Yeah it's another masterpiece by Djawadi. I listen to so much of his stuff (mostly GoT and WestWorld related).
The last 1 min or so (which is when he's approaching Bran) is incredible.
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Yeah it's another masterpiece by Djawadi. I listen to so much of his stuff (mostly GoT and WestWorld related).
The last 1 min or so (which is when he's approaching Bran) is incredible.
It all flows so well with what is happening on screen. The little glances the Night King gives, everything.
It's amazing what a good piece of music can do for a scene.
The music has always been the best part of GoT, consistently excellent all the way through all 8 seasons.
Are there seriously people who didn't like that episode? They must be dead inside. Probably the best TV I've ever seen.
The spectacle is incredible, no doubt. If you watch GoT for the spectacle you're going to love it because it's superbly well directed (although I prefer battle of the bastards).
If you're someone who is a bit more engaged with the storyline/writing and have certain expectations and hopes about what might happen, there's certain elements which to some people just don't make sense. Some have also been left feeling disappointed by the death of the night king midway through the season and expected a bit more I think, with all the build up.
I enjoyed the episode for what it is and was gripped throughout. I think there was some stupid/nonsensical shit in there but it's GoT and I can roll with that now.
It's split the viewers yeah.
Some of the Complaints TLDR:
- night king defeated way too quickly after passing the wall, huge anti climax to a plot built up since the pilot
- arya appearing from knowhere to kill the night king
- battle tactics were really dumb
- very few people died despite being put under extreme situations
- far too dark at times which made it hard to see what was going on
- whitewalkers did nothing
- jon / daenerys did very little
- crypts scene was very stupid
I think thats most of the objections? I agree on some and disagree on others.
Personally I enjoyed it, but those who didn't could make reverse statement about being braindead inside.
This is the one I disagree with most. The NK saw the white walkers were vulnerable at Hardhome, it actually makes sense that he would adjust and have them hold back unless he absolutely needed to use them.
He has a massive horde of wights and can raise any of the defenders who died, footsoldiers come cheap as chips for him whereas white walkers are very hard to replace. Why put them in danger? If they die the wights they resurrected die with them.
I get the impression the vast amount of people on here enjoyed the episode. Even the nit-pickers and begrudgers.
The New Rockstars breakdown for this episode is great as usual. It really does a good job of explaining the show.
I actually think a number of people actually didn't Pogue. I've read a lot of people on here saying they didn't like it. *shrugs*
They're in no position to comment on intelligence.Personally I enjoyed it, but those who didn't could make reverse statement about being braindead inside.
Surely he'd get a ass-whooping by the mountain, the hound, Brienne and likely a few others I've forgotten about.
It's a combination of Entertainment Forum hipsterism, and book wankers gonna book wank.
Why?
He's an absolute beast. He killed like 50 people in the Battle of the Bastards and was left surrounded by Wights but fought his way through them. I think it's pretty clear the show is portraying him as the most gifted swordsman alive.
The ones you mentioned are big bastards (esp. the mountain) and their reach/size might be a problem for Jon, but if Oberyn had the Mountain on his back why not Jon?
Nah, im neither of those. I gave up reading the books half way through book 2 and I laugh at the Star Wars hipsters. I love this show, stay up 2am to watch it and I didn't like the episode. Perhaps, just maybe, it's a volatile episode, some love it and some dislike it. Such is life.
1. Just numbers. Ultimately speaks to him being lucky (and good) to not get overwhelmed. A battle is chaotic as they portrayed, it's in no way a situation to judge who is the best swordsman (in my opinion, obviously).
2. No. He got help from a dragon.
3. Oberyn had trained his entire life for the specific purpose of fighting the mountain. He also used a spear, a much better weapon for fighting a brute at range.
Arya is like 5 foot nothing and 8 stone and she's just killed the most powerful being in existence, and she drew with Brienne. I'd wager Jon is better in a 1 on 1 situation than Arya.
Jon was absolutely in beast/berseker mode during the Battle of the Bastards and even though he failed to kill the NK he was hacking his way through wights like it was nothing.
