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I think having Bronn end up as Master Of Coin was one of the most logical conclusions to the series.
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Yeah, the guy who admitted he doesn't know what a loan is? Obvious candidate for the job
As someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 4 seasons and would rewatch the hell out of it till that point, the show by the end of it has far more shite one can point out as compared to the quality stuff from initial seasons. On that basis alone this should never be mentioned anywhere near the best shows of all time. There's literally a plethora of utter failures in terms of pretty much every single aspect of a tv show.
Having said that, I don't think there has ever been anything worse in any tv show ever than the writer who purposely, in his full senses, decided to write the line 'I never really cared much for them' and actually thought that should be the finisher on that 8 season long character arc. Of all the things in the world that person could have written, that's what he decided to go with. I can literally pay 1000 guys to watch the show till that point and write what should be the final quote to end that arc and make it as mind-numbingly dumb, out of character and nonsensical to the point of being a parody and it would never end up as bad as that. That's literally how bad that writing was.
It's pretty much an achievement in itself for the same people who created, directed, wrote and fecking watched the show for half of it's duration to feck it all up in the way they did. Requires a special collection of dimwitted brains.
Having said that, I don't think there has ever been anything worse in any tv show ever than the writer who purposely, in his full senses, decided to write the line 'I never really cared much for them' and actually thought that should be the finisher on that 8 season long character arc. Of all the things in the world that person could have written, that's what he decided to go with. I can literally pay 1000 guys to watch the show till that point and write what should be the final quote to end that arc and make it as mind-numbingly dumb, out of character and nonsensical to the point of being a parody and it would never end up as bad as that. That's literally how bad that writing was.
It's pretty much an achievement in itself for the same people who created, directed, wrote and fecking watched the show for half of it's duration to feck it all up in the way they did. Requires a special collection of dimwitted brains.
This
I agree with the rest of the stuff you said esp s8. But i think the poitives of this show vastly outweigh the negatives. The problem is everybody remembers the ending. If they land the ending, I think it goes down as a GOAT show despite s7 and that stupid going beyond the wall episode and what happened in Dorne.
To quote one of my favorite youtubers:
"Isn't he the worst possible candidate for that job?"
"Well, he threatened Tyrion. And he likes coins."
"I guess that qualifies him..."
It really felt like they were just trolling at the point where they wrote that line for Jaime. I mean how could anyone in their right mind write a line like that for a major character in at the time the worlds biggest TV show. They just ruined one of the show best characters in 1 line. Everything in S8 was just a mess. Bran being fairly useless despite being omniscient. Saying he can't be a lord because he's a the 3 eyed crow now and then later reveals he came to King Landing to become king. And then he was picked as king by a council on Tyrion who was on trial. Jon I feel at least should have scrapped with the Ice King, since essentially Jon and him had eyed each other as rivals for some seasons. The Others was always Jon's battle in my opinon. Instead Arya just jumps out of nowhere and stabs him. I felt Arya should have killed Cersei instead, it would be much in keeping with her story since she trained to become a faceless man to revenge her father and family. Jon just ends up becoming fairly useless and gets sent back to the wall, despite the fact he's the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna is a major theme in the series. Davos suggesting the unsullied should start their own house. I mean it just gets worse worse. And Brann becoming king of the seven kingdoms because he has "the best story"? I don't understand how they couldn't have done a timeout and hired some writers since they were clearly bored and burned out.
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Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Six kingdoms, Sansa got independence. And the others sat there not asking for it as well, especially Yara, who asked Dany for it before.
Well yeah but they didn't. And it wasn't just not as good or satisfying as it could have been. It was literally extraordinary dogshit beyond belief.
I thought Bronn was one of the worst characters. He served his purpose well in the first few seasons, but then just seemed a bit of a caricature.
Does is affect your enjoyment of the earlier seasons when you rewatch it, though? This seems to be the How I Met Your Mother debate. The finale there turned off some people off the same way this show's final seasons did.
Of course it does. There's a whole lot of part in previous seasons where entire sequences are built over the threat of white walkers and what will happen when they finally cross the wall. Knowing they're gonna die like a bunch of stupid zombie cnuts after standing around for a few minutes in a battle with no lights with the so called greatest threat in the history of this world etc etc getting stabbed by a feckall main character clad in plot armor. What the feck is the point of watching all that build up after that point. This isn't a sitcom.
It's been a while since I've watched the show and I forgot about that. And I fully agree with you. That was a disastrous storyline decision and it did feel as if the hours of television they spent developing that storyline were wasted.
I see what you're saying, in a sense. Scenes dedicated to story arcs which culminated in a botched finish are difficult to rewatch, because you know what's coming.
I know they didnt and im not disagreeing with that.
But overall, as a show, for me theres more positives than negatives rather than the other way around.
Reading the comments here reminded me of the disappointment and anger I had at season 8.
feck me they really screwed over a fanbase with their laziness/stupidity.
feck me they really screwed over a fanbase with their laziness/stupidity.
"Dany kind of forgot that Euron has dragon killing spears".
feck its all coming back now.
Those utter utter bastards!
feck its all coming back now.
Those utter utter bastards!
forgot that they actually said this. This was the moment I realised they’d lost all interest in the show & just wanted it done - no matter how much the events in the final season didn’t make sense/were rushed. Imbeciles.What's even funnier is basically two or three scenes before the whole team is talking about eurons fleet
I seconds this! I've moved on and put all this pain behind me....only to start reliving it now again
Someone should lock this thread and let it get lost into oblivion.
