Euron’s big introduction, a scene that gets dumber and dumber the further it goes (“hey, they stole our ships!” “no bother we’ll just build more”):
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Dealbreaker for me was the fact that Arya and that big dude soent about 5 seasons traveling 3 miles, than in season 7, everyone does 5 laps of Westeros in the span of some 20 minutes.
It's like me making a long and eloquent post on the caf and half way through getting bored and thinking feck it, Ill end with a hastily thought up analogy and a joke.
Someone pull my finger.
(lololol democracy, sit down Sam you tit).
It's like me making a long and eloquent post on the caf and half way through getting bored and thinking feck it, Ill end with a hastily thought up analogy and a joke.
Someone pull my finger.
(lololol democracy, sit down Sam you tit).
Sand snakes and dorne were a big big issue for me in s5. They got too much time and plot which is a shame as Viper was just badass. Everybody else was a disappointment.
They got severely cut back in s6 from what I can remember.
Everything euron was bad except him throwing that other old Fart greyjoy of the bridge
Warning signs were there in season 4:
Dorne seemed so interesting after Oberyn and it looked like it had massive potential in the previews. Such a colossal letdown. Between the sand cnuts and the masked muppets I'm struggling to decide with storyline was the most tumescent and pointless.
As fuming as I was with how it all ended, I'd watch it all over again. It was just amazing in parts.
Yep rewatching it now, just finished the great war. Will so my full opinion write up after, there is definitely some major plot holes, but its the best tv show ive seen. Ridiculously good
Spoils of War? I can rewatch that battle endlessly.
Unfortunately for me it's Hardhome. If it was simply just an outlier episode compared to the rest of the show's tone, maybe with a couple more like Battle of the Bastards and The Winds of Winter then it would be fine. And up until those parts of Season 5 and 6 they really were just big Set Piece episodes that managed to have such an strong impact because they were so different to the tone and pace set up by the rest of the show. But, instead, D&D decided to make these sort of bombastic episodes the norm (probably because they were so popular, which was really only because of the tonal shift compared to the episodes surrounding them, but there's no way they would ever understand that because they're fecking tubes).
In the hands of a more competent duo then they would have probably realised the importance of maintaining the show's moderate and developing pace and how it compliments the bigger set piece moments, but instead we had two guys who saw the popularity of the big moments and just assumed flinging one at us every scene would be just as effective.
That's kinda unfair to D&D I think. The first four seasons are TV perfection, 5-6-7 are 9/10 with some great set piece episodes.
From their interviews, it seems they lost motivation to do the same show for too long and decided to finish in 8 seasons, and thus the pace picking up around the 6th season. I remember one of the showrunners saying it was their goal to be able to do the red wedding episode while they were pitching the show.
It would have been better if HBO had picked different showrunners but with similar sensibilities after maybe season 5-6 and extend the show to at least season 10.
Hell, Season 8 had two good episodes - E2 and E3. I mean, sure E2 made you think we were getting ready to say goodbye to a bunch of people in E3 and it means on rewatch it's disappointing. And E3 ends in such a pathetic way that it's also disappointing on rewatch. But I don't think that takes away how much they showed the two best sides of the show.
Episode 2 is peak GoT character development. Like all the other Nutter directed/written episodes it takes its time, it shows relatable characters, and the dialogue for the most part is strong. Episode 3 shows off the spectacle portion of the show in the way that Sapochnik does better than anyone. His DoP is the best one GoT have had, and even with the poor dark levels he hits his shots perfectly. The music, the editing, all of it oozes perfect audiovisual storytelling. Personally I would probably jizz my pants in every ten seconds if Nutter wrote the show and Sapochnik directed it.
There's no denying that they deserve praise for taking something as big as ASoIaF and adapting it for TV - because holy shit that was a monumental task. And at their best they were able to do it but I also think that they missed the point of the story. The last few months have made me believe more and more that they never really understood GRRM's work. If you watch their interviews about it they also talk about how "shocking" it was to read. They never talk much about how it made them reflect on how the characters' actions led them to that fate, and that's why I feel they were the wrong choice. I think they understood "how" the Red Wedding was such a big moment, but not "why".
I think that is very difficult, even impossible, to convey that with the visual medium esp. in comparison to the ASOIF books which is all POV chapters.
But they did do it, by following the pacing of GRRM's work. The narrative was already there for them; set up an arc, build to the moment, show that actions have consequences, use (usually) Episode 10 to have characters wax lyrically about what the defeated characters did to lead them to this point. They did it for each of the final episodes of the first three seasons because that's how they're set up in the books.
Once they were on their own they didn't do any of this because they were entirely focused on "subverting expectations" rather than showing cause and effect.
I think once they got past the easily adaptable part of the story which would be book 3, it went downhill and only via the sheer inertia of talent in the directors/actors/music creators and $$$ at their disposal that S5 & 6 were tolerable to very good.
Yeah, pretty much imo. I'll say again that they are excellent as adapting work but I genuinely think they didn't really understand the books in their entirety. And that's not saying that the books are perfect because, feck me, they can get tedious at times.
Yes. Remember watching that the first time.
Even including the great reaction to hearing the name was Dickon.
The end part with the last second save was whatever but it didn't spoil the episode overall (although danys troops not looking for Jaime next episode was annoying)
Yeah I think this is true. Ep2 imo had a great moment too where Brienne was knighted. It was a great moment before it was all gonna come crashing down.
Strangely enough I think the issue is that both episodes were back to back as standalone they were both good (some of ep3 illogical stuff out the way)
But ep3 excelled in different ways (and I never had the darkness issue others had so didn't realise it until I saw people mention it on the internet) ha
Yep just finished episode 3 and after episode 2 there definitely needed to be more deaths and a couple of main character ones.
