Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

It’s because really the NK is a boring character. He can’t speak. He doesn’t offer any personality.

They needed to get past him.

He was boring because they made him boring. If he had been linked back to the Starks or Targaeryans somewhow and they wrote a cohesive backstory it would have been fascinating and raised the stakes even more. Missed a golden opportunity on that front because they simply didn't give a shit.
 
He was boring because they made him boring. If he had been linked back to the Starks or Targaeryans somewhow and they wrote a cohesive backstory it would have been fascinating and raised the stakes even more. Missed a golden opportunity on that front because they simply didn't give a shit.
Create your own head canon. In mine his mother is Jon Snow who was inseminated by a time travelling Bran back when he was in that cave with Ygritte.
 
Create your own head canon. In mine his mother is Jon Snow who was inseminated by a time travelling Bran back when he was in that cave with Ygritte.

:lol: Still somehow makes more sense than the council scenes in the final episode.
 
He's saying Seasons 7 & 8 for the Night King plot. Maybe it's because I've still got The Walking Dead on my mind but after two seasons of the battle with a certain bad guy it felt way too contrived. Besides, if the war against the Army of the Dead lasts two whole seasons then there's only one outcome there and that's The Night King wins. Even if Jon defeats him there's going to be no one left at that point.

Personally I would have preferred Season 7 to stay the mess it was, Season 8 is the Night King and Season 9 being Cersei/Dany conquest. Tens a nice number but I can't see what would fit into it.

Bran turns into an evil mad king who breaks everyone's legs after hearing Bran the Broken one too many times?


True, I think that's the biggest sticking point. Two whole seasons of the war would have been a bit of a stretch, but I think an entire season would have been reasonable.

Obviously during that time not all the focus had to be on the army of the dead, we could have switched to minor characters suffering from the repercussions of that, Cersei consolidating her power while everyone is trying to save the world etc etc. Basically what the human characters are doing in response to the apocalyptic event which is impacting their lives.

That's what GoT has always been about for me. The dragons and zombies are fun and all, and make for some cool set pieces, but all my favourites scenes are mostly people talking. A couple of set pieces might enter my top five (Battle of the Bastards, Hardhome) but Tywin and Arya talking in Harrenhal, Tyrion's trial and Tyrion/Oberyn talking in his jailcell are my top three favourite game of thrones scenes.

If I had a choice between what we got (the war lasting 3 episodes, with 2/3 of that being filler!) and it being stretched in to two seasons, I choose the latter every time. Personally the war against the dead was never as interesting to me as the war for the throne, but it would still have been nice to really explore the white walkers and the way other Houses reacted to the threat of the dead, but we just didn't get that.

What I am interested in is the prequels, and whether they'll potentially feature the white walkers and maybe give us some backstory. Haven't really done much research on what they'll all be about though.
 
:lol: Still somehow makes more sense than the council scenes in the final episode.

Rest of Westerosi nobility upon hearing Bran has been made King: 'Fecking who?'

Rest of Westerosi nobility upon hearing his nickname: 'he's called fecking WHAT?'
 
The issue of having more seasons for GoT would be that the plot armor problem would be ten times worse.

Either that or you somehow have a final season with about three major characters left.
 
I do like how everybody is coming up with options / alternatives, but the same problems, nobody is agreeing or finding issues with whats been proposed.

I think most do agree that it needed more time, however. Defo one more season at least.
 
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Emilia Clarke sure suffered in making this final season :lol:
 
The Night King spent 8 seasons being built up. He looked menacing and is one of the focal points of the show. He managed to kill only Theon. What a massive threat he was.
 
I would have preferred the Kings Landing / game of thrones stuff to have come first, then an absolute bloodbath of a battle with the NK to round the series off.

The more I think about it the more I feel they underplayed the NK a bit in the end.
They should have had Dany make everyone stand aside and let the dead March on King's Landing. Then have the battle with the Night King.
It would have shown her losing it a bit, while still being justifiable as a tactic, for her to appear as as hero, saving the city.
 
They should have had Dany make everyone stand aside and let the dead March on King's Landing. Then have the battle with the Night King.
It would have shown her losing it a bit, while still being justifiable as a tactic, for her to appear as as hero, saving the city.
:lol: What?

Does she just walk up to the Night King and say "heeeey, so I know there's like 100,000 people in Winterfell but whaddaya say you skip on past us and go down to King's Landing and wipe out our enemies instead?"

