And all those walking and walking and walking. Lets watch Jon walking for 5 minutes. Ok, now Arya....
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Same. I watched every episode couple of times. This, i will never watch again.
God that was shit 
It's amazing how much GoT changed, gone are the days when dialogue carried the show. Now it's just set pieces. As amazing as the production is, it's been incredibly shallow for a while now.
Once GoT made the switch from being about sharp dialogue and political backstabbing to "How much money can we spend on this amazing scene" it just never recaptured the magic of it's first few seasons.
If you removed the bullshit banter sessions from episodes 1 and 2 you could have delved into the NK more, maybe more backstory/insight in episode 1, the big battle in episode 2, then a retreat and kill him in episode 3. Maybe find a way to kill him that took more advantage of Aryas skills as opposed to her just running fast and jumping (I actually liked the idea of her wearing Brans face, assuming Bran doesn't need to die for that to happen).
As for the final 3 episodes... I'm past arguing that absolute tragedy of an arc, so whatever. But once again if GoT didn't feel like they had to put on such a huge spectacle they could have made Danys arc a bit more subtle. As others had said, have her assault the Red Keep and those civilians could have been the collateral damage that she sincerely regrets, that would have been more than enough for Jon/Tyrion to question Dany. Also Dany could justify herself without going against everything she's stood for. I actually think it would have made more sense at that point for Dany to cast Jon north because she feels she can't ever rule with him around. I would have been satisfied with an ending that had Jon in the north as he was, Dany on the throne, Sansa ruling the North for Dany but ultimately not trusting her and plotting her independence, and maybe float around the idea that one day Arya might take out Dany one day, and have Tyrion in doubt if he made the right choice. Maybe people would have hated that kind of ambiguity, but I think it would have found a nice balance between resolution but also y'know... not having to tie up everything so neatly.
The way they went with it, just ruined characters, created plot holes and ending up being ultimately very, very silly.
It's amazing how much GoT changed, gone are the days when dialogue carried the show. Now it's just set pieces. As amazing as the production is, it's been incredibly shallow for a while now.
Once GoT made the switch from being about sharp dialogue and political backstabbing to "How much money can we spend on this amazing scene" it just never recaptured the magic of it's first few seasons.
If you removed the bullshit banter sessions from episodes 1 and 2 you could have delved into the NK more, maybe more backstory/insight in episode 1, the big battle in episode 2, then a retreat and kill him in episode 3. Maybe find a way to kill him that took more advantage of Aryas skills as opposed to her just running fast and jumping (I actually liked the idea of her wearing Brans face, assuming Bran doesn't need to die for that to happen).
As for the final 3 episodes... I'm past arguing that absolute tragedy of an arc, so whatever. But once again if GoT didn't feel like they had to put on such a huge spectacle they could have made Danys arc a bit more subtle. As others had said, have her assault the Red Keep and those civilians could have been the collateral damage that she sincerely regrets, that would have been more than enough for Jon/Tyrion to question Dany. Also Dany could justify herself without going against everything she's stood for. I actually think it would have made more sense at that point for Dany to cast Jon north because she feels she can't ever rule with him around. I would have been satisfied with an ending that had Jon in the north as he was, Dany on the throne, Sansa ruling the North for Dany but ultimately not trusting her and plotting her independence, and maybe float around the idea that one day Arya might take out Dany one day, and have Tyrion in doubt if he made the right choice. Maybe people would have hated that kind of ambiguity, but I think it would have found a nice balance between resolution but also y'know... not having to tie up everything so neatly.
The way they went with it, just ruined characters, created plot holes and ending up being ultimately very, very silly.
I'm going full hipster on it... What are you all whining about? Best episode ever. Bran the personality vacume on the throne, Arya becomes Christopher Columbus and Jon got to pet his dog.
Oh and Bronn got his own sitcom.
Oh and Bronn got his own sitcom.
