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Didn't mind that too much. Seems like after Daenerys died they finally reached the conclusion that the line of succession is a load of shit and just leads to a load of horrible, entitled people taking power. Jon had no interest in being King and trying to push for him to become that would have led to another war, which nobody wanted.

Although they really didn't do much with it, was only really relevant in contributing to Dany's downfall.
Jon not ending up as the King is ok but not even mentioning it during that shitty reunion they had when they were giving options for King ? That's just weird to me
 
So Jon was overlooked as a) neither the Unsullied nor Dothraki would accept it and b) Westeros was taking its first steps away from inherited power and, therefore, breaking the wheel.

Is that right?

If so, it's not that fecking contentious is it?
 
Anyway, I'd rank the seasons so...

1 = 3 > 2 = 4 >>>> 6 >> 5 >> 7 = 8

I'd probably go 1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 5, 7, 8 order wise. First three are quite interchangeable though, and I prefer certain aspects of 5 to 6 but found 6 more entertaining overall.
 
Didn't mind that too much. Seems like after Daenerys died they finally reached the conclusion that the line of succession is a load of shit and just leads to a load of horrible, entitled people taking power. Jon had no interest in being King and trying to push for him to become that would have led to another war, which nobody wanted.

Although they really didn't do much with it, was only really relevant in contributing to Dany's downfall.

But it was the very reason why Sansa broke her oath and told Tyrion. Which was why Varys was ultimately killed. They all came to the conclusion that Jon was the far better choice to be King. How else were they expecting Jon to achieve this outcome? His best friend, 3 family members, his chief adviser and the guy he just saved (Tyrion) were all present in the meeting and not one of them name checks him? What a bunch of cnuts. :lol:
 
Biggest feck up( except, well the whole main plot) in whole season are numbers. They are all fighting from day one and still have thousands of soldiers. Northerners were with Rob in battles, then on red wedding, then battle of bastards, then battle for Winterfell and still there are thousands of them in last battle and after that. Lannisters the same. And what to say about Dothraki and unsullied? :wenger:.
 
Jon not ending up as the King is ok but not even mentioning it during that shitty reunion they had when they were giving options for King ? That's just weird to me

It's all shit my man. That council scene was like something out of a parody.

I mean ffs they made Bronn Master of Coin and Lord of the Reach, you really can't do anything but laugh about all of it.
 
The whole thing about Jon being the rightful King was just brushed under the carpet. It's too funny when you think about it

Tbf at that point he was Grey Worm's prisoner and they were moving away from the "rightful king" approach anyway. Can hardly nominate Jon when he's specifically the guy Grey Worm wants dead. Losing the throne is the price he pays for killing Dany really.

What irked me far more is the fact that Tyrion was randomly allowed to nominate a king in that situation, or how sanguine Grey Worm was when his demands for Jon's death were downgraded to a non-verifiable promise that Jon would go home to rejoin a organisation he still basically runs.
 
Johns gonna have to kill Dany isn’t he :( She’s gonna get mad with rage that he bent the knee and went back on his promise while he attempts to become the rightful king. He’ll probably try convince her to rule with him, but i can see her going crazy in the end, especially if he turns one of her dragons against her. While she tries to exert her authority over him and the entire kingdom he’ll have to kill her to end it.

At the end of it all John will denounce his right to the throne and take back his place of lord commander at the wall and, as a guess, instead of handing down his claim to the throne to Sansa he’ll disband it back to the seven separate kindoms for them all to live happy ever after for a few hundred years.

Well i was on the right path at least.
 
To be fair, this seems to have been deliberate. Jon gonna defeat the Whitewalkers, everyone though...it was Arya. Jaime (the little brother) is gonna kill Cersei...nah, a house kills her. Then the last and this episode gave the impression that Arya is gonna kill Dany, but it was Jon to do so.

