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2cents said:
The White Walkers (Others) have barely featured in the books at all so far.
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Yet people make out they are the main protagonists and DnD have spoiled Martin's great big bad.
Samid said:
For 8 years and 2 weeks we have been hearing winter is coming and when it finally arrived it only took one night to end it.
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Winter has come and gone over the last however many centuries without White Walkers. The winter of Tyrion's birth lasted 9 years and there were no WW around then.

Long winters are not tied to WW.
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GhastlyHun said:
Yeah but that's the part I accept; it was never suggested that all WW were tied to the NK the same way though.
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They showed us how his magic touch turns Babies into WW, but regardless of that it would've made sense to pursue that strategy in a "well, what else can we try?" way imho, given how they all expected to be overwhelmed by the dead. Wouldn't have hurt to spell that out for the viewers to some degree though, instead of allocating that time to Davos telling some girl to defend the cryps.

Fully Fledged said:
Yet people make out they are the main protagonists and DnD have spoiled Martin's great big bad..
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First of all the show is independent of the books to some degree and it definitely has build up the WW as this ultimate evil.
Secondly it's not like they aren't a big player in the books, the very first chapter is about them, they drive several characters through the story, GRRM just decided to keep them looming in the background for now.
 
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stepic said:
i hate Jon, but i think i can just about forgive him for not thinking completely straight when on the battlefield in the middle of a war against the undead.
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Yep. 100 yards away from “ending the war” you’re clearly losing - which spells the end of mankind. NK within your sights. Who in their right mind, that isn’t a coward, is not going to try and run toward/sneak up on him?

It’s one thing if I was running, screaming toward the NK, but he tried to sneak up on him, which could have ended the war. The moment was there. Can’t fault him for that, surely.
 
Stole this from a youtube comment:
Ser Davos: Excellent plans, your grace, but what will we do about the Dothraki raping and pillaging the North when the dead are gone?
Jon: Don’t worry, I’ve got it figured out.
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:lol:
 
do.ob said:
There was a scene in the battle for Hardhome where this was actually established.
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GhastlyHun said:
What, how? They never killed the Night King before. Or which part did you mean was established?
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He doesn't mean Hardhome. He's referring to the below scene, which happened only 4 episodes ago. A convenient weakness they wrote into the story very late on. They never established by killing the Night King it would kill all of them though, but that wasn't a huge leap to assume.

We know the Night King raised the dead of Hardhome so he'd have a lot of wights under his control (and the white walkers ultimately). But the other White Walkers would also have been controlling a portion of the wights in the army. So by killing them you'd also be removing parts of the army. It was a shame they didn't decide to have White Walkers be killed and having parts of the army drop on the floor.

 
A sneak attack was the only way to kill the Night King and Arya is the most qualified for that. It only makes more and more sense the more I look back on it.
 
Shane88 said:
A sneak attack was the only way to kill the Night King and Arya is the most qualified for that. It only makes more and more sense the more I look back on it.
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Only she was flying and screaming. So much sense!
 
GhastlyHun said:
Good choice, it's actually fantastic. My favorite moment is when that one jellyfish materialized behind the shark and kills it with a slight touch of tentacle, then all the other sharks perish as well.
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That sounds cool. Did the jellyfish have ninja training too?
 
RedSky said:
He doesn't mean Hardhome. He's referring to the below scene, which happened only 4 episodes ago. A convenient weakness they wrote into the story very late on. They never established by killing the Night King it would kill all of them though, but that wasn't a huge leap to assume.

We know the Night King raised the dead of Hardhome so he'd have a lot of wights under his control (and the white walkers ultimately). But the other White Walkers would also have been controlling a portion of the wights in the army. So by killing them you'd also be removing parts of the army. It was a shame they didn't decide to have White Walkers be killed and having parts of the army drop on the floor.

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Yeah even without the Night King killswitch going for the Walkers one by one would have been a promising route. Pretty much anything but pointlessly fighting the Wights, adding to their numbers.
 
Shane88 said:
A sneak attack was the only way to kill the Night King and Arya is the most qualified for that. It only makes more and more sense the more I look back on it.
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If it made that much sense they might have deployed Arya by Bran's side? Instead of crippled Theon, because the character needed a heroic death?
 
do.ob said:
They showed us how his magic touch turns Babies into WW, but regardless of that it would've made sense to pursue that strategy in a "well, what else can we try?" way imho, given how they all expected to be overwhelmed by the dead. Wouldn't have hurt to spell that out for the viewers to some degree though, instead of allocating that time to Davos telling some girl to defend the cryps.



First of all the show is independent of the books to some degree and it definitely has build up the WW as this ultimate evil.
Secondly it's not like they aren't a big player in the books, the very first chapter is about them, they drive several characters through the story, GRRM just decided to keep them looming in the background for now.
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Jon Snow has built up the WW as the ultimate evil but it was established in season 1 that Jon Snow knows nothing.
 
Fully Fledged said:
She needed him to turn around so she could plunge the dagger in the same spot he was stabbed by the dragon glass.
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It was not the same spot.


She stabs him in his left side.
Also, how would she even know of this spot? She wasn't there when he was created, and Bran9000 hasn't been exactly forthcoming with wisdom.
 
GhastlyHun said:
It was not the same spot.


