Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

In the books there are consequences that will happen as a result though, one way or the other. Oberyn’s brief stint in the book moves the entire Dorne plot. The sand snakes and pretty much all of Dorne on the show were completely pointless.

Yeah TV Dorne was simply awful.
 
Yeah TV Dorne was simply awful.

It’s a shame because the whole Dorne story arc had a lot of intrigue and build up in the books, although we still don’t know where it’s actually going. Was bitterly disappointed in how the show played it out though (or didn’t play it out, rather). Same goes for the Stannis arc as well.
 
It’s a shame because the whole Dorne story arc had a lot of intrigue and build up in the books, although we still don’t know where it’s actually going. Was bitterly disappointed in how the show played it out though (or didn’t play it out, rather). Same goes for the Stannis arc as well.
To be fair to the show writers, GRRM doesn't know either.
 
To be fair to the show writers, GRRM doesn't know either.


That's very true i do wonder if anyone else will finish the books like with the Wheel of Time series as i am convinced Martin has no idea where to go and basically wrote himself into a wall
 
I'm trying to find the gif of the fight "choreography" but no joy so far.
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Third rewatch. Forgot how good season 1 is, think it gets less praise because it’s less action oriented than the following series’.

The first season is the best, and it's not particularly close, in my opinion. The world/character building, story telling, dialogues and acting is superior to the rest of the series. Even the action is better, because it's less frequent, but more meaningful. The short fights like Ned vs. Jamie and Bronn vs. Ser Vardis are all intense, well-choreographed and very important to the plot. They just seem more grounded and realistic. When looking at the plot twists, I also don't think anything beats Ned's death - it was beautifully done. Season 1 is also the first and last season that doesn't have a problem with lighting. And it has the one true king, Bobby B!

I could go on, but people that prefer season 2 or 3 are simply not intelligent.
 
The first season is the best, and it's not particularly close, in my opinion. The world/character building, story telling, dialogues and acting is superior to the rest of the series. Even the action is better, because it's less frequent, but more meaningful. The short fights like Ned vs. Jamie and Bronn vs. Ser Vardis are all intense, well-choreographed and very important to the plot. They just seem more grounded and realistic. When looking at the plot twists, I also don't think anything beats Ned's death - it was beautifully done. Season 1 is also the first and last season that doesn't have a problem with lighting. And it has the one true king, Bobby B!

I could go on, but people that prefer season 2 or 3 are simply not intelligent.

I’d argue Red Wedding, which is one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen in a TV show, but I’d agree completely with everything else.
 
I’d argue Red Wedding, which is one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen in a TV show, but I’d agree completely with everything else.

That's fair - it will never be as shocking for me, because I had read the books at that point, so it was a bit different. I also thought it was a bit lame how they added cheap shock value by having Robb's wife violently stabbed in her pregnant belly, when she wasn't even there in the books. Ned's beheading takes it for me, because it was the first real shock of the series, and came to define what it was about. The slow realization that it might actually be happening, and Arya being in the square was just great television.
 
It’s a shame because the whole Dorne story arc had a lot of intrigue and build up in the books, although we still don’t know where it’s actually going. Was bitterly disappointed in how the show played it out though (or didn’t play it out, rather). Same goes for the Stannis arc as well.


Yeah it went off a cliff the minute they surpassed the books although some of the changes they made prior to that were already starting to get a little stupid (Robbs wife being one).

Still astounds me that they could make something as brilliant as Hardhome (still the best battle I feel) and utterly mess nearly everything else up.
 
It’s a shame because the whole Dorne story arc had a lot of intrigue and build up in the books, although we still don’t know where it’s actually going. Was bitterly disappointed in how the show played it out though (or didn’t play it out, rather). Same goes for the Stannis arc as well.

Arianne could have been a great character, no idea why they cut her out, nipples and all.

