Oh, god. It's mad isn't it? I'm waiting for the big exposé in a few years when D&D come out and admit they had dirt on an HBO executive who let them do whatever they want, and they spent the entirety of Season 7 and 8 struggling with multiple drug addictions.
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Damnit, I'm watching The Battle of the Bastards again and the bit where Jon is begging Melisandre not to bring him back if he dies again. He says he feels nothing to Sansa. So many missed opportunities for his character and his interactions with Beric. feckity fecking feck. Every time this thread gets bumped...
Is The Investigation any good? Worth watching?
Still makes me laugh that their genius plan to gain Cersei’s support was to go over the wall and capture a wight 
Still makes me laugh that their genius plan to gain Cersei’s support was to go over the wall and capture a wight
What better way to convince people that there is an undead army coming than to produce an undead creature? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Everybody other than those near the wall didn't know or believe it was a reality.
It was a crap plan. And they should have known that Cersei couldn’t be trusted under any circumstances. Jon was always a bit dim though.
Well then what would have been a better way to do it? I cant think of one.
It was insanely overrated to begin with. People just jizzed their pants because it was "different", with main characters being killed off. Certain characters almost consistently escaping death, not so much
First four seasons were extremely good. Character development, dialogues, some brilliant acting performances and amazing scenery, costumes etcetera.
Nah, first two seasons. Then it went downhill.
Totally disagree with this - the frustration that some people had with the final season doesn't mean that the show as a whole wasn't absolutely incredible and probably the best TV ever seen.
Well, that's definitely overrating. There is no way you can compare a show, and I quote the great Ian McShane here, with tits and dragons, to masterpieces like The Wire or The Sopranos, or even something like Mad Men.
I also think it's underrating it to say it wasn't, at its peak, one of TV's great shows. Season's one to four were excellent and the show itself should be remembered for making television a valid space for having movie-esque budgets and battles. Without GoT I don't think we'd be seeing some of the other big budget shows we are now.
So yeah, the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle, season's 1-4, and parts of 5 and 6 should be remembered as top 10 or 20 TV, but it was never anything close to the "best".
It was the best for me anyway but then I'm a geek and love fantasy stuff. It is certainly one of the best tv shows of the last decade. In terms of fantasy it's the best tv show ever made though.
There's not much competition there to be fair!
It has done wonders for the fantasy genre though. I don't think shows like The Witcher or the new LotR series would ever have been made without GoT.
Yeah its been brilliant - really interested to see what they do with this new LOTR show they are making. I enjoyed the Witcher too. This and the new Star Wars shows being made - with the incredible Mandalorian as a starter is absolute bliss for a middle aged geek like myself.
The production value was a big deal too, tbf. It broke ground in that sense. Plus it was an increasingly rare week-to-week watercooler TV show in a time of fragmented viewing. Also, tits and dragons.
It was always a flawed TV show though, mostly due to the logistics of adapting from such an unwieldly source. Even in season 1 critics noted the sense that characters were just being wheeled into place for key set-piece scenes and set-ups rather than there being an even flow to the story. And that strain only increased as the story broadened, quickly resulting in the "filler episodes" people so regularly complained about, characters being parked or run through dead-end plot-lines for whole seasons so other storylines could catch-up, characters being able to teleport from location to location as the plot demanded, characters doing seemingly irrational things because the plot demanded it, etc.
The more it went on though the less the big moments payed off and the more stupid the contrivances required to wheel them into place seemed to be.
Currently watching The Wire and Aidan Gillen has just come into it. He's ropey in this and its reminded me of his performances in GoT.
Very shit
Very shit
At least in The Wire his accent doesn't wander off on a tour of the world's most obscure regions after one season.
What?
That's just my opinion but for me it absolutely was.
Why not? A lot of people up until and including s6 (and even after s7) had this as their best show ever. How does that make it overrated or wrong for them to have that opinion?
And it's not just fan loving when critics over all were rating the episodes and delivery of the episodes as completely high level
Up until a certain point a lot of people had this as their best show they've seen for a number of reasons and s7 and especially s8 won't take that away?
It's gonna come to light that they were dared to ruin it or something like that and they went ahead and did
Or they are just arrogant and thought any half arsed shit would fly
I read somewhere that the fee per episode for the major actors in seasons 7&8 were pretty fecking substantial. So maybe there was a correlation between rushing the latter stages and the greed of the actors, as if they were paid less per episode then we might have gotten more episodes...
The apparent figures from 2017 for the likes of Cersei, Tyrion, Jamie, Jon Snow, Daenerys was $500k per episode and then apparently they were due to earn over 1m per episode for some season 8 episodes - https://www.businessinsider.com/gam...ries-compared-to-highest-paid-tv-stars-2019-4 When you add in the size of the rest of the cast there was some mammoth outgoings on the wage bill by the end of the show due to their previous successes. Bit like our squad.
The apparent figures from 2017 for the likes of Cersei, Tyrion, Jamie, Jon Snow, Daenerys was $500k per episode and then apparently they were due to earn over 1m per episode for some season 8 episodes - https://www.businessinsider.com/gam...ries-compared-to-highest-paid-tv-stars-2019-4 When you add in the size of the rest of the cast there was some mammoth outgoings on the wage bill by the end of the show due to their previous successes. Bit like our squad.