She stabs him in his left side.
Also, how would she even know of this spot? She wasn't there when he was created, and Bran9000 hasn't been exactly forthcoming with wisdom.
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Dan says it's the exact same spot. Watch from 34 mins on.
 
do.ob said:
If it made that much sense they might have deployed Arya by Bran's side? Instead of crippled Theon, because the character needed a heroic death?
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Wasn't just Theon. It was the Ironborn and Theon who held off the wights for a while. Maybe they deemed he was well protected with a crew of men so Arya did her thing on the ramparts but then shit hit the fan inside Winterfell.

Jon's tried his big heroic charge to try and take the Night King one on one. NK wasn't having any of that.

Dany tried blasting him with dragon fire and that didn't work.

Arya has been training as an assassin for the basically the entire show. She knows Winterfell upside down and inside out. The wights and presumably White Walkers aren't psychic as we saw in the library scene, they can be sneaked past.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
Fully Fledged said:

Dan says it's the exact same spot. Watch from 34 mins on.
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Then I'll take his word for it... However, it creates further inconsistencies. As I said, why would Arya know of the spot, and even more importantly, it was never mentioned a special spot needed to be hit. Imagine the death star destruction in Star Wars EP IV without any talk of that exhaust opening before the final battle.
 
It does make me laugh that you have to watch a documentary to actually understand completely what the writers were trying to tell us during the episode.

Oh well, best to put this episode aside and now focus on the shit storm of the final 3 episodes. Till Sunday. Adios.
 
This is probably the most disappointing build up to a villan ever. We didn't find out anything about the night King. We didn't find out anything about the connection with Bran
 
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Shane88 said:
Arya has been training as an assassin for the basically the entire show. She knows Winterfell upside down and inside out. The wights and presumably White Walkers aren't psychic as we saw in the library scene, they can be sneaked past.
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She could circumvent them because she was not only silent, but most importantly out of sight. That works when you have bookshelves standing around to break the line of sight, but what did she hide behind in the middle of a circle of Walkers?
 
RedSky said:
It does make me laugh that you have to watch a documentary to actually understand completely what the writers were trying to tell us during the episode.

Oh well, best to put this episode aside and now focus on the shit storm of the final 3 episodes. Till Sunday. Adios.
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It's like when Jaime raped Cersei and people kept going on about how that's not what the writers intended. Its their job to create what's on the screen, if they screwed it up it's on them.
 
GhastlyHun said:
Then I'll take his word for it... However, it creates further inconsistencies. As I said, why would Arya know of the spot, and even more importantly, it was never mentioned a special spot needed to be hit. Imagine the death star destruction in Star Wars EP IV without any talk of that exhaust opening before the final battle.
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The Lord of Light was guiding her hand maybe? He has been guiding characters to protect and train her from season one by the sound of it.
RedSky said:
Just as well his armour didn't protect that exact spot. Glad the White Walker smithies are as stupid as the Night King himself.
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He might be tender in that spot and if he wears armour there it chaffs his skin. It was convenient that that spot was unprotected.
 
mancan92 said:
This is probably the most disappointing build up to a villan ever. We didn't find out anything about the night King. We didn't find out anything about the connection with Brian.
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He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
 
GhastlyHun said:
She could circumvent them because she was not only silent, but most importantly out of sight. That works when you have bookshelves standing around to break the line of sight, but what did she hide behind in the middle of a circle of Walkers?
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They're in the middle of the God's Wood there would have been trees everywhere.
 
Fully Fledged said:
They're in the middle of the God's Wood there would have been trees everywhere.
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She's coming from the widest patch of open space to be found in the godswood.


See at ~0:47. A wide open space with dozens of zombies is where she started her jump attack.
 
I totally get why people are upset about the manner in which the NK perished but I'll reserve judgment until the season is over with. Seems to be show writers clearly want us to shift our attention elsewhere...which I hope all makes sense in the end.
 
GhastlyHun said:
She's coming from the widest patch of open space to be found in the godswood.


See at ~0:47. A wide open space with dozens of zombies is where she started her jump attack.
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Keep your logic out of this thread!
Arya is cool, Jon is not. She got the kill because it will sell T-shirts probably with the brown, blue, green eyes thing on the front.

On her way home from Bravos, she got even better tutoring from the butler in Mr. Deeds.
 
padr81 said:
Keep your logic out of this thread!
Arya is cool, Jon is not. She got the kill because it will sell T-shirts probably with the brown, blue, green eyes thing on the front.

On her way home from Bravos, she got even better tutoring from the butler in Mr. Deeds.
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Oh wow! Just realised some of the annoyance is because Jon didn’t “get the kill”. That’s hilarious! Nerds and their misogyny, eh?

EDIT: I consider myself a nerd too. The old fashioned kind. Who was just intimidated by girls. Long before this whole thing of bonding online about how much they hate them.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Oh wow! Just realised some of the annoyance is because Jon didn’t “get the kill”. That’s hilarious! Nerds and their misogyny, eh? Never gets old.
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Not the case for me, anyways. I'm fine with Arya getting the kill, but not with anything about the execution of it.
 
RedSky said:
It does make me laugh that you have to watch a documentary to actually understand completely what the writers were trying to tell us during the episode.

Oh well, best to put this episode aside and now focus on the shit storm of the final 3 episodes. Till Sunday. Adios.
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That pretty much sums up the bad writing criticism. They just resort to big moments over the story.

Also I'm not sure why people think that just because other villains don't have a lot of back story, we can't get some in this...a tv show that has run for 8 seasons. It seems rather simplistic to compare the NK to a movie baddie.
 
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