The first season is the best, and it's not particularly close, in my opinion. The world/character building, story telling, dialogues and acting is superior to the rest of the series. Even the action is better, because it's less frequent, but more meaningful. The short fights like Ned vs. Jamie and Bronn vs. Ser Vardis are all intense, well-choreographed and very important to the plot. They just seem more grounded and realistic. When looking at the plot twists, I also don't think anything beats Ned's death - it was beautifully done. Season 1 is also the first and last season that doesn't have a problem with lighting. And it has the one true king, Bobby B!

I could go on, but people that prefer season 2 or 3 are simply not intelligent.

I’m currently doing a re-read of the first book while watching along on season 1 and I couldn’t agree more. While the more I read and watch the more the two mediums diverge in my mind, I have a growing appreciation for the adaptation they achieved initially. In particular in the early years the show did a great job in conveying just how weird and strange this world is, from Robert Arryn sucking on his mother’s teats to Walder Frey licking his lips talking about his 15 year-old wife’s “honey”. Apart frm everything else, the show writers really struggled to maintain this sense after season 3. The introduction of the Dorne and Iron Islands plots in seasons 5 and 6 might have been a good opportunity to reclaim that spirit of mystery but the writers completely blew it.
 
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Yeah it went off a cliff the minute they surpassed the books although some of the changes they made prior to that were already starting to get a little stupid (Robbs wife being one).

Still astounds me that they could make something as brilliant as Hardhome (still the best battle I feel) and utterly mess nearly everything else up.
Didn't the showrunners say they only adapted the show because they wanted to recreate the red wedding?
 
I hope not (wouldnt surprise me though) although I seriously doubt they read the books to begin with.
In their defence, and I say that grudgingly after the massacre that was seasons 7 and 8, I think when they begun the show they genuinely expected grrm to have finished the series or at least be at the tail end of it a decade later.
 
In their defence, and I say that grudgingly after the massacre that was seasons 7 and 8, I think when they begun the show they genuinely expected grrm to have finished the series or at least be at the tail end of it a decade later.


Yeah that is probably true.
 
Was it ever confirmed who sent the Kingsguard to attack Tyrion at Blackwater?

In the show it's all but confirmed that it was Joffrey.

In the books it's not clear,
the one person I'm pretty sure it isn't is Cersei since she never mentions it during her POV chapters even when obsessing over Tyrion. It may also be Joffrey but I actually think it was probably Littlefinger.
 
Five years on from the finale. Seen some great clips pop up on my X feed, some great moments.

The final season, but mostly the last few episodes will go down as a big waste. It seems I don't hear it talked about much except on anniversaries.

I still however see 'what should have been' videos and talk. I do wonder if this will ever get rebooted or redone years from now. Or maybe an animated version

Anyway five years already. Damn
 
Five years on from the finale. Seen some great clips pop up on my X feed, some great moments.

The final season, but mostly the last few episodes will go down as a big waste. It seems I don't hear it talked about much except on anniversaries.

I still however see 'what should have been' videos and talk. I do wonder if this will ever get rebooted or redone years from now. Or maybe an animated version

Anyway five years already. Damn

It happened a lot earlier than that. I'd say after Season 4 there was nothing special about it besides the budget. By then it was living off the name of the first seasons, which were excellent. There were still some good set pieces and exciting scenes, but the clever writing was gone. It was just that the wheels fully came off in the last two seasons, so that even casual fans could see it was pure nonsense.

I can't think of a show that reached a similar high in terms of cultural impact, and then fell into complete obscurity after it ended.
 
I remember thinking how the feck are they going to deal with the walkers and Kings Landing within 6 episodes when it was announced it is going to be 6 eps long.
They then proceeded to pretty much waste the first 2 episodes on what i considered drivel.
It's not just the Dumb & Dumbers fault, feck HBO for making them wrap up the show in such short amount of episodes.
 
I binged watched it over a week after getting Sky.
I gotta say I wasn't impressed, Lord of the Rings it is not, terrible story lines, massive plot holes and poor characters, I reckon Sean Bean asked to be killed off.
George Martin, the producers and directors need serious mental therapy if they consider some of that entertainment.
 
