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It’s because really the NK is a boring character. He can’t speak. He doesn’t offer any personality.

They needed to get past him.

I actually liked the way they portrayed him. His lack of emotion (mostly) and fleeting appearances added to the intrigue and suspense for me.

However, the battle was just too easy in the end. There were very few, if any major character losses, certainly none to shock or really hit the audience. And the fact the northern and Dany’s armies seemingly respawned for the march on KL only adds to this.

I enjoyed the general cinematography of the NK battle, and some of the scenes I thought were excellent, but the whole thing has been portrayed almost as an inconvenience / warm up battle. It’s frustrating considering they had been building this up for years, and even more so when the KL episode turned out to be pretty underwhelming in the end anyway.
 
I actually liked the way they portrayed him. His lack of emotion (mostly) and fleeting appearances added to the intrigue and suspense for me.

However, the battle was just too easy in the end. There were very few, if any major character losses, certainly none to shock or really hit the audience. And the fact the northern and Dany’s armies seemingly respawned for the march on KL only adds to this.

I enjoyed the general cinematography of the NK battle, and some of the scenes I thought were excellent, but the whole thing has been portrayed almost as an inconvenience / warm up battle. It’s frustrating considering they had been building this up for years, and even more so when the KL episode turned out to be pretty underwhelming in the end anyway.

After the fact, but it just seemed like a way to seemingly even the odds between Dany and Cersei, even though Dany still annihilated her.
 
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I actually liked the way they portrayed him. His lack of emotion (mostly) and fleeting appearances added to the intrigue and suspense for me.

However, the battle was just too easy in the end. There were very few, if any major character losses, certainly none to shock or really hit the audience. And the fact the northern and Dany’s armies seemingly respawned for the march on KL only adds to this.

I enjoyed the general cinematography of the NK battle, and some of the scenes I thought were excellent, but the whole thing has been portrayed almost as an inconvenience / warm up battle. It’s frustrating considering they had been building this up for years, and even more so when the KL episode turned out to be pretty underwhelming in the end anyway.

That’s a good point actually... why have any of the Dothraki still alive after the white walker battle? Just have this massive army all die.

This would have meant her assault on Kings Landing could have been justified. She could have sent in her Unsullied and it be an equal battle. Sensing that she would struggle and might not get her rightful crown she burns everyone to a crisp.

Surely that makes a lot more sense from a storytelling perspective? Adds credence to the threat of the Night king and then makes Dany’s turn more acceptable.
 
After the fact, but it just seemed like a way to seemingly even the odds between Dany and Cersei, even though Dany still annihilated her.

The northern armies should have been absolutely decimated, and yeah, for all the talk of scorpions, eurons great fleets, the golden company etc, enter the overpowered dragon for a complete anticlimax
 
So im guessing the reason brienne Sam gendry, smaller main characters, weren't killed in the nk battle was because they wanted them to be on the new council as the last of their house?
 
That’s a good point actually... why have any of the Dothraki still alive after the white walker battle? Just have this massive army all die.

This would have meant her assault on Kings Landing could have been justified. She could have sent in her Unsullied and it be an equal battle. Sensing that she would struggle and might not get her rightful crown she burns everyone to a crisp.

Surely that makes a lot more sense from a storytelling perspective? Adds credence to the threat of the Night king and then makes Dany’s turn more acceptable.

That would’ve made much more sense as would several other (or probably any other) scenarios, but they had to turn it into goodies vs baddies with Dany as the pantomime villain
 
They did this with Euron and the Sand Snakes and they were absolutely terrible. If the Dorne and Iron Islands plots hadn’t been so unpopular (and badly written) maybe you could’ve got a few more decent seasons out of the show but having only a few remaining plots and characters, you’d have to really drag them out to make the 9-10 seasons worthwhile.
True.

Why are the old new characters so much better than the new new characters?
 
True.

Why are the old new characters so much better than the new new characters?

