I realise there's a series of books it is adapted from, I just assumed from the terrible acting that Sean Bean asked to be written out early
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Interesting. The general consensus is that the first few seasons were cracking. Anyway, Sean Bean went out pretty much when he was supposed to, going by the pacing of the books.
The first season is really faithful to the books, and from there on it slowly begins moving away from them. By season 5 they start inventing entirely new storylines for no reason, and season 6 is the first that really delves into what happens after the currently published books.
Ah I must have missed the bit about the wall being built by magic, should I re-watch it to find that snippet of information.
Ice fire, that's a new one, it all makes perfect sense now.
NB: Hereford FC on Soccer Manager, me too, originally from Ross on Wye, I was there when Ronny scored "that goal"
I just got the feeling that as the series progressed and "fans" got hooked, the better seasoned actors were gradually written out.
Not having read the books, I had no preconceived ideas about the show, only hearsay from friends.
I thoroughly enjoyed the comeuppance they had losing Star Wars. Completely unprofessional finish to GoT and the irony was delicious.
The real answer is that this stuff isn't explained in the show, and it hasn't happened in the books yet. But yeah, the dragons are magic and the white walkers are magic, so an undead zombie dragon obviously also has some magic to it. And I don't think it's ever shown to be ice that it's spewing - it looks more like blue fire.
The plot point that the Night King and the white walkers were able to produce a giant, probably kilometres long iron chain, and have it attached to a dragon in the bottom of a frozen lake in the span of a few days, with no means of production whatsoever, still lives rent free in my head.
I was coming to that bit.
This was so incredibly stupid. Especially because they had previously showed us that the Night King dude can turn corpses into wights by simply raising his hands. He didn't have to touch them previously. So they could have had a cool scene where he does that next to the lake and then the dragon busts through the ice.
Terrible acting where? Season 1 is full of great acting particularly from Mark Addy & Sean Bean
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I think the magic bit was mentioned by Benjen when he meets up with Merra (sp) and Bran. Bran the Builder built the wall hundreds/thousands of years ago and used magic on the foundations or some bullshit. I remember it being a thing as there was discussion on how the white walkers would get past it. Some suggested they'd freeze the ocean and walk round it.
Two from a cast of hundreds.
Anyway, what "made" the show was the (geo)political intrigue, the mind games, the clever and calculated characters and the mystery.
By the end of season 4 most of that was dead in favour for the magic and the hamfisted plot points, the intriguing characters were mostly killed off in favour of the boring mary sues, and I could no longer pretend it was even a serviceable show beyond season 5.
By the end of season 4 most of that was dead in favour for the magic and the hamfisted plot points, the intriguing characters were mostly killed off in favour of the boring mary sues, and I could no longer pretend it was even a serviceable show beyond season 5.
I was about to add Charles Dance in there but realised you were only referring to season 1.
To be fair, there is some really rough acting even in season 1, but mostly from the kids and the minor characters.
I assume you mean the first Season? I don't think it's even possible to watch the entire show over a week. It's too long surely?
I'm semi-retired, plus I had a week off work.
Aye I wish we saw more of Tywin, Charles Dance is a great actor.
I'd probably hate the show if I spent the entire week watching it.
Watching 75 hours of television in 1 week is quite impressive 
Haven't watch the show for ages, but wasn't the magic aspect mentioned when Bran was learning with the three eyed raven and got touched by the Night King in one of his visions. Allowing the Night King to enter that safe place and also with Bran crossing the wall weakening that magic too?
I live in a firsts floor flat, with just a cat for company, and it was pissing down virtually all week!Watching 75 hours of television in 1 week is quite impressive
S5 defo had some strange stuff. Also Arya being stabbed multiple times, jumping into water then out running terminator lady was something.
Also the whole dorne stuff was boring. But S6 I thought hold the door was good, and the last two episodes were brilliant to watch. Of course mostly action but thought S6 final episode was done so well. I think S6 is when I started watching it on sky Atlantic 'live' at 2am
Yeah he’s fantastic.
Because D&D were probably told that the books will end with;
1) the wall being destroyed/the white walkers invading the North
2) the Night King (Night's King) gets an undead big burny seagull to fly around on
3) Jon Snow, as the Prince Who Was Promised, fights and kills the Night King
But because the source material isn't written yet, D&D are too fecking thick to come up with their own ways to get to points 1 and 2, we ended up with the shite we got. And with point 3 they wanted to, in their own words, "subvert expectations" because their favourite moment in the books is the Red Wedding and they loved it for all the wrong reasons. Rather than "actions have consequences" they thought it was just "shocking".