Only joking about.
Do find it funny how short Kit Harington is though for some reason given the image Jon Snow has.
Arya is a magic-assassin. Jon is a competent swordsman.
Some people just can't help having a smugness about what they like over people who have different opinions. It'll never change.
Personally I really enjoyed it, on second viewing too. But I also see the complaints about style over substance, it was incredibly dumb. That's what I expect now and that's what we've had for a few seasons. I wish it was different, but it isn't so I just enjoy the ride for what it is
I love the fact Dany has a line about it too
Yup.
Also Arya:
"You used to be taller..."
Maybe. But in both the battles against the Wights he's acquitted himself better than anybody else I think. He's a one man army at times, they're showing that for a reason. It could be that he's the best in a battle situation but not the best in a 1vs1, but in 3 major battles he's been there cutting his way through people like butter.
True, the Mountain would probably pose Jon issues due to the height difference. Brienne/the Hound would be a better match up for him because they'd be able to cope with that (cleganebowl
) but equally I do think Jon could beat the Hound or Brienne.Aye, it's weird right? Nobody gives a shit if you prefer blondes over brunettes but when it comes to television it's like you're punching their sister.
He's very clearly significantly above competent in the show and has had ridiculous amounts of experience (multiple large battles in which he racked up insane amounts of kills and defeated a superpowered white walker in a 1 on 1).
He also killed Styr, the leader of the Thenns who had a massive size/height advantage over Jon (he's 6'5) so he has feats both on a 1on1 level and a battle level.
Jons one of the best fighters in Westeros. Surely thats been established by now right?
Aye, it's weird right? Nobody gives a shit if you prefer blondes over brunettes but when it comes to television it's like you're punching their sister.
How dare you have different thoughts about something I like!
Must just like moaning
Well given we've had 8 seasons of him hacking and slashing his way through multiple fights on screen. Yes we have.
I think it's fair to say you think he could beat them. I just don't think he's clear cut the best swordsman alive.Maybe. But in both the battles against the Wights he's acquitted himself better than anybody else I think. He's a one man army at times, they're showing that for a reason. It could be that he's the best in a battle situation but not the best in a 1vs1, but in 3 major battles he's been there cutting his way through people like butter.
True, the Mountain would probably pose Jon issues due to the height difference. Brienne/the Hound would be a better match up for him because they'd be able to cope with that (cleganebowl
Brienne has been a fantastic fighter all the way, won in a duel between a hundred knights(?) and over Loras Tyrell who supposedly was a good fighter, and an admittedly reduced Hound. Bronn is also a extremely competent fighter 1v1, from his potrayal.
If we're talking beast-mode in battle then it's natural that Jon gets a lot of screen-time as he is one of if not the main character. We didn't get killcounts from other characters in the battles they were in.
I agree that Jon is a top tier (alive) fighter, but I wouldn't call him the best.
I'm pretty sure it was established from the first season he was very good.
I did say it seems. For me the way Jon is being portrayed is as the best fighter, he's getting the most impressive recent feats. Brienne is obviously incredible as well and there's a handful who would be a seriously tough fight and could beat him.
I think from the first season he was skilled and well trained but naive (as the fight vs karl fookin tanner showed) but has consistently improved and become a far more hardened, dangerous fighter as a result.
Yep.
As ode says, there are a few who have a claim to being better, but Jon is up there by now.
I couldn't find the right word and chose competent because I didn't want to undersell him or oversell him. I suppose great would be more fair.
As for battles, despite his experience he does feck up as a leader constantly. Great fighter, fantastic inspiration to those around him due to his nature but a bad leader.
Doesn't change the fact that Arya has been in hours of hours of a training-arc with being made into a barely-human "magic-assassin".
Styr was also using a Axe that took significantly more power to swing around and managed to get Jons sword away.
If not for a lucky hammer-placement (good awareness by Snow, credit where it's due), I'm certain in a non-plot situation he'd die there.
I got hung up on the statement and didn't notice that part. My bad.