Somehow that episode managed to be both incredibly rushed (as per this whole season) and ridiculously slow (feck me there was a lot of walking....and staring... At one point I genuinely thought the show had paused for buffering)... Which is quite an achievement.
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They should have handed it over if they wanted to do something else and return for the final ep or consult or something. I would have been happy with that format and it would have given moments space to breath
Well that, was fecking dreadful.
It had the same problem as The Dark Tower by Stephen King. It's not unique to that kind of story, even Dallas had it. But King explained it. It's the kind of story where it is about the storytelling, the journey, not about an end to it. The premise here about the endless power play is clear. Considering they had no more material from the writer, and it's not made to end, they didn't do so bad, but of course it was not top level writing. It lost the titties and Red Wedding grit and smartness since they were left on their own. Same winner as the Dark Tower (the storytelling), but King did oblige with the killer ending where it surprised you on the very last page. GOT didn't provide exactly that, and had some blah LOTR ending elements thrown in as well.
You're assuming they could write script with good plot, dialogue and character development for 3 seasons, without having GRRM's books to do the work for them? Why?
Thinking of how good this show was first few seasons.
Honestly this is why I don't like when fantasy elements come into play. Ever since the whole white walker thing it's been plot holes all over. We need some good old shows like the Sopranos back!
Honestly this is why I don't like when fantasy elements come into play. Ever since the whole white walker thing it's been plot holes all over. We need some good old shows like the Sopranos back!
When you think about it Bran is probably the most evil feck in the whole show. He knows exactly what will happen and played everybody like a pawn even up to telling Jon he’s the true heir so it messed up his relationship with Dany.
Then he wheels in at the end with the line ‘that’s why I came all this way’ after being asked to take the crown with a huge smile on his face.
Then he wheels in at the end with the line ‘that’s why I came all this way’ after being asked to take the crown with a huge smile on his face.
I liked the bit where Sansa ended up looking like Catelyn when crowned. I'm sure that was deliberate. And why couldn't Arya just settle down with Gendry ffs? I thought it might have been because of redemption from being death but no, she just wanted to go to America. 
I liked the bit where Sansa ended up looking like Catelyn when crowned. I'm sure that was deliberate. And why couldn't Arya just settle down with Gendry ffs? I thought it might have been because of redemption from being death but no, she just wanted to go to America.
For the same reason damaged but not dead goods like Jon Snow fecked of North and Frodo sailed west. Standard storytelling and character retiring 101.
White Walkers and Dragons were a thing since season 1. Seen as you liked the first few seasons, I'm inclined to believe the fantastical elements are not as big an issue as you make it sound.
Bran on the down low all along 
the extra time winner
Despite how shite that was I thought they did Jon's story right.
the extra time winner Despite how shite that was I thought they did Jon's story right.
The worst thing about this season was the amount of wasted screen time of nothing, they could have done a lot more of substance.
Was disappointed. Bran makes no sense as king, he has no interest in anything going on around him, plus nobody would follow him. Why would the north want to leave when they have their guy on the throne?
Episode started well, but then got weird- found the two council scenes really jarring. I thought daenerys’ speech was good, as was the Jon-daenerys scene. It’s a shame because if the series hadn’t been so rushed that could have been a really satisfying ending.
Episode started well, but then got weird- found the two council scenes really jarring. I thought daenerys’ speech was good, as was the Jon-daenerys scene. It’s a shame because if the series hadn’t been so rushed that could have been a really satisfying ending.
Pangs of nostalgia already. So many awesome moments...
Yeah but in fairness those elements (mostly) took a back seat. We got glimpses of the white walkers and the dragons were babies, but they weren't yet crucial to the major plot lines (obviously the WW threat and dragons were important, but the main focus was on the very human politics of Westeros, the fight against the Wildlings and Daenerys battling to free slaves. The fantasy elements then later became more and more integral because inevitably they were the 'endgame' so to speak, the fully grown dragons were always going to render a lot of the politicking pointless (you don't have to be clever or strategical when you have a WMD).
I get where @shamans is coming from, I enjoyed the fantasy elements but mainly when they were in the background and mysterious, once they became the real focus the show perhaps lost that gritty feel to it. That's not really a criticism of the show because there is nothing D&D could do about that, it's a fantasy television show and always has been.
Ah, thinking about the early seasons has me getting all nostalgic. I still remember the shock of the Red Wedding, Ned dying etc, and how tense every episode was. This final season I honestly did stop really caring what happened to a certain extent and just tried to enjoy the spectacle.
So aside from Jon, Sansa, Bran, Arya and Tyrion, who else knows about his true heritage? Seems like Varys' letters did feck all. He really is a thick shit, if he'd made more of a fuss about who he was maybe he'd be king and not going back to the wall. When Tyrion was going on about stories, surely Jon's is better than done guy who was missing for a season. And like Bran, Jon didn't have a desire for the throne.
