manchester-citys-wage-offer-to-dani-alves-source
 
MadMike said:
I doubt those PSG salaries are after tax. D.Alves is on 250k after tax? 500k pw gross?
Krychowiak paid 130k after tax, 260k gross?

No way...
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Checks out with reported wage bill. Unless the reports are completely wrong, or PSG spend more than half their wage bill on all other employees outside the first team, which is unlikely to say the least....
 
Madrid made a big blunder by giving Bale such a huge contract. He certainly doesn't deserve it. It's in their benefit to sell him off this year and bring in Mbappe or Dembele. If he stays one more year and doesn't do well, none of the other big teams will be in for him. His value will depreciate and they will be stuck with him as he has no desire to leave. The other players will also be not happy that they are doing more than him for the team but he gets paid 2-3 times their salary. The only thing that is holding Madrid back from selling him is that the Mbappe deal is not done yet. PSG signing him will upset Madrid's plans and they'll end up keeping Bale.
 
With Bale it's more than football. It has to do with marketing and Perez's ego. While injuries and the way football is played in Spain have prevented Bale from being the success Madrid envisioned when they purchased him, he still is a massive box office draw as arguably the best English language player of the last years. Only Ronaldo sells more Madrid jerseys worldwide and when Madrid are in the US, Bale is always on the posters and marketing material.

For Perez it’s also an ego thing to have purchased the biggest British player away from the Premiership and have him here in his best years. He’s probably loathe to shipping him back at this stage, and even more so to us.

I don’t know what moves Bale, but ultimately he’s earning a ton of money and is winning silverware he could never have imagined as a Spurs player. And life is good in Madrid provided the family adapts to the language and culture. So unless Madrid puts him on sale or he's benched more often than he plays, he'll probably want to stay there a while longer.
 
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