Music in that episode was once again perfect. Easily the best thing about the show lately.
I've a feeling I'll look back on the last two seasons a bit kindlier in a couple of years.
I've a feeling I'll look back on the last two seasons a bit kindlier in a couple of years.
Some seriously bad word of mouth for the end of this though sadly. I wouldn't be sad if they did get shafted, it's obvious they rushed the end as they wanted to move on. I feel sorry for the actors, reading some of their social media posts today.
Her last husband was a little on the young side too...
I think the problem with season 8 is where the breaks should fit in.
Ideally, you'd watch ep 1, 2 and 3 in a single sitting. Ep 4, 5 and the first 40 minutes of 6 in another sitting. And finally, the final half-an-hour after a bit of a coffee break.
The show will get better on rewatches (I've already done a partial re-watch, so I'm speaking from experience). But I also agree that the last 30 minutes was really badly pitched in the context of what came before. The implied time jump when Tyrion is brought to the Council requires a real life time gap in order to make it palatable.
I think the ingredients are there for a decent season. It just requires a more judicious padding out. If it were being released in the cinemas, it would be either a two-parter or a trilogy with a post credits-scene.
Love this one from reddit. Didn't notice it when watching but
Let the ink dry before closing the book Brienne!!
Let the ink dry before closing the book Brienne!!
Thought it was an okay episode but lacked a real dramatic ending, last episodes of long standing series are always a bit underwhelming. Decent enough send off all in all
I was gonna post something to that effect. The music is spot on.
However, no amount of great music will turn this shower of shite into gold.
I don't think that similarity is a coincidence. It's to do with the nature of the stories both endings are being adapted from. You have a large amount of surviving characters returning to a broad range of places and you're trying to show what might happen to them next. That naturally leads to an extended sequence at the end for putting things right and giving the characters goodbyes. Which works better structurally in a book than it does in an on-screen adaptation, where it tends to eat up a lot of screen time.
Actually the GOT series is a good case study for the difficulty in adapting books into TV shows generally. I thought throughout the eight seasons you could see the strain that came from trying to fit one format into another, even when the show was at its best.
Just watched it. All way way too rushed. A shame.
Anyway, I'd rank the seasons so...
1 = 3 > 2 = 4 >>>> 6 >> 5 >> 7 = 8
1 = 3 > 2 = 4 >>>> 6 >> 5 >> 7 = 8
They won't lose Star wars as there's no way they could write a worse Star wars film than any of the previous ones
If you're going to give it a second viewing, you really need to re-watch the lead up to the battle and the battle itself, too. It makes Daenerys' actions more understandable, and her self-justifying delusion more poignant.
I think as a whole it's far worse on a rewatch tbh, the quality difference is more noticeable when you watch it in one sitting. The last scene with quality dialogue was like 3 seasons ago.
Except it isn't worse. Because I've done it.
This cracked me up more than it should haveLove this one from reddit. Didn't notice it when watching but
Let the ink dry before closing the book Brienne!!
Yeah but I've done it and it is worse so there
I liked Sopranos last episode.
I remember people standing up in cinema 2,3 times thinking it was over but no. Another goodbye.
Love this one from reddit. Didn't notice it when watching but
Let the ink dry before closing the book Brienne!!
I said that to the missus when I saw it. Schoolgirl error.Kit Harrington said:
Big United fan Kit Harrington’s coded message to us on RedCafe a couple of weeks ago...
Good at adaptation, shit at writing an original story. If the rumours are true that their trilogy is an adaptation of KOTOR, then they might do a good job. If they do a new story, it is gonna be worse than the Last Jedi.
I was waiting and wanting for jon to roar at that dragon.
1=4>>>6>3>2>>>>>5>>7=8
for me.
4 had a number of 9/10 episodes whereas 3 only had red wedding which stood out.
6 was underrated, it was a return to form after a very dull season 5 (which we both agree on) and for me it had more poignant moments and more entertainment than 3 or 2 but retained somewhat of GOT quality so appealing to everyone.