I remember thinking how the feck are they going to deal with the walkers and Kings Landing within 6 episodes when it was announced it is going to be 6 eps long.
They then proceeded to pretty much waste the first 2 episodes on what i considered drivel.
It's not just the Dumb & Dumbers fault, feck HBO for making them wrap up the show in such short amount of episodes.

D&D wanted to wrap it up, because they were done with it and wanted to move on. HBO wanted more seasons (obviously, it was their flagship show).
 
I remember thinking how the feck are they going to deal with the walkers and Kings Landing within 6 episodes when it was announced it is going to be 6 eps long.
They then proceeded to pretty much waste the first 2 episodes on what i considered drivel.
It's not just the Dumb & Dumbers fault, feck HBO for making them wrap up the show in such short amount of episodes.

HBO wanted several more seasons. D&D were the reason why the show ended so abruptly as they wanted to do their Star Wars project (which got cancelled after the GoT debacle).
 
I remember thinking how the feck are they going to deal with the walkers and Kings Landing within 6 episodes when it was announced it is going to be 6 eps long.
They then proceeded to pretty much waste the first 2 episodes on what i considered drivel.
It's not just the Dumb & Dumbers fault, feck HBO for making them wrap up the show in such short amount of episodes.
Can someone explain to me how a dragon resurrected turns into a dragon that spews ice, manages to make a hole in a wall made of ice ?
You go through a whole programme of the walkers killing everything in their path, only for a diminutive female to appear from nowhere, perform acrobatics like an Olympic gymnast and defeat the whole arm with possibly the smallest piece of "dragonglass" she could find ?
Not exactly "The Ride Of The Rohirrim"
 
D&D wanted to wrap it up, because they were done with it and wanted to move on. HBO wanted more seasons (obviously, it was their flagship show).

Oh wow, I was living a lie. I was sure i saw reports at the time saying HBO want to wrap it up asap, guess i owe them an apology.
 
Can someone explain to me how a dragon resurrected turns into a dragon that spews ice, manages to make a hole in a wall made of ice ?
You go through a whole programme of the walkers killing everything in their path, only for a diminutive female to appear from nowhere, perform acrobatics like an Olympic gymnast and defeat the whole arm with possibly the smallest piece of "dragonglass" she could find ?
Not exactly "The Ride Of The Rohirrim"
They completely fecked it. All that build up to the White Walkers and Night King and it seemed like they gave them 20 seconds.
 
It’s mostly George R. R. Martin’s fault.
 
Can someone explain to me how a dragon resurrected turns into a dragon that spews ice, manages to make a hole in a wall made of ice ?
You go through a whole programme of the walkers killing everything in their path, only for a diminutive female to appear from nowhere, perform acrobatics like an Olympic gymnast and defeat the whole arm with possibly the smallest piece of "dragonglass" she could find ?
Not exactly "The Ride Of The Rohirrim"

Magic. The wall was made by it which is why it stopped the White Walkers from crossing it. No dead can cross which is why half dead Uncle Benjen (???) didn't escort Bran south.

I think I read a while back that Ice Fire is more powerful than regular fire hence why it was able to destroy the wall. Anything involving magic requires a bit of a leap of faith.

The rest of their storyline from that moment onwards was awful writing though. In part I imagine due to them needing to end the show as quickly as possible. Along with D&D being shite. Shame given the huge buildup for that story to end that way. Sigh.
 
I binged watched it over a week after getting Sky.
I gotta say I wasn't impressed, Lord of the Rings it is not, terrible story lines, massive plot holes and poor characters, I reckon Sean Bean asked to be killed off.
George Martin, the producers and directors need serious mental therapy if they consider some of that entertainment.

You joking? You know there’s a book series and that his character dies in the first book, right?
 
I agree with this. Doesn't want to finish GoT so keeps getting involved in other projects. When was the last book released? Feels like 15 years ago.

13 years.