Could she not have just suddenly run past the White Walkers? I mean she is tiny, fast and a trained assassin. I know it's a rather prosaic answer but....
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You’ve just triggered me with that ‘world building’ comment. Most of us don’t give a flying fcuk about how rich the world is, just tell the fecking story. Feel like Theresa May saying that: Just geeerrrooonwithit!
No - I know he can do it... What I'm asking is why? Why did he need/want to be on the dragon? We've seen the dragons set people on fire/fight in battle scenes before without having someone on their back... so what was the reason for Jon to be on there and not on the ground with the people.
Just seeing if anyone has any theories or anything.
This is too much analysis!
Does Cersie have any wild fire left? Or did she blow it all in Winds of Winter episode?
The plan was to use the dragons against the NK. They can't really do that if they just leave the dragons to do their own thing.
Jon and Dany are able to control the dragons and where they go, so I guess that's why? Better doing that than being on the ground, surely.
This is exactly it.
I did wonder mate
But in reality, wouldn't you? But in actuality, the point was he and Dany would swoop down on the NK when he attacked Bran, which is why they let the Dothraki suffer so long. It was the plan. Dany then fecked it all up by charging in (like the BOB where Jon did, nice symmetry), then they got lost in all the snow/fog. But yeah, he was on the dragon to wait for the NK and attack when he showed.
We've never seen her do it. We don't even know if it would work as camouflage as we don't know how the undead see humans. When you're going into this territory to explain something it tells me it's bad writing. We shouldn't need to come up with new cannon to explain something that happened on screen right?
I'm not being disingenuous at all, in fact the opposite and that's a daft thing to accuse me of.
I'm merely stating that the idiots who use it to have a go at a strong female lead are wrong, and in fact they most likely don't even understand what it means. But I will say just because people want to google the term and use it in the modern meaning, it doesn't mean we should strictly apply it to that meaning. For example, I don't personally think you can rightly call Rey a Mary Sue but justify calling Arya one just because you've taken to assume it means power in a short time so one is better than the other. And even so, Rey had some training and how much is enough? At least be consistent.
If I'm wrong to suggest that, then I apologise and won't talk about it again.
I had to google what that means. Ironic, and stupid
Rey is beautiful, charming and has good heart. She wipes the floor with kylo ren, the most skilled dark side lightsaber duellist in the world the first time, she holds a damn lightsaber. She develops jedi master Abilitys on the fly and ghost Yoda proclaims that rey now embodies and carries all the jedi teachings and abilitys in history after 20 seconds of training with Luke who tickles her with a blade of grass. Shes also the best pilot and mechanic for no reason.
I dont know how shes not the very definition of mary sue
It is, you see the White walkers exploding directly after the NK is stabbed (after you get a close up view of them exploding it zooms out and you see them on the left of screen).
I did like this on /freefolk
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No she doesnt.... she spends most of the fight running away from him. She only gains the upper hand very briefly towards the end - and then they are separated.
I agree with you dude, but you stated it as fact. As far as we know, anything is still possible. For example we can conclude she can't take a WW because they shatter right? But that doesn't mean she can't take a face of an undead Wight, just because we haven't seen it.
I missed a "not" out in that post. I changes the whole thing entirely, my bad
People still think she easily beats him? Wow.
And here I was thinking only Rian Johnson though she was that powerful and Ren was that weak
Stop talking about Star Wars you muppets
Stop talking about Star Wars you muppets
May the force be with you whilst you live long and prosper.
The SJW/Cultural Marxists ruined my childhood!!!Stop talking about Star Wars you muppets
Why is it? You said she came out of the tree but the actual editing tells us that 100% didn't happen. Dont blame me, blame the editing as the tree concept would have been better than having her run past the walkers.
Cheers - that makes sense. Was thinking they could maybe have let the dragons do their thing and then called them back when the Night King came around but I don't imagine they're that easy to control.
Agree. The way they ended up doing it was just utterly lazy.
That's ultimately the problem though D&D can explain anything away with some off screen cannon. Which to me is shite storytelling but each to their own.
Thats again jon in a nutshell, a shit leader and battle commander who nearly committed suicide against the Nk and then wilingly thinks its a great idea to stand up and scream right in the face of a dragon. Jon is pretty much a lemming.
The first time she wields a lightsaber she wins easily when she taps into force and reminds the writers that she is rey.
There is no logic to how she can win vs a prodigy thats trained for years under luke and snoke.
Stop. Discussing. Star Wars. Here.
FFS!
FFS!
The pyromancer she employed is dead
at least in real life. Roy Dotrice passed. He was the voice of some GoT books on Audible and a fan favorite who made a cameo of sorts as the pyromancer in S2. RIP.
Again, I completely agree.
The same reason they tried to defend a castle without bothering to get inside it and why they had to be told to man the walls. It set up scenes they thought would look cool.
Yeah that's a terrible review.
Always thought the original NK looked better although he doesn't have Brans nose which may or may not be a thing.Still think the former N.K looks more menacing
Again she doesn't win... they are both still standing and fighting each other when the planet starts to break apart. If that's your definition of a win fair enough...
Also she is very much losing before she "taps into the force" ... and on top of that Ren, had a debilitating injury at the time, so there's that to throw in the mix too.
@MadMike and @Massive Spanner agree with me... right lads?
She could have hid in the tree, and leapt out (ie not jumped from above). The generals were quick to see it, and perhaps the crowd surrounding the NK were less generals and white walkers but just more mindless zombies like the one they kidnapped? Those would have been slower off the mark.
The incident may have planned out as follows:.
-Arya knows her purpose, exits the room
-Chaos is occurring by the tree as Theon and his men are firing at walkers
-during that chaos she manages to creep unnoticed into the tree (plausible)
-NK comes in, she leaps out at the right time
-generals can sense it even though they are busy ambushing the castle mostly. But the generals a circling the tree (if any) take notice. Remember there was a fair radius around bran, so it's not like they had no space to cover to get to her in time.
-generals presumably have less skill than the NK so they can't throw a knife from long range to hit her.
-arya leaps to the NK. NK is too clever for the trick and grabs her neck
- ultimately NK takes her for a pawn and underestimates her ability to combat. She does the same trick she used on Brienne and changes hands to the fatal stab.
I think that's perfectly plausible to be honest.
They need to use VAR to figure out if Arya killed the NK via legitimate means or whether it was a 'Deus ex Machina'.
After this post i will stop posting about star wars since its derailing the thread, but she does defeat him after she tapped into the force. He lies on the ground defeated. Even Snoke confirms in the next movie that he was bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber. Snoke is literally mocking him for it. At least both Luke and Anakin had were beaten by their rivals before they progressed and became masters. Anakin at least had years of training and luke had battle experience vs vader and was trained by obi wan and yoda.