KOTOR? No shit? Can't wait for that
Good post and I agree. I was enjoying it up into Drogon flow off with Dany. Everything after was nonsensical.
Nobody made you watch anything, you've probably been begging for it for 18 months despite the quality being uneven since about season 5.
Now stop acting like a petulant child and find something else to get unhealthily invested in.
The writers should be forced to walk through the streets naked. Shame!
Well it went exactly to the leak . I was hoping it was a joke . Perfectly terrible ending to a terrible season.
And that tightens the plotting up. However you still have the main problem of the last few seasons, that being the showrunners lacking basic storytelling skills. A little person shooting his dad on the toilet with a crossbow is a precarious plot marker. But if you build one hell of a story around it then it can work.
But I definitely agree that simplifying the plot* would have been the way to go.
*this doesn't mean you can't have complex characters before someone jumps on me because they don't understand
They really should have made it more obvious if Jon had become a Wildling by having him wear their clothing. It's just too ambiguous otherwise and having him be the Commander of the Nights Watch would be such a feckin shit end to his character.
The whole thing about Jon being the rightful King was just brushed under the carpet. It's too funny when you think about it
D&D forgot about that storyline.
In all seriousness, for them to not even have a sentence of dialogue to explain this is just ridiculous. It's been one of the main themes of the entire fecking season and his parentage has been argued about since Season 1!
1 > 3 = 4 = 2 > 6 >>> 5 > 7 >>> 8
I think that 6 has the best episode in the history of television. 'The Winds of Winter' is perfection itself. The scene with Ned getting baby Jon followed by King in the North was so emotional and amazing. The nuking of the church with Djawaldi's music... Also, the season had Hold the Door episode, one of the most shocking twists ever. Battle of Bastards was a bit brainless but epic.
In original viewing, I liked fourth most, cause I almost have a gay crush in Oberyn (maybe my favourite character in the books), but in rewatching which I did last year, it wasn't as good as 1 and 3. 1 with Sean Bean as main protagonist is right there with the greatest seasons in any TV show IMO. 3 was very good too, and 2 has the best dialogues (Tyrion with Varys and Tywin with Arya) in the entire show.
5th was when the writing started going to crap. Bar the Battle of Hardhorne, there isn't much good there. I thought that it cannot be topped (bottomed) but 7th was even worse. While the Dracarys episode was great, the rest of it was shit and nothing made sense.
8th is just an abomination. The music and the cinematography are great, but the writing is Dexter-like (seasons 5-8) level. I think that the finale was as good as it could have been after that penultimate episode though.
D&D forgot about that storyline.
In all seriousness, for them to not even have a sentence of dialogue to explain this is just ridiculous. It's been one of the main themes of the entire fecking season and his parentage has been argued about since Season 1!
Didn't mind that too much. Seems like after Daenerys died they finally reached the conclusion that the line of succession is a load of shit and just leads to a load of horrible, entitled people taking power. Jon had no interest in being King and trying to push for him to become that would have led to another war, which nobody wanted.
Although they really didn't do much with it, was only really relevant in contributing to Dany's downfall.
To be fair, this seems to have been deliberate. Jon gonna defeat the Whitewalkers, everyone though...it was Arya. Jaime (the little brother) is gonna kill Cersei...nah, a house kills her. Then the last and this episode gave the impression that Arya is gonna kill Dany, but it was Jon to do so.
The resurrection kind of makes sense IMO. While we thought that it was cause Jon is special (being Targ, a chosen one and so on), it seems that everyone (Jon, Arya and Dany) who was important to defeating them would have been resurrected too. Beric Dondarrion was resurrected 6 times cause he was needed to save Arya. Jon was needed to unite the North with the wildlings and bring Dany in the north. Dany was needed cause of her dragons.
R'hllor works in a mysterious way.