Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

It wasn't exactly a leading role though, getting lost in a snowstorm for thirty minutes, and whoever came up with those battle plans sure as hell wouldn't want to admit to afterwards. I know it was team effort but shessh

Yeah but expectations subverted though.
 
I implore anybody who hasn't to go back and watch scenes from the earlier seasons, particularly some involving some of the elder statesmen in the cast (charles dance in particular) and quite honestly if you put it side by side to episodes from S8 you would feel like you were watching an entirely different show. Scenes between Tyrion and Oberyn, Jaime and Brienne, Tywin and Arya are simply breathtaking television. I've decided to start from the beginning personally but stop at S7 to try and blow away the feelings of disappointment that *this* is what the ending is.

The final couple of seasons got the only things the early ones lacked - the big set pieces and hollywood effects, but the show completely lost its heart along the way, and lost what really made it the most enjoyable show on television, a fantastic combination of excellent writing and stunning acting performances backed up by genuinely good dialogue.
Thank you. I've been saying this since season 5.
 
I liked that episode quite a lot. When I read the leaks I hated it but it played out better than I thought it would. There was actually some good acting in the episode, Dinklage in particular. Thought Clarke had been practising her chops too, shame Kit hadn't.

Bran is one sneaky cnut isn't he.

Lots of spin-offs set up. Bit disappointed that Jon continued being a proper sad sack. Yeah, it was decent enough.

Had they binned off some of the above, spent two seasons developing chemistry between Jon and Daenerys and watching her descend into madness (as well as giving more time to the White Walker plot) this would have been far more popular.

Far more popular! Bloody hell, we'd all be learning Dothraki at school if that happened.
 
Stolen from Reddit. Arya's supernatural perception:

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Can I just say that Bron being master of coin isn't unreasonable. He is Lord of Highgarden and Paramount of The Reach, so he controls the area of Westeros that brings in the most money. That Tyrell muppet was master of coin at one point ffs.

Whether or not he should have gotten Highgarden in the first place though, hoooo boy...
 
Then his character seemed to have changed after being a captive of the Freys for years. Obviously that experience would humble a man and that's the person we saw when he confronted Jaime Lannister. The guy lost his entire family and was a prisoner (probably under not very nice conditions) for years of his life, and we're expected to believe he didn't change at all and emerged a cocky buffoon?

They reversed his development because they wanted a giggle.

"Seemed to have changed"
I didn't really see anything to suggest it - you said all the good work they did on the character but honestly didn't see that. Had no issue with him remaining a dweeb
 
Why the feck did Bran even need a master of whisperer? :lol:

:lol:

Also did he say he was missing a master of the guard (or similar) whilst Brienne is sat on the table? :lol:
 
It wasn't exactly a leading role though, getting lost in a snowstorm for thirty minutes, and whoever came up with those battle plans sure as hell wouldn't want to admit to afterwards. I know it was team effort but shessh

Just Blame lil Mormont and jorah
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?
 
I feel sorry for all those feckers who are sitting down now expecting something incredible.
 
Thoros of Myr killed by a fecking zombie bear... what a shit death.

Uncle Benjen sacrificed himself for no fecking reason.

Wights could dive under water and chain up a dead dragon with huge chains and where the feck did they get those huge chains from anyway?

There’s so much more. We should have seen it coming. It’s been a right mess since Ser Alisser died.
 
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I laughed when Jon got sentenced to the Night's Watch. Back to square one. :lol:
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?
They all fought each other for new leadership and most died. Meanwhile unsullied had nobody to command them except GW who was confused as off screen dany previously said don't kill him no matter what

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Of all the moments they needed to timeskip, the Jon reveal to the Starks and post-Dany were the worst. Agreed. Just shoddy shoddy work. I don't mind cutting it down to 6 episodes, but they could have done so so much better with what they had by just tweaking a few things here and there.

the KL episode:
- Have Arya's cool scene by having her use some dead faces to wipe out the Kingsguard, before she reaches the Mountain with the Hound, and then Cleaganebowl. Also give her more cool scenes by wiping out the leader of the Golden Company instead of an OP dragon.
- keep Rhaegal alive till ep 5 and have him killed by Euron's scorpion just after the bells to drive Dany over the edge. Let Euron die in her revenge dragonfire.
- Jaime does to Cersei what Jon did to Dany, before letting the rubble kill them both. Since Euron is already dead, he doesn't need to be injured when he dies and we can let that shitty fight scene not exist
- Dany killing: suggested above
- post-Dany: the Dothraki and Unsullied want to fight, but stop when Jon summons Drogon, gets on top of him and tells them who he truly is. Some try to attack, but are instantly barbecued by Drogon. The rest get the message. Greyworm insists on fighting and is captured. Later he is set free on the condition that he leads his men to Naath.
- Jon pardons Tyrion and calls a small council to elect the king. When they want to choose him, he says he will no longer take part in the politics and go North of the Wall, where he truly felt at home. Gendry is then elected king, with Bran his hand. Sansa remains Queen in the North, and chooses Tyrion as her hand, because Tyrion no longer wishes to stay in KL where his family all died. Arya goes back to Braavos to lead the Faceless Men.