The resurrection kind of makes sense IMO. While we thought that it was cause Jon is special (being Targ, a chosen one and so on), it seems that everyone (Jon, Arya and Dany) who was important to defeating them would have been resurrected too. Beric Dondarrion was resurrected 6 times cause he was needed to save Arya. Jon was needed to unite the North with the wildlings and bring Dany in the north. Dany was needed cause of her dragons.

R'hllor works in a mysterious way.
You'd be a great lawyer if you're not already
 
But it was the very reason why Sansa broke her oath and told Tyrion. Which was why Varys was ultimately killed. They all came to the conclusion that Jon was the far better choice to be King. How else were they expecting Jon to achieve this outcome? His best friend, 3 family members, his chief adviser and the guy he just saved (Tyrion) were all present in the meeting and not one of them name checks him? What a bunch of cnuts. :lol:

True. Fecking Tyrion walks away as the second most powerful man in all of Westeros, and the most powerful actual person since Brann is some weird mystical being now.

Poor Jon has to feck off and never take part in the affairs of Westeros again, even though it was Tyrion who convinced him to actually do it.

And all Tyrion can do to comfort him when he asks if it was the right decision is go 'ehhh .. i dunno bro ask in 10 years might have been a goof' :lol:.
 
And that tightens the plotting up. However you still have the main problem of the last few seasons, that being the showrunners lacking basic storytelling skills. A little person shooting his dad on the toilet with a crossbow is a precarious plot marker. But if you build one hell of a story around it then it can work.

But I definitely agree that simplifying the plot* would have been the way to go.


*this doesn't mean you can't have complex characters before someone jumps on me because they don't understand

The toilet scene is brilliant, complete destruction of his fathers dignity. A fitting ending to a nasty character
 
Tbf at that point he was Grey Worm's prisoner and they were moving away from the "rightful king" approach anyway. Can hardly nominate Jon when he's specifically the guy Grey Worm wants dead. Losing the throne is the price he pays for killing Dany really.

What irked me far more is the fact that Tyrion was randomly allowed to nominate a king in that situation, or how sanguine Grey Worm was when his demands for Jon's death were downgraded to a non-verifiable promise that Jon would go home to rejoin a organisation he still basically runs.
What about when he was saying his goodbyes to the family ? Couldn't Sansa or Arya say something to that effect " It could/should have been you".
Tyrion, in a blink of an eye, going from prisonner to the one choosing Bran was incredibly stupid, who the feck comes up with an idea like that ?
 
Why didn't Bran just facking pardon Jon. You know with him being king and all...

Because they were basically still negotiating with Grey Worm who had Jon prisoner and wanted him dead. Thus the compromise, as Tyrion explained to Jon.
 


I wish I could be as stoic as Piers 'couldn't even handle one mouthful of a fecking vegan sausage roll' Morgan.

Definitely doesn't complain all the time about stupid shit like fireman sam being rebranded as firefighter sam, nope not at all.
 
Because they were basically still negotiating with Grey Worm who had Jon prisoner and wanted him dead. Thus the compromise, as Tyrion explained to Jon.
I get that but Grey Worm had no authority to make any demands. He had Jon hostage though I guess.
 
Obviously they got a fair few things wrong this season. But with Jon going beyond the wall again. I feel like they could of teased something for the future. Some sort of blue eyes on a child or something. It's just pretty sad now that it's done.
 
Couldn't agree more. That was Game of Thrones for me. Those scenes were simply fantastic. Just dialogue but had you on the edge of your seat; wondering if he sussed quite who she was.
On the delayed train home today managed to watch the first part of this. Great character and an even better actor.


Not many hour + 16 min youtube vids I'd bother sitting through but couldn't stop watching that.
 
Obviously they got a fair few things wrong this season. But with Jon going beyond the wall again. I feel like they could of teased something for the future. Some sort of blue eyes on a child or something. It's just pretty sad now that it's done.

I feel the Arya going west ‘to lands not yet explored’ sounds like a perfect spin off setting.
 
Not many hour + 16 min youtube vids I'd bother sitting through but couldn't stop watching that.

He's the boss. Show never recovered from his loss.
 