As an additional note - the show became a parody of itself, desperately trying to recapture the shock value of the Red Wedding, or the Viper and the Mountain, or the mess they made of the book's Dorne plot, so that dickheads standing in a bar could post reaction videos on YouTube. It was rife with these videos and D&D knew it made the show more popular, but it was a joke - certainly a joke that was funnier than the multiple ones about Varys having no cock Iol.
Just to add to your pain - the chain isn't tight so how are they able to pull the dragon out of the lake anyway?
Just to add to your pain - the chain isn't tight so how are they able to pull the dragon out of the lake anyway?
I wonder what the hierarchy system is? Why are some people just standing there and not helping with the chains? Are they from HR?
Just to add to your pain - the chain isn't tight so how are they able to pull the dragon out of the lake anyway?
I feel like I read that when a chain has so much mass, it doesn't need to be tight to pull something, indeed it may not be possible. In physics.
But that sounds like such bullshit that I feel I might have just imagined this.
Management and Supervisors probably
Try pulling something with a chain, without putting tension on it
Yeah, obviously- I did state it sounded like nonsense. It was something to do with a massive chain, or a theoretically massive chain that couldn't exist. My memory is quite fuzzy on this...
Definitely. J.K. Rowling wrote 7 Harry Potter books in about a decade and helped with the films for the latter half of that time and she was a less experienced writer than he is. GRRM is obviously not going to finish the books but for some reason refuses to admit it.
HBO must have thought he'd have the books finished but instead the series ran out of rail because he'd published nothing in that time and the show was forced to create an ending out of thin air.
Honestly I assumed that other poster was kidding. The first seasons were obviously great and I've no idea how an actor would realise after filming a few episodes that the thing was rubbish.
That's the part that bothers me. I have sympathy over how GRRM screwed them but they rushed the ending too. Between his refusal to publish anything and their refusal to take their time, the ending got screwed.
Yeah, a number of comments and questions came to mind, but I couldn’t be arsed getting into it. If the first seasons are poorly written and have bad acting then I wonder how on earth they managed to persist watching all the way till the end
Also, how thin must the list of good shows be?
Yeah, a number of comments and questions came to mind, but I couldn’t be arsed getting into it. If the first seasons are poorly written and have bad acting then I wonder how on earth they managed to persist watching all the way till the end
Also, how thin must the list of good shows be?
There's definitely a tendency for some people to be really contrarian and insist that popular things aren't good as if it's proof of their great taste. I'm sure there's some posters here that would insist the Simpsons peaked after the 4th episode. We can only guess what they think is actually good.
Why the hell did you watch the whole thing? Seems like if you thought it was as awful as your saying you think it is that you'd just stop after the first season? Such an odd thing to do. Sounds like fantasy type shows aren't your thing.
I'm not judging, I'd just go absolutely mad after watching entire Game of Thrones in a week.
Too bad you hated it though.
For me an issue was the undead Dragon destroyed the mystical magical wall with no issue. But Jon Snow managed to hide behind a normal hill of Stones numerous times.
The visual of the NK raising his arms and the dragon popping his head out of the ice/water could have been awesome. Or not even showing the dragon but just some godzilla shit where you see the blue fire shoot out the water. Or something else. I dunno.
im guessing D&D did what they did because they wanted the visual of the eye opening. But couldnt think of a better way than just some wights which cant swim or dont go into the water (as established earlier in the episode) somehow going into the water to chain up the dead dragon
The visual of the NK raising his arms and the dragon popping his head out of the ice/water could have been awesome. Or not even showing the dragon but just some godzilla shit where you see the blue fire shoot out the water. Or something else. I dunno.
im guessing D&D did what they did because they wanted the visual of the eye opening. But couldnt think of a better way than just some wights which cant swim or dont go into the water (as established earlier in the episode) somehow going into the water to chain up the dead dragon
I also someone speculate that they didn't go with the dragon breaking through the ice, because it could be seen as ripping off the cinematic from World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, but I really doubt that they are aware of it and would refrain from stealing it.
Something that has always bugged me about the later seasons of Game of Thrones was how seemlingly unserious D&D were about it in some ways. The constant cock jokes, putting Ed Sheeran in the show, casting someone from a show they like even though that person barely speak English, etc. And who can forget "Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet".