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Ever notice when someone uses D&D to talk about the showrunners you just know its going to be something negative.

Just an odd thing ive picked up on here and reddit.
 
DatIrishFella said:
Ever notice when someone uses D&D to talk about the showrunners you just know its going to be something negative.

Just an odd thing ive picked up on here and reddit.
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Everyone calls them d&d that's literally how they've been known since the beginning.
 
DatIrishFella said:
Ever notice when someone uses D&D to talk about the showrunners you just know its going to be something negative.

Just an odd thing ive picked up on here and reddit.
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What have you noticed they use when it's positive then?

RedSky said:
There are several obvious things though.

#1. Daenerys will survive, she'll be pregnant with Jons baby. Jon who will most likely (finally) die.
#2. There is no way in hell that the White Walkers will be defeated at Winterfell. So expect a draw with Humans having to pull back but a fair bit of damage done to the White Walkers (imagine a few of those will die but so will some of the secondary characters in the process).
#3. It's been mentioned way too many times that Kings Landing has a huge population. From the Night Kings perspective that should be his primary goal. Sack the city and he has an army that's far, far too large and he wins.
#4. With points 2 & 3 in mind it seems obvious that the Northern Armies pull back after a defeat at Winterfell, but the Night King decides to leave them be and focus on moving to Kings Landing.
#5. Daenerys will have aim from the Freys and Riverrun (imo, the Northern Armies will fall back to The Twins, a location that the viewers will recognise and given Lord Frey was killed, we have the Stark family connection with Edmure Tully. So he will call the forces of Frey and Riverrun to join the remains of the Northern Armies and Daenerys to march to Kings Landing.
#6. At this point this is where Cersei and Daenerys finally work together to defeat the Night King in a big fight scene at Kings Landing. Question is that once the Night King is killed what happens to Cersei and Daenerys? Cersei has to die, no way she survives the entire show. It would be somewhat bittersweet if both Jamie and Cersei are killed off and the final Lannister happens to be Tyrion. It seems clear to me that Jamie is going to do something heroic, this has been coming ever since Joffers taunted him when he showed Jamie the book of all the great knights and Jamies page is empty and Joff taunts him for having only 1 hand left.

That's how I see it all playing out. Plenty of room for some really, really epic moments.
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This your Robinamicrowave moment?
 
Hi lads,
I've removed @robinamicrowave thread ban, he's a good lad and I think that all shit in the past was a mistake. Go easy. Cheers.
 
RedSky said:
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I should probably clarify that he only removed the thread ban because I asked him to. I've been posting in the ASOIAF thread every now and then, and that's been okay, even if I have annoyed a few book folks with TV show chat (apologies).

But then I saw this thread bumped over the weekend with the news that GOT's coming back in 2019, and to be completely honest, I got the itch. So I had a think about what happened in here when season 7 ended, read over a few of the posts from when everything exploded, and came to the conclusion that I behaved like a prat throughout the entire season - not just when everything happened.

So I asked if I could come back, and KM's been kind enough to let me back in on the condition I develop thicker skin and behave.
 
RedSky said:
I predicted this a year ago as end of the show scenario, I kind of thought last season (one just been) was going to end with #4.
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Oh I agree with your thoughts, I think the same myself. I don't see it being that satisfying though.

Speak of the devil...


robinamicrowave said:
I should probably clarify that he only removed the thread ban because I asked him to. I've been posting ASOIAF thread every now and then, and that's been okay, even if I have annoyed a few book folks with TV show chat (apologies).

But then I saw this thread bumped over the weekend with the news that GOT's coming back in 2019, and to be completely honest, I got the itch. So I had a think about what happened in here when season 7 ended, read over a few of the posts from when everything exploded, and came to the conclusion that I behaved like a prat throughout the entire season - not just when everything happened.

So I asked if I could come back, and KM's been kind enough to let me back in on the condition I develop thicker skin and behave.
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Oh right. Almost exactly what I told you at the time :lol:
 
Redlambs said:
Oh right. Almost exactly what I told you at the time :lol:
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Ha, absolutely. There's no other way of putting it. Unnecessarily doubling down cost me a few allies in the thread, which sucked, and burying my head from it just made it worse for onlookers rather than those who were involved, which also sucked. After the fallout I just wanted to hide from it and didn't look in the thread again so I never got the chance to look over what happened with a clear head. Even before the season started I got too eager, and I was getting pretty high and mighty, and I was pretty guilty of acting like some smug Game of Thrones mastermind - so, for better or for worse, some time away from the thread was probably a good idea. Very, very glad to be back, though.
 
Redlambs said:
Oh I agree with your thoughts, I think the same myself. I don't see it being that satisfying though.
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I think that's where the shows been setup though.

Edmure Tully has to be back for the final Season especially. Seemed completely out of the blue for them to bring him back only to forget him again. That was more of a refresher for the audience to go "he's still alive, don't forget this guy". Also given the Twins prominent location, seems like a very obvious fall back position. Also means that they'd be walking past the Reeds which means we get Meera again! I can totally imagine a scene with the White Walkers approaching the Twins and everyones shitting bricks after a loss at Winterfell. Fade to black at end of episode. Then next episode they march right by and head for Kings Landing... that's the 'oh holy fecking shit' moment right there.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Ha, absolutely. There's no other way of putting it. Unnecessarily doubling down cost me a few allies in the thread, which sucked, and burying my head from it just made it worse for onlookers rather than those who were involved, which also sucked. After the fallout I just wanted to hide from it and didn't look in the thread again so I never got the chance to look over what happened with a clear head. Even before the season started I got too eager, and I was getting pretty high and mighty, and I was pretty guilty of acting like some smug Game of Thrones mastermind - so, for better or for worse, some time away from the thread was probably a good idea. Very, very glad to be back, though.
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Reading spoilers ruins the show anyway. Stay clear for the final season and enjoy the ride like the rest of us idiots. Makes coming up with theories even more fun and means you can read them back once the shows ended and laugh at how horribly wrong you got it.

Although if you did make a theory of any kind I imagine most here would castrate you. :p
 
)_( said:
Sorry for this tldr reply, once I started typing I couldn't stop.

If GRRM planned this with a Targaryen restoration in mind I will be very dissapointed. His whole point with the Targaryens is that their incest brought about their downfall cause they go insane or they can't/have difficulty procreating leading to stillborns with scales and tails and miscarriages so for Jon and Dany's baby to magically be fine cause they're both such magical people would completely undermine the whole story and make them too much ~special snowflakes~ in my mind. Nevermind the fact that it would be completely lame for dany to suddenly get all that she wants, that's not how grrm works, he won't give a character AND the throne she's always worked for(especially as GRRM is quite harsh with people who seek power) AND a baby AND have her keep her dragons. Also the leaks that have come out that KL might be burned with dragonfire combined with the fact that she's had to be talked out of taking her dragons to KL or burning other cities/people and the fact that her father's wish was to burn the city I think it's very likely she'll end up burning KL whether by accident or not and so fulfilling what her father set out to do in a very sad way cause she's said she doesn't want to be that person, yet she might be fulfilling his legacy. I think Dany will have some difficult choices to make next season regarding her dragons, a possibly pregnancy(though I don't understand how Jon is supposed to get anyone pregnant if he's supposed to be a firewight like Beric cause your blood is not supposed to be flowing in that case and which would make it hard to get anyone pregnant but that's a discussion for another time :')) and the throne, she won't get all three, that's just not how GRRM does things. I think that if she lives she might even go back to Essos, maybe with that magical baby if it does happen , and tries to find a home instead of a throne and find some peace that way. If she does end up burning KL I can't see anything else but death for her. If that's the case, I think she'll realise and be horrified by what she did (fulfilling the Targaryen/Aerys' legacy) and perhaps sacrifice herself in the fight against the NK as a way to counteract what she did.

I do agree that there's a very strong possibility that Jon will die simply because I think there's a high chance magic will dissappear from the world and that would mean that beings made by magic will also dissappear so Jon will die because he was brought back by magic. Combined with his talk with Beric and the fact that he said to dany "I wish you good fortune in the war to come"(which has always been said by someone who's gonna die) and the fact that Sansa said to Arya that "Jon's heart will stop when he sees you again" meaning that they might not see each other till the end (though I'm not sure if that last one will happen cause I don't really see Arya leaving Winterfell for any reason before she sees Jon but still) the signs are very much there for Jon to die. Maybe he'll die sacrificing himself or maybe he'll do something uncharacteristically selfish and be punished for it (similarly to how he died in the books choosing love(familial love for Arya) over his duty to the watch) At the same time, Jon's also been someone who's had leadership unwillingly thrust upon him, and GRRM has always talked about "Aragorn's tax policy" because we only really see Aragorn fighting but not leading in anyway beyond that and Jon is someone who has clearly done that with the watch. I could see that happening again that Jon will have leadership thrust upon him and this would be bittersweet for Jon as it's not something he's ever wanted and he would probably have to leave the North and his people (who are the reason he's even fighting in the first place). I see both scenario's as equally likely but I don't think he'll die very early on.

There's something to be said for Dany and Cersei to be working together as GRRM doesn't like it to be clear cut and all the good guys working together to fight evil but like I said, I don't see Jon dying that soon for this to even happen. I also think that Cersei will die sooner in the books and won't even be involved in the fight with the WW/Others so I don't know if they'll change this aspect that much to make Cersei/Dany possible. And I'm not even sure that the NK will even get to KL as I said I think there's a very strong case for Dany burning KL with all the foreshadowing for it and, in my mind, that would make for a much better story and would fit with Dany's storyline, motives and foreshadowing. I think this might happen in episode 3 or whenever she finds out that Cersei never meant to uphold a truce, there might be something else that will set her off too, especially thinking about all the mentions of betrayals concerning Dany. I think the big battle with the WW will take place in episode 5 and I think there might be more to it than fighting them with dragons. I think that's where Sam and Bran will hopefully come in next season, they'll be working together to find ways to kill the WW though I'm not sure if the defeat will be very clear cut since GRRM has also often talked about the Orcs in lotr and what happened to them after the war. Do you kill all the orcs? Do you kill the baby orcs? Grrm has never been about clear cut good and evil so it'll be interesting to see how it ends and how d&d will convey that on screen.

As for the Lannisters, it wouldn't surprise me if they all die. Cersei will definitely die no question about that. I actually have to compliment d&d on Cersei cause I actually think they did well changing Cersei's character, she's very entertaining to watch and Lena Headey is one of the top actors of the show so I understand why they'd want to keep her as long as possible especially since they didn't include the f!aegon storyline and did who knows what to the Dorne storyline. Jaime, imo, has to die doing something heroic. That's where his arcs been heading, as you said, the book that Joffrey mocked him with and him finally choosing to distance himself from Cersei and make the honourable choice. At the same time, I always thought he'd be the one to kill Cersei though that might be too obvious. I guess he could kill Cersei in some heroic act but somehow that's not really what I imagined with going out with a heroic act. Could go either way with Tyrion. He's not a good person in the books but they've toned him down majorly in the show. Maybe so that people will be more sympathetic to him and his role in the end but it also wouldn't surprise me if all the Lannisters die in the end.

I also think/hope (because Alfie Allen is one of the best actors on the show) Theon will have a larger role to play next season though I'm not sure in what capacity. Of course, he'll be trying to save his sister but I think it's very likely that he'll aid the Starks in some way. In particular, it might be Bran that he helps given their history and I think this will give him the peace of mind that he needs to move on. I'm still annoyed that Jon and Theon talked about Ned when it was Robb who Theon had the closest relationship with and it was him who Theon betrayed (nevermind the fact that Jon didn't correct Dany on the whole last king in the north business, have they forgotten that Robb existed?) I also think/hope that Bran will have a bigger role to play in the fight against the NK. They really did him dirty cause in the books he's a major character and I think the answer to the WW is more complicated than just dragons so hopefully we'll see something of that next season. I just want a bigger and more interesting roles for the supporting characters(though technically Bran is part of the top 5/6 characters) next season.

Tbh I'm actually more interested in the personal and political stories than I am about the battles, and where they take place and between who etc. I don't watch something for the epic battles but for the storylines and the characters and season 7 was lacking in all these things, imo, so I'm hoping they can bring it for s8. I'm more interested in seeing how the North will react to Jon's decisions and to Dany. How Dany will react to the north and to Jaime's arrival and the news that he will bring about Cersei. How will Jon deal with the parentage reveal, who will find out, how will others react? How will Sam react to Dany considering she burnt his father and brother. How will the dynamic be between between all the Starks? We've been waiting for so long for them to get together again but how will it be in reality, how will the parentage reveal affect their relationship? What will Arya do with her kill list? Will the Starks ever remember that Robb and Catelyn also existed or Rickon for that matter? What will be the role of all the minor characters? Edmure Tully, Dany's entourage, who ever is left and wasn't killed off (is Tormund alive, and Edd and the guys at the night's watch?) Will there even be 7 kingdoms at the end, will the Iron Throne be burnt down? Will the NK kill them all and start his never ending dynasty of forever winter?

Basically I've read about a billion theories about what might happen that have all been argued equally well so the only thing they've done is make me confused about what might happen.

tldr: everything and anything might happen to anything and anyone. The End. p.s. The Night King wins.
Edit: actually I could see Dany and Cersei fighting it out at the end both heavily pregnant (or Cersei might've had her miscarriage already as she was supposed to have it last season already) and Dany might win the throne but lose her baby/dragons in the end to win the throne and thus giving her a bittersweet ending. She'll get what she wants and what she's been fighting for but at a high price. That sounds like something GRRM might do. Or Dany might up having to choose between her dragons/child and the throne < in the house of the undying she hears her dragons and goes to find them before she's able to touch the throne, the throne that looks to be covered in snow but it could be ash.
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Holy shit, what a post. The only problem I have with what you've said is how much it's made me wish D&D had given themselves twenty episodes to get this sorted rather than thirteen when I'd finally made my peace with it. :lol: You're thinking about character relationships and the future of Westeros beyond the end of the story more than the showrunners have for about two seasons, haha. Don't get me wrong, I still love this show unconditionally and I'm a sucker for everything it does ('cept the story at Winterfell last season) but I'm eager for the "director's cut" provided by the books when they eventually turn up.
 
)_( said:
Yea sorry about that, went a bit overboard. But like I said, there's so many theories and things to consider so once I started I couldn't stop, probably could've gone on for another half a page. I agree with 20 episodes but I feel like they're kinda done with the show and ready to move on, the actors as well. As much as I disliked season 7 I do think there's been strong hints about future developments in the relationships between all the characters. I can see that in the choices they've made regarding characters' actions and words and how they've framed certain things. At least, I hope those things were done conciously and I still have enough faith in them to think they did, especially since some of the hints weren't really necessary otherwise and didn't necessarily make for interesting television so they have to be in there for a reason.
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I think you'll be left feeling disappointed with season eight if you didn't like season seven, sadly. I think they cut so many corners and bent the rules so they could simplify the story sufficiently, narrow the plot into three separate strands and, as you've said, move on with their lives:

- The White Walkers and the War of the Dawn (Who wins, who dies? Who makes the decisive decisions?)
- Cersei Lannister and the future of Westeros (Who wins, who dies? Does Jon give a shit about his heritage, is Dany pregnant?)
- The battle for the Iron Islands/Greyjoy leadership. (Who wins, who dies?)

I'm hoping they deal with the Greyjoy strand in the first two/three episodes, the White Walkers in the first four/five episodes, and then make sure the Cersei/Westeros' future strand is the true endgame - I'm not sure you can call a TV show "Game of Thrones" and cut to black on anything except the throne. I'm anticipating some kind of time-jump in the final episode (lots of talk in the press about how it'll be a "tricky" episode to create), maybe about five or ten years, so we can analyse the fallout from the Long Night properly, and see how the legacy of the events we're watching unfolds. It's a shame we didn't get The Winds of Winter before season six was written, because I think we could have gone for a good nine seasons - with the final season focusing on the true horrors of the Long Night - but they've narrowed it down enough to produce a satisfactory end, and that's fine, I suppose.
 
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)_( said:
I did put it in a spoiler and I did put leaks before the actual leak, though it isn't really much of a leak more that pics that have shown up on the watchers on the wall of KL being built. Is that considered a leak? Any way I apologise if you didn't wanna know and be more careful in the future.

Leaks already started in October tbf @Redlambs
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Jesus christ, do we really have to go through all this again?

It's simple, if you are one of those that get off on reading leaks then that's great, all the best to you. But you need to not fecking post your 'opinions' spoilered or not in here. The reason why should be incredibly obvious.
 
RedSky said:
I want to smack my head against the wall. How fecking hard is it guys? I mean for fecks sake. :lol:

It's been like 8 years of this. EIGHT YEARS.
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:lol:

To be fair, much like the Walking Dead thread, this is becoming more entertaining than the tv show itself!

Special mention to how rob hasn't even batted an eyelid at the leak talk, someone clearly hasn't learned his lesson :lol:
 
KM said:
Hi lads,
I've removed @robinamicrowave thread ban, he's a good lad and I think that all shit in the past was a mistake. Go easy. Cheers.
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That banned poster was cursed, and you just brought the curse back :lol:

Look what his unbanning has brought upon us; a torrent of leaks and speculation based on pictures taken by spies who hang around the GoT set.
 
)_( said:
I think most people were dissapointed in s7??? At least that's what I've come across both from fans and the media. But I still think and have hope that season 8 wil be decent. I hope that there's at least enough set up in s7 to make s8 worthwhile. I think I have more faith than you in that I do think there'll be plenty of character focussed bits in there with the way they've left off in s7. I've heard about a time jump as well maybe to see whoever is writing the in book/show ASOIAF ending their story or maybe telling it to the next generations? Or maybe it will be a shorter time jump like you said?



I've legit never posted in here before so I thought a spoiler would be clear enough, I thought the point of this thread was speculation and tbf, is it really a leak when it's been foreshadowed so much? But I've learned my lesson won't do it again. (can we do it if we specifically put it under another Leaks spoiler cut? I'm legit asking cause I don't know the rules of this thread and I'm used to discussing the leaks with people so it didn't even cross my mind).
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It's quite simple, if you've been reading leaks and other people's opinions then the chances are you are going to ruin it for others.

Why not just stick to a more dedicated forum if you want to talk about the leaks, rather than risk it on here? I don't get what you hope to get out of it. Rob should beable to tell you that, considering he's only just been allowed back in here :lol:

Basically, if you've been reading leaks and other people's speculation, then don't bother passing them off in here as there's still some of us left who like to just watch the show and figure it out (or fail spectacularily trying) for ourselves.
 
)_( said:
I legit never posted in here before so I thought a spoiler would be clear enough, I thought the point of this thread was speculation and tbf, is it really a leak when it's been foreshadowed so much? But I've learned my lesson won't do it again. (can we do it if we specifically put it under another Leaks spoiler cut? I'm legit asking cause I don't know the rules of this thread and I'm used to discussing the leaks with people so it didn't even cross my mind).
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/spoiler-policy-updated-03-06-2016.350710/

You can check out the rules there.
 