I think jaime had to die. He and Cersei ended the way it should have ended in series 7 when he finally seen her for what she was. He should have died at the battle saving brienne who then goes on to finish his chapter in the book.
Need to finish it but is probably have killed of davos as well there and then as well.
2 more key characters deaths would just made the build up to the great war a bit more believable.
Them getting steamrolled by white walkers at winter fell and somehow they were they alive. I literally thought Tourmund, Brianne and Jaime died that moment. Would have been unexpected and brilliant.
I think brienne needed to live to complete Jaime's chapter in the book. But either of the other 2 or both could have happened
Yeah I know, just in the moment I expected characters to just get wiped out, since it being GOT after all. Was hoping for Brianne to write something like “his legacy will live on” meaning she would be pregnant with Jaime, a last Lannister other then Tyrion.
Hmm thats a twist i could have got on board with if they didnt have Cersei being pregnant again.
Also dont think they should have had arya and gendry sleeping together. That was against her storyline and character.
Why? She was an 18/19 year old who'd never had sex and might die the next day. Seemed pretty normal to me. I just didn't like that they actually went and showed so much of her
Episode two was the only decent episode in S8, the rest was garbage.
eh? Was she a member of the night's watch or something?
No but she had zero boys/men, just thought it was a bit random for her
Jon standing in front of the dragon was weird as well. Not sure what that accomplished or what he intended
You mean when he screamed at even though he had no idea everything was just about to end?
He probably thought that the dragon was losing its strength since it couldn't breathe fire strong enough to destroy the wee wall he was hiding behind even though it had managed to destroy The Wall at the end of Season 7.
I assume he thought he was about to die and was screaming in defiance? feck knows.
I see we we on to retrospectively shitting on the earlier seasons now as well.
I see we we on to retrospectively shitting on the earlier seasons now as well.
To be fair, S5 onwards was the point it started to degrade a bit as the book material was running out. It was mentioned in the thread that some storylines were a bit shit aka Sandsnakes got a feck ton of abuse. Nothing new.
She had strong chemistry with Gendry in fairness, it wasn't some random dude. Besides it was what was plausibly her last night on earth, she did what any virgin would do even if sex wasn't high on their priorities. Either that or talk to 2 old shits at the top of a castle, as she put it herself.
I don't agree that it was all bad after season 4.
Season 6 was pretty good. The Door, Bastardbowl and the season finale were all great episodes. The thing about the first 4 seasons is that even the boring episodes were good. For two reasons: King's Landing and GRRM dialogue. Almost every conversation in Westeros(the Dany storyline was always a bore, imo) was intriguing. This quickly went downhill after season 4. Mainly because a lot of great characters left King's Landing.
Season 6 was pretty good. The Door, Bastardbowl and the season finale were all great episodes. The thing about the first 4 seasons is that even the boring episodes were good. For two reasons: King's Landing and GRRM dialogue. Almost every conversation in Westeros(the Dany storyline was always a bore, imo) was intriguing. This quickly went downhill after season 4. Mainly because a lot of great characters left King's Landing.
I think right up to they went north of the wall for proof of the dead in season 7was v.good
Had some dodgey moments of course but every show does.
Season 7 ending trying to convince Cersei to join them was good as well.
Season 8 espsidoes 1 and 2 were fine for the most part.
The great battle a few simple changes could have went a long way to making that perfect.
Its season 8 epsiode 4 were it all starts going wrong on rewatch for me
Had some dodgey moments of course but every show does.
Season 7 ending trying to convince Cersei to join them was good as well.
Season 8 espsidoes 1 and 2 were fine for the most part.
The great battle a few simple changes could have went a long way to making that perfect.
Its season 8 epsiode 4 were it all starts going wrong on rewatch for me
Yeah, as much as the material running out took it down, it was also down to good characters and actors leaving. Season 4 ending was a massacre. We lost Tywin and in essence Tyrion. They were never able to fill that hole.
Varys and Littlefinger also effectively died after they left King's Landing.
Ooh, ooh, I have one! *raises hand* Thought I'd join in. What's everyone's least favourite storyline from each season?
Season 1 - None really, but if I had to choose.... maybe Dany's story up until Visyers gets killed?
Season 2 - Dany's adventures in Qarth. Where were her dragons?
Season 3 - None really, but if I had to choose... maybe the repeated visits to Ramsay's torture chamber?
Season 4 - None at all. Think it's a perfect season of TV.
Season 5 - Jaime and Bronn's stealth mission to Dorne... in broad daylight!
Season 6 - The Waif chases Arya around Braavos for two days!
Season 7 - Baelish turning Arya against Sansa, because reasons?
Season 8 - None really, but if I had to choose... it felt wrong when Jaime & Brienne slept together.
Season 1 - None really, but if I had to choose.... maybe Dany's story up until Visyers gets killed?
Season 2 - Dany's adventures in Qarth. Where were her dragons?
Season 3 - None really, but if I had to choose... maybe the repeated visits to Ramsay's torture chamber?
Season 4 - None at all. Think it's a perfect season of TV.
Season 5 - Jaime and Bronn's stealth mission to Dorne... in broad daylight!
Season 6 - The Waif chases Arya around Braavos for two days!
Season 7 - Baelish turning Arya against Sansa, because reasons?
Season 8 - None really, but if I had to choose... it felt wrong when Jaime & Brienne slept together.
I was going to make a separate thread about changing S8 but don’t think it’s allowed. BUT just for the sake of wasting a bit of time.
Everything that has happened in S8 doesn’t changed. But you can tweak it a small bit to make sense or make it better. IE. Arya still kills NK, Drogon burns Kings Landing.
Everything that has happened in S8 doesn’t changed. But you can tweak it a small bit to make sense or make it better. IE. Arya still kills NK, Drogon burns Kings Landing.