Exactly, I would have traded it with any of the pointless scenes with Sam for instance
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Pretty generous to Danerys.
She was basically Ashley Young... Vice captain, with lots of shouting and pointing, but gave up on her defensive duties by galvanting forwards and offered little in terms of end product. She then held onto her possesion so long, got swarmed and it ended up being a vital mistake.
Pretty generous to Danerys.
She was basically Ashley Young... Vice captain, with lots of shouting and pointing, but gave up on her defensive duties by galvanting forwards and offered little in terms of end product. She then held onto her possesion so long, got swarmed and it ended up being a vital mistake.
I think we can all agree that the wire is probably the best show thats been on tv. They released a HD version of it a few years ago and it looks great
Does that get her the spear back from where she dropped it in the tower?
so what happened to Ghost ?
The more I think about it, the show has pretty much gone to shit since D&D where on their own in terms of writing and couldn't rely on GRRMs books anymore. So finish up your books GRRM so I can finally get a good story arc here.
what a highly original thought! never heard this before.
She was able to climb back up by letting Bran warg into her. You're welcome.
She did earn it. So did Mary Sue.
People really need to stop googling wikipedia and reading for a few lines before they try to have a point. (this isn't aimed at you or anyone here btw, just the general pricks who throw Mary Sue around like a slur).
I turned my TV's brightness up to max and it still wasn't anywhere near enough. Turned the lights off too. It's an old-ish tv but still.
Spoilers plus insult
It's a fecking trailer, not spoiler leaks, get a fecking grip you soft cnut.
you do realise language is a constantly evolving thing, and what a definition was originally can change?
the term Mary Sue is different now.
Mary Sue was a 15 yo character that worked her way up to the point where she saved the day and upstaged the main hero. That's Arya to a tee
If people want to call Rey a 'Mary Sue' in the modern meaning then fine, be that way. But also you have to call Arya and any number of characters one too. That's my point, it shouldn't be a bad thing and at least if people think it is, they should know the origins and why stuffy arsehole men decided it was.
You’d have to be incredibly disingenuous to suggest that the people who are calling Arya a Mary Sue has the same definition of it as you. I think we all know what they’re getting at. They’re using the Mary Sue as a prerogative, which is how it’s used all the time. Basically calling her a perfect, idealised character who just had things handed to her on a plate. That is not Arya.
The origin of the Mary Sue trope (piece of fan fiction, i believe) is almost irrelevant, as that's not how people use it when talking about fictional characters.
Do share your source. Because, from what I can tell, the term has evolved over the years and there is no clear cut definition.
Yes. And I've referenced exactly that. I just think it's not always the right step, in fact it's backwards in a lot of cases.
People have taken it to be a negative, quick time thing. It shouldn't be.
A trailer is a fecking spoiler, not everyone wants to watch it. You just spoiled something for me = spoiler.
And it's policy in this thread to post discussions about trailers in spoiler tags.
@Wibble knows.
Grass!
It sounded like Jon shouted "Go!" When he stood up to face the dragon.
Redlambs has turned the thread into Etymology class.
Hmmm. I'm gonna have to rewatch. Don't see why they wouldn't make it a bit clearer though if that's what happened. I guess you can say they wanted it to be a surprise but still...seems a bit silly.
Hmmm. I'm gonna have to rewatch. Don't see why they wouldn't make it a bit clearer though if that's what happened. I guess you can say they wanted it to be a surprise but still...seems a bit silly.
Wow, people are becoming such a soft bunch these days. Literally anything is considered spoiler these days.
I'm not being disingenuous at all, in fact the opposite and that's a daft thing to accuse me of.
I'm merely stating that the idiots who use it to have a go at a strong female lead are wrong, and in fact they most likely don't even understand what it means. But I will say just because people want to google the term and use it in the modern meaning, it doesn't mean we should strictly apply it to that meaning. For example, I don't personally think you can rightly call Rey a Mary Sue but justify calling Arya one just because you've taken to assume it means power in a short time so one is better than the other. And even so, Rey had some training and how much is enough? At least be consistent.
If I'm wrong to suggest that, then I apologise and won't talk about it again.
I had to google what that means. Ironic, and stupid
Wow, people are becoming such a soft bunch these days. Literally anything is considered spoiler these days.
It’s written in the op and thread title really clearly mind...
Sounds like it now that I listen to it again.
"Arya ex machina" is another one I've read. Gimps.
As if 6 or 7 seasons of training was just for the craic or something.
Oh I doubt it somehow.
As if 6 or 7 seasons of training was just for the craic or something.
Oh I doubt it somehow.
Nah, Brans crows came down and dragged her up.
Also with this episode, it almost renders the previous episode pointless. The previous episode was specifically there to have one last moment with our main protagonists before they depart for good. They would no longer be able to reminisce on past times, tell stories of battles fought, enjoy each other company. But that never really came to pass as the Night King was dispatched easily and basically all the main protagonist escaped with a few scratches. Now obviously there's three episodes left so people are probably going to die (although i'm not sure with this show anymore), but this episode was built up as THE one.
My point still stands though.
Not even close.
Mary Sue was coined to descrive a fan fiction Star Trek character who eas beautiful charming and better than all the main characters at their specialties.
Arya has always had weaknesses (never attractive, sociall awkward, no talent) and literally spent the entire series in training to become good at only one thing stealth assasinations.
She is not remotely close to a "mary sue".
Hey look, he called me a soft cnut, which is only half true.
Wow, people are becoming such a soft bunch these days. Literally anything is considered spoiler these days.
Especially things expressly prohibited in the spoiler policy.
We also had this build up for seasons with the Night king eying Jon as his rival. They did have some engagement, but a duel in would be fitting with all that build up. Actually more duels with the White Walkers in general would have satisfying.
You saying arya's ugly chief?
She learned neither invisibility nor flight. And they simply ignore how she got to the right place at the right time with the place crawling with Walkers and Zombies. That is a deus ex machina moment.
The biggest characters should have had direct confrontations with 1 or 2 of them for sure. The part of Jon hiding from Viserion's fire only to wanna commit suicide is a bit weird for me.
How dare you?!
It is the first paragraph on Wikipedia thank you very much.
Fine, Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship
Arya is the youngest of all the protagonists, granted. She's not the smartest, doesn't get all the credit, actually hardly anyone knows she's a bad ass. I doubt she knows Karate and I'm sure she couldnt out arm wrestle the hound.
she might die and by grieved by the entire ship though.
I didn't realize the scientific meaning came from a Star Trek fan fiction writer.
Also this, the "Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting. Does not at all fit Arya.
It's fine that Arya does it but there should be no reason for her to now infiltrate Kings Landing and kill Cersei. That would be easy for her in comparison. She just assassinated the most powerful being in Westeros defended by the most powerful army. As Redlambs put it, she superhero' it. All other missions will now seem trivial to her.
I would say that in the case of Arya, then it is not a negative. What about Dany then? She literally goes from being a opressed princess to birthing dragons, surviving fire and cheating Death in all kinds of ways while conquering all in her way mostly. She's was also shown as being a pretty skilled swordsman in the last episode, despite us never seeing that before.