Jon/ Aegon's background story was all a bit pointless in the end, it served no purpose.
Jon/ Aegon's background story was all a bit pointless in the end, it served no purpose.
An incredible journey to be fair. I don't think anybody should let the disappointment of the final season change that.
Definitely going to do a full rewatch, already can't stop watching some of my favourite scenes on youtube.
I prefer 5 minutes of the Hound calling everyone cnuts. (NSFW, for obvious reasons...)
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John’s story line come one like. Sending him back to the feckin watch. For all his faults, he surely deserved a better ending. What was the feckin point in him being a Targaryen then? All of season 7 is just silly now, setting up the big story of him being the rightful king.
come one like. Sending him back to the feckin watch. For all his faults, he surely deserved a better ending. What was the feckin point in him being a Targaryen then? All of season 7 is just silly now, setting up the big story of him being the rightful king.There's no point trying to be logical about the council seasons. They're completely nonsensical garbage.
You've got Sansa declaring independence despite being related to the King, but all these other Lords who have never met Bran just nod and accept his rule. Including places like Dorne who are notorious for fiercely pursuing said independence in the past, and the Greyjoys who under Yara demanded (and received) independence from Daenerys. They know that nobody is about to fight another war for the throne but they decide to bow their head because .. reasons?
They just wanted it all tied together in a neat pretty bow. People love the Starks/the North so they needed to be independent, but nobody really cares about the other Kingdoms so they can all just get generic leaders who agree to everything this weird emo kid with a terrible name (the broken? really?) says.
We're also somehow expected to believe that the Reach just accepts this random cutthroat they've never met who just turns up as their Lord. They're not annoyed at all at this turn of events, and there's definitely no minor lords in the Reach who would have had a claim after the Tyrells became extinct.
That's just scraping the surface of the silliness. It was basically a case of D&D scrabbling to get a neat and tidy happy ending cobbled together in no time at all, hence why we just jumped to them all sitting round. No explanation or details about the aftermath of Dany's death, just fast forward the difficult and complicated bits.
I'm glad that Tyrion made sure to kill Daenerys, we wouldn't want anybody immoral holding a position of power.
(proceeds to appoint Bronn as Lord of the Reach, a man who once said he would only ask 'how much for' when questioned on whether or not he would kill a baby, a man with zero moral compass whatsoever who has spent his entire life killing for money and believes that the strong survive and the weak die. What a benevolent and kindly Lord he will be.)
And why did Tyrion make that decision? Because Bronn threatened to kill him and his brother if he didn't. I guess it's ok to have bad people in positions of power as long as the fans think they're funny.
(proceeds to appoint Bronn as Lord of the Reach, a man who once said he would only ask 'how much for' when questioned on whether or not he would kill a baby, a man with zero moral compass whatsoever who has spent his entire life killing for money and believes that the strong survive and the weak die. What a benevolent and kindly Lord he will be.)
And why did Tyrion make that decision? Because Bronn threatened to kill him and his brother if he didn't. I guess it's ok to have bad people in positions of power as long as the fans think they're funny.
It's a subversion of the chosen hero/prodigal son trope. GRRM isn't a big fan of the character who's destiny turns out to be the primary factor in all events in a story. On paper it's brilliant; after all of the build up Jon's secrets mean more to someone else's destiny than his own. The problem is that it only works if there's a viable candidate to replace his as the hero, which there isn't. Therefore they either picked Bran at random and came up with a dumb reason why it should be him, or George told them it would be Bran but they failed to set it up.Well it gave me a big laugh at least.
Just think about it:
- His Arc started with the fecking Nightswatch. Everyone was hoping that he will someday interfere somehow in the Iron Trone games representing the Starks against the Lannisters after beheading Ned, the red wedding etc.
- Meanwhile he gets involved with the biggest threat: The Wights. Gets bigger and bigger. Becomes the Lord Commander. Unites the Wildlings and the Watch.
- He fecking died as the Lord Commander, just to get resurrected so he could finally become part of the Westeros storyline.
- He wins the battle of the Bastards, avenged the red wedding, becomes the King in the North (biggest moment in the whole series for me personally)
- He finally meets the other main protagonist Danaerys, convinces her to march/fly north, falls in love with her, fecks her, kneels.
- Everyone knew that he has a huge destiny after Ned told him that he would tell him about his mother if they meet again. And it was clear once we learned about her: His destiny was the Iron Throne.
All that build up.
He went all the way.
Just to get banished to the fecking Nightswatch, AGAIN!
I really couldn't stop to laugh when Tyrion told him about it. It would be even more funny if it wasn't that sad.
That for me is what is satisfying yet disappointing about the finale. I still maintain that I'm satisfied with most of it, especially Ghost finally getting his scritches, but it's like a long jumper who's stuck the landing but limped towards the line and stumble halfway through. The landing might be fine but they've already disqualified themselves.