They really should have made it more obvious if Jon had become a Wildling by having him wear their clothing. It's just too ambiguous otherwise and having him be the Commander of the Nights Watch would be such a feckin shit end to his character.


Well it gave me a big laugh at least.

Just think about it:

- His Arc started with the fecking Nightswatch. Everyone was hoping that he will someday interfere somehow in the Iron Trone games representing the Starks against the Lannisters after beheading Ned, the red wedding etc.

- Meanwhile he gets involved with the biggest threat: The Wights. Gets bigger and bigger. Becomes the Lord Commander. Unites the Wildlings and the Watch.

- He fecking died as the Lord Commander, just to get resurrected so he could finally become part of the Westeros storyline.

- He wins the battle of the Bastards, avenged the red wedding, becomes the King in the North (biggest moment in the whole series for me personally)

- He finally meets the other main protagonist Danaerys, convinces her to march/fly north, falls in love with her, fecks her, kneels.

- Everyone knew that he has a huge destiny after Ned told him that he would tell him about his mother if they meet again. And it was clear once we learned about her: His destiny was the Iron Throne.


All that build up.

He went all the way.

Just to get banished to the fecking Nightswatch, AGAIN! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I really couldn't stop to laugh when Tyrion told him about it. It would be even more funny if it wasn't that sad.
 
Why didn't Bran just facking pardon Jon. You know with him being king and all...

What if Jon didn't want to be pardoned? He had his best time north of the wall. Think he's looking forward to spending time with Tormund, Ghost and fecking wild chicks.
 
Because 2000 unsullied will hear that and sail back across the sea and burn Westeros. :lol::lol:

Tbf it would be entirley in Jon's character to stupidly and pointlessly stick to a vow to rejoin the NW even when there's no actual reason to. Especially as he's stupidly and pointlessly feeling guilty for killing Dany when there's no actual reason to too.
 
What if Jon didn't want to be pardoned? He had his best time north of the wall. Think he's looking forward to spending time with Tormund, Ghost and fecking wild chicks.


Didn't seem to be that many wildlings left, let alone ones who look like Rose Leslie.

Most of them probably have wildling husbands too. Poor Jon.
 
I was hoping for Jamie surviving the rubble and somehow sneaked in the throne room, watching the destruction of Kings landing on his way up and stabbing Danny from behind. That would have been perfect.

There were so many ways to do it, it is amazing how they chose the worst.

Starks, how pathetic of them to keep telling Jon Snow he is the real heir to the Iron Throne, pushed him to proclaim it, made him murder Danny and yet none spoke his name in the Dragon Pit.

I am having very hard time try to calm myself...
Yep. Suppose the unsullied wouldn't allow for it, but feck'em.

Poor John. What was the entire plot point of revealing him as Aegon Targaryen? It was such a massive reveal but all they did with it was allow Sansa to cause a bit of mischief and get Varys killed? Literally, that was it. Varys' letters I guess also never made it out to anyone.
 
No white walker or Lord of Light reference in the final episode ...was kind of hoping for a hint that the NK storyline and it's connection with Bran might not be over.

Just rewatched some of the opening scenes before the episode took a dive and the visual direction is just majestic. Dany's speech was chilling (compare and contrast to Kit's speech in episode 4), the music was great and it looked just perfect. I could've happily watched a whole season of the aftermath of her 'liberating' cities in the winter before Jon or whoever stopped her. The set up and pay off of the 'mad queen' would have worked better with an extended season.
 
All in all it was all so rushed, just like someone said, oh gosh we have just half an hour left, lets put everything there and tie lose ends. It was like an ending of LOTR part 3 where they were saying goodby to each other for half an hour it seemed. Ok we get it.
This was my first thoughts about the final 30 minutes as well.
 
I wish there would have been a scene where Jon basically said I don’t want to be a Stark, a Targaryen and certainly not the King and that I’d rather have the life of a bastard after all I’ve been through and go mourn and grieve up beyond the wall where I was happiest, renounce the crown and then cue that political roundtable scene, with no mention of Jon.