I made this up in 5 min, and it is still a better ending than what D&D did.
Except Jaime would never kill Cersei, let alone the unborn child. Arya's story was about letting go of her revenge, like she had already done in Season 7 when she chose family over killing Cersei and bonding with a dragon isn't a some as just having the right blood. Basically they wrote themselves into the shit and it's very difficult to write yourself out of it.

However, I'd be interested to hear what you would have done differently starting from Season 7 because I feel like you're on the right track.
 
I enjoyed it. Not incredible, not shit. It's over now though. So I can stop watching people play "who can demonstrate they hate the show most." fecking internet.
 
:lol:

Also did he say he was missing a master of the guard (or similar) whilst Brienne is sat on the table? :lol:

Kings Guard is different to the captain of the guard. Basically police of the city, who betrayed Ned all the way back when.
 
Probably. No reason for him to do that other than D&D wanted a cheap laugh. He's been in captivity for years and would likely be a broken man.

They basically undid all the good work they did on the character during Jaime's siege. He was a serious character then and not just a buffoon they could use for laughs in the finale.
You're seriously complaining about that? :lol:
 
Stolen from Reddit. Arya's supernatural perception:

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See, this stuff. They're more concerned with Arya getting a menacing cool line when she should've been pleading with Jon in hushed tones after what she witnessed first-hand "Look around you, Jon. You know what she is, this won't be the last city to burn etc" would be much more impactful.
 
See, this stuff. They're more concerned with Arya getting a menacing cool line when she should've been pleading with Jon in hushed tones after what she witnessed first-hand "Look around you, Jon. You know what she is, this won't be the last city to burn etc" would be much more impactful.

It’s typical D&D.
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?

Dothraki aren't about loyalty, if someone is good enough to kill a leader, they deserve to be the leader in their eyes.
 
I’ve not really criticised the show so far and just tried to enjoy it. But that final episode was so disappointing. I don’t necessarily mind what happened to most of the individual characters but how they got there was pretty crap and could have been done so much better. I could see what they were trying to do but some really crap scenes and clunky dialogue were evident throughout.
 
Why on earth is Bronn master of coin? Surely he should be master of war? I mean he’s one of the most experienced, battle hardened men left in Westeros and they made him master of coin? Daft cnuts.
 
I'm sure it's been said already but that was a load of me bollox! feckin shite ending. Worse than coming 6th in the league or having Mourinho in charge.
 
Good point. I just didn't feel the tragedy in his fate because I didn't feel either the chemistry between him and Dany nor any real point to his going to the Wall at the end as a penance.
He gone beyond the wall. He said to Tormund that that was where he would be happiest. I think Bran has sent him where he will be happy and fooled the Unsullied into believing he was being punished. They just couldn't tell Jon because he'd have given the game away.
 
Finally got to watch the finale and I must say I was a bit surprised. Bran? Really? And that with a North not belonging to the Seven Kingdoms? Even with Tyrion's reasoning, it's still not enough of an explanation.

I'm sure that with George Martin's writing it would all make a whole lot more sense and be better accomplished. I look forward to reading it if he ever comes that far.

Disappointing finale. That scene with the King's council felt like somelight entertainment played for laughs. Think of the acting performances and gravitas you've had on that table (Tywin Lannister, Ollena Tyrrel, Ned Stark etc). Just having some "friendly" faces on the table didn't sit well with me.

What I did like was the Stark children surviving. After their harrowing trials of the first couple of seasons, it was good to see Ned's kids land on their feet. Even though in some of the cases it was a bit contrived.
 
It really is a colossal shame.

I implore anybody who hasn't to go back and watch scenes from the earlier seasons, particularly some involving some of the elder statesmen in the cast (charles dance in particular) and quite honestly if you put it side by side to episodes from S8 you would feel like you were watching an entirely different show. Scenes between Tyrion and Oberyn, Jaime and Brienne, Tywin and Arya are simply breathtaking television. I've decided to start from the beginning personally but stop at S7 to try and blow away the feelings of disappointment that *this* is what the ending is.

The final couple of seasons got the only things the early ones lacked - the big set pieces and hollywood effects, but the show completely lost its heart along the way, and lost what really made it the most enjoyable show on television, a fantastic combination of excellent writing and stunning acting performances backed up by genuinely good dialogue.

S7/S8 weren't bad really, not by normal television standards, and a lot of aspects were very impressive. But you can't expect people not to complain when a shows best features suddenly becomes its weakest. The people who just watched for the tits and dragons are obviously still going to be satisfied, but I really don't think that's why a majority of people were dragged in by Game of Thrones.
Couldn't agree more. That was Game of Thrones for me. Those scenes were simply fantastic. Just dialogue but had you on the edge of your seat; wondering if he sussed quite who she was.
On the delayed train home today managed to watch the first part of this. Great character and an even better actor.
 
Just realised that last scene from Varys before being killed turned out to be completely useless and a waste of 5 minutes.
 
How the feck does Sansa know that Bran can't father children? Is she the Cersei to his Jaime?