What a bunch of shit
AllBrann is definitely NK and day King now
Arya will go West to her own spinoff show and will return with the king Aragon & a few hobbits
What’s the point of the nightwatch if there’s no enemy beyond the wall anymore?
AllBrann is definitely NK and day King now
Arya will go West to her own spinoff show and will return with the king Aragon & a few hobbits
What’s the point of the nightwatch if there’s no enemy beyond the wall anymore?
That was worse than the finale of lost.
Blu Ray prices will be dropping rapidly for the set.
This has been one of the weirdest features of the show since about Season 6. Because they cut out so much of the scheming and killed off so many political players, they ended up with a world that was comparatively threadbare compared to the early seasons. But they also wanted to rush the plot to finish the show, hence why you end up with storylines that both feel rushed and episodes that drag. I mean, the start of Season 8 could be seen as an example of this...they spent more time with everyone just kinda chilling in Winterfell than they did have Daenerys slide from being slightly power-hungry to utter insanity.
Freefolk has it covered again...
That whole scene in general was baffling. Why is everyone completely willing to let the Starks rule Westeros with utter impunity? Why are the Iron Islands, who were demanding independence, okay to remain within the kingdoms while the Starks get to secede because they don't trust being ruled by the south...even though they are also literally ruling the South!
As a fighter and schemer Bronn's useful to have on side working for you provided you're paying him, but...like, why the feck is he in charge of finances?
Make him a war general or something. He'd be fecking brilliant at that! But finances clearly aren't his thing. Some severe embezzlement waiting to happen.
They were elements but not as a main plotline
1. Bran being king is a big feck you to all of us.
2. The north seceding makes no sense (more so when a stark is the king!)
3. Jon's storyline makes no sense. fecking knightswatch ? No mention of him being the rightful heir...feck off
4. Why would the unsullied give up tyrion or jon ? Nonsense. Both should have been executed on sight.
5. Dany didn't seem mental enough to be murdered. Infact she seemed saner this episode than the previous one. On the other hand the council that elected bran as king behaved like imbeciles.
6. Bron blackmails his way to become the richest man in kingdom (-><-)
7. How come that fat twat samwell is on the small council. Did D&D forget he's in the nightswatch ?
8. Why wouldn't Drogon not burn jon ? Why would he melt the iron throne instead ? and why would he just fly away ? Basically the writers were clueless.
9. What was the purpose of Arya coming to KL ????
10. Podrick in the kingsguard (-><-)
2. The north seceding makes no sense (more so when a stark is the king!)
3. Jon's storyline makes no sense. fecking knightswatch ? No mention of him being the rightful heir...feck off
4. Why would the unsullied give up tyrion or jon ? Nonsense. Both should have been executed on sight.
5. Dany didn't seem mental enough to be murdered. Infact she seemed saner this episode than the previous one. On the other hand the council that elected bran as king behaved like imbeciles.
6. Bron blackmails his way to become the richest man in kingdom (->
<-)7. How come that fat twat samwell is on the small council. Did D&D forget he's in the nightswatch ?
8. Why wouldn't Drogon not burn jon ? Why would he melt the iron throne instead ? and why would he just fly away ? Basically the writers were clueless.
9. What was the purpose of Arya coming to KL ????
10. Podrick in the kingsguard (->
<-)On part 5 if she was mental enough both of them would have died by stabbing each other at the same time1. Bran being king is a big feck you to all of us.
2. The north seceding makes no sense (more so when a stark is the king!)
3. Jon's storyline makes no sense. fecking knightswatch ? No mention of him being the rightful heir...feck off
4. Why would the unsullied give up tyrion or jon ? Nonsense. Both should have been executed on sight.
5. Dany didn't seem mental enough to be murdered. Infact she seemed saner this episode than the previous one. On the other hand the council that elected bran as king behaved like imbeciles.
6. Bron blackmails his way to become the richest man in kingdom (->
7. How come that fat twat samwell is on the small council. Did D&D forget he's in the nightswatch ?
8. Why wouldn't Drogon not burn jon ? Why would he melt the iron throne instead ? and why would he just fly away ? Basically the writers were clueless.
9. What was the purpose of Arya coming to KL ????
10. Podrick in the kingsguard (->
Dany stabbing Jon in that moment would've been a huge shock. She could've hid a dagger somewhere in that outfit.
I liked how the camera didn’t pan out for a second or two so that we didn’t initially realize who stabbed who.
In that second I was praying someone had killed Jon Snow from his back.
Agree with comments about Jon's background being pointless.
But I don't see how he could become king after slaying the Queen, everyone would have moaned about a queenslayer becoming king. They set it up so badly that no matter what happened it wasn't going to make sense.
But I don't see how he could become king after slaying the Queen, everyone would have moaned about a queenslayer becoming king. They set it up so badly that no matter what happened it wasn't going to make sense.
They won't because they would have died of Butterfly Fever in Naath.Because 2000 unsullied will hear that and sail back across the sea and burn Westeros.