Oh god,it's going to air in 2019 with leaks appearing already?! Everyone is just going to end up reading some major event without even realizing aren't they..

Anyway when are the deleted and extra scenes from season 7 being released ?
 
I just wanted to discuss speculation and I already had bits spoiled for me.

Can we have this post deleted please before it spoils things for others? It's not even in spoilers or anything...

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Just to add - I'm quite glad they're waiting until 2019. I'd rather they took their time and went through things with a fine toothcomb. As much as I think everyone involved with the show just wants to move on, they still have their reputations on the line. Plus, my weekly re-watch plan is only midway through season two right now, so I'm going to need extra time to finish season seven before the final season begins!
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Holy shit this thread is amazing
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The title needs to be renamed:

Game-of thrones-TV-use spoiler for speculation or future talk. no leak talk, no posting trailers or theories by others and no guessing timelines or go through the walk of shame
 
robinamicrowave said:
I should probably clarify that he only removed the thread ban because I asked him to. I've been posting in the ASOIAF thread every now and then, and that's been okay, even if I have annoyed a few book folks with TV show chat (apologies).

But then I saw this thread bumped over the weekend with the news that GOT's coming back in 2019, and to be completely honest, I got the itch. So I had a think about what happened in here when season 7 ended, read over a few of the posts from when everything exploded, and came to the conclusion that I behaved like a prat throughout the entire season - not just when everything happened.

So I asked if I could come back, and KM's been kind enough to let me back in on the condition I develop thicker skin and behave.
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You admit it now then?
 
Rob's tagline definitely is the best thing to come of all this. @robinamicrowave even you have to appreciate the funny side now eh buddy? ;) :lol:

I have tried to read one of your write ups btw, I just haven't found time to go through one properly. I will do though, if you've put that much effort into writing them you deserve at least a look.
 
Redlambs said:
Rob's tagline definitely is the best thing to come of all this. @robinamicrowave even you have to appreciate the funny side now eh buddy? ;) :lol:

I have tried to read one of your write ups btw, I just haven't found time to go through one properly. I will do though, if you've put that much effort into writing them you deserve at least a look.
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Only issue is that Littlefinger has a lower case L.
 
Shouldn't have been un-banned, the guy acted like a massive tosser, got really aggressive too whenever anyone questioned if he'd already watched the episodes and read the leeks.

Plus iirc there are loads still thread-banned from here who did far less than him in terms of spoiling the show (I should know, I banned 'em), don't see them getting back in.

robinamicrowave said:
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Burn him at the steak.
 
Cina said:
Shouldn't have been un-banned, the guy acted like a massive tosser, got really aggressive too whenever anyone questioned if he'd already watched the episodes and read the leeks.

Plus iirc there are loads still thread-banned from here who did far less than him in terms of spoiling the show (I should know, I banned 'em), don't see them getting back in.



Burn him at the steak.
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One of my favourites was this post:

robinamicrowave said:
Genuinely a conversation between my friend and me last night when we were talking about the pacing of this season:

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The font even changes in this 'genuine conversation' between he and his mysterious friend. A telltale sign of cutting and pasting from elsewhere :lol:

But yeah, apart from bringing back the plague, I don't really mind him being back. It's been amusing. Plus, steak is a good way to go!
 
van der star said:
That would be a waste of a perfectly good steak. We could burn him at a stake instead?
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I want to feast on his flesh, but also.. eat steak.
Redlambs said:
One of my favourites was this post:



The font even changes in this 'genuine conversation' between he and his mysterious friend. A telltale sign of cutting and pasting from elsewhere :lol:

But yeah, apart from bringing back the plague, I don't really mind him being back. It's been amusing. Plus, steak is a good way to go!
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:lol: he has a few classics in here all right.
 
I do think if hes allowed back in (probably the worst ive ever seen in this thread) then those others should be allowed to (though that could be causing issues which ill probably regret mentioning)
 
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