The scene where one of the dragons get shot down is awful on so many levels. First, how does Daenerys not see them? Obviously the ships see the dragons well enough to hit them, but Daenerys is completely oblivious to them, because they are behind a rock of something. Makes no sense. Second, the precision of the bolt throwers goes from Godlike to Stormtrooper from one cut to the next. They hit their first three shots on a moving target hundreds of yards in the air, but then fail to ever hit a shot again - even when Daenerys is flying straight at them. Honestly can't believe this stuff made it to the screen.
I think it should be bumped every year until we get a reboot
It was all just really ludicrous. Everything you said is a prime example of someone going what would be the shortest thing weed could do here and then doing it.
I cannot see how you could rewatch this show and I loved it so much when you know just how completely messed up the ending is and how much they ruined all the plotlines and theories.
Arya and all that time she spent becoming a great assassin when she eventually just appears out of thin air from a great height to kill the main villain
Jon Snow was pretty much the focal point from the first episode yet at the end his entire storyline meant absolutely nothing and we never even got see people reacting to who he was .
Maybe Sansa had a proper arc and ending but who else.
Bran ending up as King when he disappeared from the site for ages and offered nothing more than a bit of eye rolling when he did appear is truly the work of a master troll.
If he had the best story shame we never saw it
Remake Season 8 of GoT!!!! If it can happen to JL it should happen here.
That just takes me back to Season Seven.
Cersei - "Qyburn. Have you been successful in finding a way to destroy the Targaryen bitch's dragons?"
Qyburn - "Yes your grace. I have devised an incredible machine that will help us defeat these wretched creatures. It is an unstoppable machine and those scaled bastards will rue the day they were hatched."
Cersei - "Good! I can't wait to see such an incredible machine! How did you overcome the dragonscale problem?"
Qyburn - "....your Grace?"
Cersei - "You know; the super tough scales on the entire dragon's body. Not even a big scorpion device could penetrate it."
Qyburn - "But the Dornish used a scorpion to..."
Cersei - "Yeah, by firing it in the dragon's fecking eye all the way through its brain. Pretty impossible shot to make, which is why it's only ever happened once in history."
Qyburn - "......"
Cersei - "You've just built a scorpion haven't you?"
Qyburn - "........."
Cersei - "For fecks sake."
I’m more bitter about not learning any more about the other sexy red priestess. They just...kind of forgot about her.
To quote Benjen Stark; "there's no time."
Also Jaime’s storyline pissed me off. His entire storyline was about redemption. And then he just goes back to Cersei at the last minute. Feck off.
Last minute heel turn was what D&D did
Even that doesn't fully capture how bad it was, because it would be possible to have an interesting arc where a character goes on a redemption journey only to ultimately fall to their worst impulses in the end. But this felt like the writers were just throwing stuff at the screen.
It echoes the problems of a lot of the final seasons, where I couldn't tell if they made deliberate character choices they executed badly or were just taking plot short-cuts that they didn't actually realise would impact the way the viewer perceived their characters.
Though we probably shouldn't be surprised given the show had previously and unintentionally had Jaime rape someone. It's strange to think they could lose control over their own fictional characters but they managed it.
I'm rewatching at the moment and I came to what I consider the worst bit of the show.
This was season 4, so not sure exactly how it played out in the book but:
(Also not sure if spoilers are still required)
This was season 4, so not sure exactly how it played out in the book but:
(Also not sure if spoilers are still required)
For me, the Oberyn arc just doesn't sit right with me.
A person who comes across as a great fighter, dies in such a pathetic way.
When he goes against The Mountain, he makes it look a man against boy sort of fight. Yet gets killed in the way that he does.
I'd have much rather introduce a few random Lannister members that he ends up killing before coming against the mountain in a tough fight for both that he ends up dying in or something else.
'I wrote a super OP character but need to kill him off quickly
Rant over
A person who comes across as a great fighter, dies in such a pathetic way.
When he goes against The Mountain, he makes it look a man against boy sort of fight. Yet gets killed in the way that he does.
I'd have much rather introduce a few random Lannister members that he ends up killing before coming against the mountain in a tough fight for both that he ends up dying in or something else.
'I wrote a super OP character but need to kill him off quickly
Rant over
That was actually incredibly faithful to the book so it wasn't a decision by them. I also totally disagree. Oberyn basically beat the mountain in that fight, which was an incredible feat. But he got cocky and he pushed too hard to get an answer from him. It was a perfect example of the sheer power the mountain has. Brilliant scene.I'm rewatching at the moment and I came to what I consider the worst bit of the show.
This was season 4, so not sure exactly how it played out in the book but:
(Also not sure if spoilers are still required)
For me, the Oberyn arc just doesn't sit right with me.
A person who comes across as a great fighter, dies in such a pathetic way.
When he goes against The Mountain, he makes it look a man against boy sort of fight. Yet gets killed in the way that he does.
I'd have much rather introduce a few random Lannister members that he ends up killing before coming against the mountain in a tough fight for both that he ends up dying in or something else.
'I wrote a super OP character but need to kill him off quickly
Rant over
In fairness they also didn't make Oberyn nearly as likable or central to the plot in the book so they were obviously doing it for a bigger reaction to his death
Personally I thought Oberyn's final scene was great. I already knew from the book and obviously wanted him to win, but anyway when the time came for the show to pull it off I was looking forward to all the reactions. His scene with Tyrion in the prison is one of the best of the series.
Plus a large reason that scene has the impact it does is precisely because of the way he is presented beforehand. Audiences aren't used to having that sort of character killed so soon and so brutally, in much the same way they aren't used to having lead characters like Ned Stark get killed by the end of season 1. Subverting audience expectations is an excellent thing when done well.