I never thought it possible but some of these alternative endings are actually worse than the real thing.
 
The issue of having more seasons for GoT would be that the plot armor problem would be ten times worse.

Either that or you somehow have a final season with about three major characters left.
Basically that is what they should have done.

The main characters from the first seasons (Ned/Jeffery/king robert/his brother/Tedd stark/etc) are all dead

You have to introduce new ones
 
:lol: What?

Does she just walk up to the Night King and say "heeeey, so I know there's like 100,000 people in Winterfell but whaddaya say you skip on past us and go down to King's Landing and wipe out our enemies instead?"

I never thought it possible but some of these alternative endings are actually worse than the real thing.
Yeah. I meant stand at the roadside waving.:p
 
Basically that is what they should have done.

The main characters from the first seasons (Ned/Jeffery/king robert/his brother/Tedd stark/etc) are all dead

You have to introduce new ones

They did this with Euron and the Sand Snakes and they were absolutely terrible. If the Dorne and Iron Islands plots hadn’t been so unpopular (and badly written) maybe you could’ve got a few more decent seasons out of the show but having only a few remaining plots and characters, you’d have to really drag them out to make the 9-10 seasons worthwhile.
 
..... Cersei begins to talk about the future. A second chance with their new baby. About getting revenge. She lays it all out in great sadistic detail with a far away look in her eye. Her eyes go wide as she feels the blade glide across her throat. She gurgles and spurts blood as she turns her head to look at Jamie. Her expression asks why, jamie tells her. “For my brother, for my mother, and for my father, Ned Stark.” And then plunges the dagger into Cersei’s heart.
....
I would have loved that.
 
Here's Martin writing yesterday:

How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different?

Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes.

I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget. They had six hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them. And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one. There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to...
Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet. And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…


The main plotlines in the books will be like in the show, but the books (if ever finished) will do a much better work at making the story plausible.

Here is one example, Jon Snow is clearly Azor Azahi. And indeed he saves the world by killing the woman he loves. That fits the prophecy, except that we all assumed that the thing he saves the world from is the wight walkers. Instead, it is from his aunt/girlfriend who is convinced that her destiny is to conquer the world. This is clearly planned by GRRM, with hints and misdirections planted troughout the books.
 
I know of her. Did she say anything antisemetic? :eek:

Yes, yes she did. Quite a lot in fact. The one that sticks out in my mind I cant type out here because its a rape joke. If she had tweeted it instead of it being part of her stand up Id imagine shed get crucified in todays uber PC culture.
 
They did this with Euron and the Sand Snakes and they were absolutely terrible. If the Dorne and Iron Islands plots hadn’t been so unpopular (and badly written) maybe you could’ve got a few more decent seasons out of the show but having only a few remaining plots and characters, you’d have to really drag them out to make the 9-10 seasons worthwhile.
Always felt Ned's death left a vaccum in the show and that hasn't changed for me. The two main ones - Jon and Dany - were never as alluring and interesting enough to me. Post Ned (and Robert), it was Rob, Jon, Arya, Sansa, Cersie and Dany - so felt a little weak. The impact and poignancy of the lead character dying was terrific but in terms of the mantle being carried forward I feel it hurt the show.

Although most people like Jon, maybe he could have been cast better ? Or written as a more interesting person?
 
Always felt Ned's death left a vaccum in the show and that hasn't changed for me. The two main ones - Jon and Dany - were never as alluring and interesting enough to me. Post Ned (and Robert), it was Rob, Jon, Arya, Sansa, Cersie and Dany - so felt a little weak. The impact and poignancy of the lead character dying was terrific but in terms of the mantle being carried forward I feel it hurt the show.

Although most people like Jon, maybe he could have been cast better ? Or written as a more interesting person?

I think the problem is that Jon ultimately became a bit of a boring character bleating the same lines over and over after he was was resurrected.

He was much more fun when he wasn't a leader and was given far better material. He also had good chemistry with the actors who played Mance and Jeor.
 
I think the problem is that Jon ultimately became a bit of a boring character bleating the same lines over and over after he was was resurrected.

He was much more fun when he wasn't a leader and was given far better material. He also had good chemistry with the actors who played Mance and Jeor.


Jons stuff with Alliser was good too. (and with Ygritte). I agree his stuff and lines fter resurrection wasnt great.