Nah that theory was basically quashed by HBO themselves who said they told D&D they were happy for the show to run for another 3 seasons of 10 episodes. D&D were the ones who decided to end it with 7 and 6 episode seasons.
https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/hbo-wa...eason-even-longer-made-money-available-668906
Biggest shame they wanted to rush the finale. Or just didn't get writers to do it and just needed to over see it and not be as involved and would still get to adapt the star Wars stuff
The long night should have been extended for one. Could have a whole season dealing with the white walker invasion since they have been hyped up since the first episode so its bizarre it was over in just one battle. Usually such a big invasion would be a story in an of itself. When those religious zealots got into Kings Landing, they even lasted a season at the capital. The white walkers spent 7 seasons building up an army in the background only to get stopped at the north which was quite funny. Maybe GRMM intended this which I will also criticise when I read winds of winter (hopefully this year) but I felt it a missed opportunity to go into the real terror of the Walkers and talk of the "long winter/night" where we could have seen the impact on Westeros or the change in landscape and battle for survival. In the end it became just a movie.
(I get the special effects are costly so it may not be viable.)
Most of the effort was into special effects and battle sequences which is....cool....I guess. The last 2 seasons were hot trash. I enjoyed the rest of the series. It is almost universally accepted it was trash ending. even the actors seemed dismayed.
Charles Dance (who played Tywin)
“Well if there was a petition, I would sign it. I mean, I saw it. I continued to watch the whole series even after I’d been killed off in the lavatory.
I know that the finale satisfied a lot of people. It also disappointed a lot of people, and I’m afraid I am in the latter camp.”
And for the whole thing to end up as a committee, I just thought, ‘Hmm, no.’ I would say I was somewhat underwhelmed by.”
Coster-Waldau (Jamie Lannister) said, “I was aware of the petition for a new ending, which I thought was hilarious. I almost wanted to donate to that petition.”
Obviously I can only speak for myself and i was thoroughly disappointed. Then I spoke to my closest friends who gave me verification. Then I saw on the internet that this was a hugely shared sentiment. Then the actors themselves have given me further validation so I know I'm not just "hatin".
I still weep
No. Some of the acting scenes/dialogue are great and memorable. Go back and watch some key characters best bits. It wasn't overrated at all. Some great characters and performances throughout.
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Im absolutely with you
Me too. Still nothing has come close to how much I enjoyed the show. The ending wasnt great, and i'd happily see it remade or extended but I loved the whole thing.
Have been rewatching the whole thing from the beginning recently, halfway through season 8 now.
The first 6 seasons were brilliant, I didn't think I could rewatch it and enjoy it knowing how it ends but I have done. Rewatching it I'm not even bothered about the story lines of the last two seasons and the major issues with it that people have beaten to death already. I suppose its cos I know what happens, and no longer care. It's just the dialogue that annoys me. The first six seasons the dialogue was incredible, there'd be one or two absolutely poetic lines an episode, plus just the general conversations were all just perfect. From Season 7 it's like it's been written by a fan trying to mimic the earlier seasons.
The first 6 seasons were brilliant, I didn't think I could rewatch it and enjoy it knowing how it ends but I have done. Rewatching it I'm not even bothered about the story lines of the last two seasons and the major issues with it that people have beaten to death already. I suppose its cos I know what happens, and no longer care. It's just the dialogue that annoys me. The first six seasons the dialogue was incredible, there'd be one or two absolutely poetic lines an episode, plus just the general conversations were all just perfect. From Season 7 it's like it's been written by a fan trying to mimic the earlier seasons.
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same here, I think a rewatch might be in order
Zack Snyder's Season 8 GoT?
It's amazing because their logic was "Night King needs to get over the wall. So Night King needs a dragon. So the dragons need to come over to him. So Dany needs to be over the wall for some reason."Still makes me laugh that their genius plan to gain Cersei’s support was to go over the wall and capture a wight
Forgetting, of course, that they had previously showed that the mark on Bran's arm was able to reneg any magic that blocked the Night King from entering places he wasn't allowed to.
See? That's a great response! Unlike the Muppets on Reddit.
Best show ever imo. Nothing comes close to the entertainment it brings. Just really fecking annoying they f**ked up a perfectly easy to do ending. Still pisses me off.
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Isn't that because it was?
I still can't believe how this show went out. In terms of "event tv," it's probably the biggest show that's ever been. Nothing comes close to how this show was watched by seemingly everyone and was discussed and analyzed to death each week. The excitement and expectation for the next episode was palpable. I don't think many shows will come near it, and I can't think of many (if any) in the past that has matched it.
But oh boy, did the final two seasons really shit the bed. I was thinking of doing a rewatch but due to the fact that I know what the show ends up being, I can't do it. It such a shame that it was ruined. I know the previous seasons are still great, and the last two can't completely erase them, but its reputation was tarnished immeasurably.
While many shows can't match it at its peak, there are also not many shows where the difference in quality between the earlier seasons and latter seasons is so stark (no pun intended).
But oh boy, did the final two seasons really shit the bed. I was thinking of doing a rewatch but due to the fact that I know what the show ends up being, I can't do it. It such a shame that it was ruined. I know the previous seasons are still great, and the last two can't completely erase them, but its reputation was tarnished immeasurably.
While many shows can't match it at its peak, there are also not many shows where the difference in quality between the earlier seasons and latter seasons is so stark (no pun intended).
Mourinho-esque?