Because for some reason the writers decided to change them. Euron is not recognizable as the original character, and the Sand Snakes are caricatures. And anyway the writers left out the most interesting characters from Dorne.
 
Man I was so looking forward to dorne after season 4. I blame the actor for oberyn for being so cool
 
So im guessing the reason brienne Sam gendry, smaller main characters, weren't killed in the nk battle was because they wanted them to be on the new council as the last of their house?
Yep no way were they killing them off.
 
Man I was so looking forward to dorne after season 4. I blame the actor for oberyn for being so cool


Oberyn was a boss.

Imagine how fecking disappointed he would have been in his shit paramore and daughters. Yeah go ahead and kill his brother and nephew, that is really honouring his memory. Tits.
 
His scenes with Tyrion were so good.

The one in the prison was fantastic acting all round, I've watched it over and over again. So good.

Shame Oberyn wasn't round for too long, he exuded charisma and every scene with him in was entertaining.

You want to see how to do small council humour well? Go watch Oberyn's council scenes. Fecking fantastic.
 
Why do you need to post a video for that? You've already posted about your feelings :nervous:

Because there's far more to that video than just what I've expressed in this thread and it's an interesting, rational approach to why s7/s8 felt different.

There's lots in that video I haven't mentioned and it's the best summary video I've watched about it, so why wouldn't I put it up?
 
I dunno, just find it funny that a 33 min video sums up your feelings given the posts you've already placed

Have no issue with you sharing btw @SquishyMcSquish
 
I dunno, just find it funny that a 33 min video sums up your feelings given the posts you've already placed

Have no issue with you sharing btw @SquishyMcSquish

Tbh he uses different examples and brings up other things I haven't even talked about. Some of the general points sums up exactly how I feel (that every element but writing was present and that D&D struggled when they had to write their own stuff) but there's some really nice focus on some scenes in particular.

It's also nice that he highlights some of the scenes from this season which were actually very good.
 
I think the problem is that Jon ultimately became a bit of a boring character bleating the same lines over and over after he was was resurrected.

He was much more fun when he wasn't a leader and was given far better material. He also had good chemistry with the actors who played Mance and Jeor.

Honestly, the show was always going to become worse the more Daenerys centric it got. After Khal Drogo died, her plots were always dull and repetitive and every character suddenly got way less interesting once they became involved with her.
 
Nice to see the salt being used for something good. The r/freefolk subreddit raised over £20,000 in less than 48 hours for a charity Emilia Clarke set up to help young people with brain injuries.
 
So im guessing the reason brienne Sam gendry, smaller main characters, weren't killed in the nk battle was because they wanted them to be on the new council as the last of their house?
Lots of smaller main characters have died.

If you work your way backwards from the ending, of course some people are going to be the last to survive.

That's how stories work. They focus on the ones who will be there at the beginning, middle and end.
 
How long before we hear serious talk of a reboot? 10 years? If Martin shocks us all and finishes the damn series that could provide the push for a new version.

Pure speculation, and it won't happen, idly I would hope they would learn from the failures of this show, make it more of a character lead project rather than one driven by key events. From Season 3 onward It always felt like a greatest hits version of ASOIAF, rushing to the key scenes without the character development that would make those scenes as powerful as they could be, weak versions of Dany, Jon, Stannis among others.

Massive commercial and cultural success, but artistically, a lot of wasted potential. It could have been much better than it was.
 
I cant see a reboot for a long time. As shaky as the last two seasons were, the rest was pretty much awesome.

If anything, would have to be 25+ years like BSG.
 
I cant see a reboot for a long time. As shaky as the last two seasons were, the rest was pretty much awesome.

If anything, would have to be 25+ years like BSG.
Suicide Squad is getting a reboot after 2 years.

Game of Thrones, 2021. We go again. This does not slip now.
 
Rebooting Game of fecking Thrones :lol:

Some of you need to rewatch the first 6 seasons.
I think it may be possible, when/if the book series will have been finished. That's at least 10 years by itself, maybe 20, if we assume GRRM dies first and someone else will finish the last book(s) for him.