Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Massive Spanner said:
Martin is a dick for killing off Ned. Sean Bean was so good in the role. The show definitely suffered without him.
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That action resulted in multiple story arcs - it would never have been the same without him doing that.

it was also the first real "Holy Shit" moment on tv for years for me. it enhanced the show knowing nobody was safe.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I was actually thinking... I know GoT isn't a show about "heroes" and will kill off people and supposedly doesn't follow conventional narratives etc. etc... but feck, I'd have loved it if the show was just about Sean Bean being a proper good bloke surrounded by shitbags.
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He executed a kid for running from certain death to deliver a message to the world about impending doom in the shape of white-walkers. He also was prepared to let himself die for treason without at least setting up a way for his sisters' son to find out who he truly was purely for the sake of his honor. He's no better than some of the other tyrants on the show, except their thirst for power is his desire to be seen as more honorable than everyone else and the reverance that comes with it.
 
Moved To Differently said:
He executed a kid for running from certain death to deliver a message to the world about impending doom in the shape of white-walkers. He also was prepared to let himself die for treason without at least setting up a way for his sisters' son to find out who he truly was purely for the sake of his honor. He's no better than some of the other tyrants on the show, except their thirst for power is his desire to be seen as more honorable than everyone else and the reverance that comes with it.
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Or, he delivered the set punishment for someone trying to escape their vows and the wall, and was spouting some nonsense about myths that don't exist anymore as an excuse.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Or, he delivered the set punishment for someone trying to escape their vows and the wall, and was spouting some nonsense about myths that don't exist anymore as an excuse.
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In the same way King Jeoffrey delivered the set punishment for someone committing treason, spouting some nonsense about the illegitimacy of the current monarch. For someone whose house motto is 'Winter is coming' it really shouldn't be that far-fetched a claim, but why bother investigating the boys' claims further when it was just easier to cut his head off.
 
Moved To Differently said:
In the same way King Jeoffrey delivered the set punishment for someone committing treason, spouting some nonsense about the illegitimacy of the current monarch. For someone whose house motto is 'Winter is coming' it really shouldn't be that far-fetched a claim, but why bother investigating the boys' claims further when it was just easier to cut his head off.
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I think the problem is that you are operating from the point of a viewer/reader in that you know things that the people in the show/book do not. So that clouds your logic in some ways. You say, send a team up to investigate the claims of this individual, but to a character in the book this guy is acting nutty, has deserted, and is spouting about what would be viewed as mythical beings to anyone south of the wall. Even to the men of the Night's Watch they were mostly of the mind that the wall was there to keep the Wildling's out and that was who their enemy was. From a character's in the shows standpoint, there was no reason to take this guy seriously.

The phrase of "Winter is Coming" again is more related to the trouble that the long winters of Westeros present and how you must be prepared for those troubles, similarly as you must be prepared for other expected troubles.

The comparison to Joffrey is off base because there was an agreement in regards to what Ned's punishment would be in exchange for his confession and the safety of his family. That was why there was an expectation that he would not lose his head. Joffrey just went a bit Joffrey there.

Similarly the original rumors of Dany having dragons was not taken seriously in Westeros because, well all the dragons have been dead for a long, long time. Only when the rumors became persistent and from better sources did they begin to take the rumors seriously in Westeros.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
The show would not have become what it is without killing off Ned. Besides, Sean always dies...it's what he's best at.
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I think the show has become what it has now by killing off too many brilliant characters. They've killed off some exceptional well developed characters and have replaced them with some hollow characters who we don't have the same history with and don't hold your attention as well as the ones we've lost.
 
Wow, I thought this thread could not become more annoying - next someone tells me the Red Wedding was bad for the show. :p
 
So... watching this again, this might have been the best / most epic scene from the last season:



Now just some speculation based on this:

With the Scorpion weapon in play, and Bronn knowing how to handle it, surely a dragonglass weapon could be made to thus be shot at Viserion.
Guessing this is how its taken down as its a statemate with dragon vs dragon?
Though would be funny if the NK is riding it whilst it happens.
 
Sylar said:
So... watching this again, this might have been the best / most epic scene from the last season:



Now just some speculation based on this:

With the Scorpion weapon in play, and Bronn knowing how to handle it, surely a dragonglass weapon could be made to thus be shot at Viserion.
Guessing this is how its taken down as its a statemate with dragon vs dragon?
Though would be funny if the NK is riding it whilst it happens.
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It was my favorite battle scene since Blackwater. Right up there with Hardhome.

As far as speculation,
the way Jamie was bigged up as a military leader easily taking out the Tyrells and trying to single handedly (pun intended) hold off the Dothraki...I think he becomes Dany/Jon's main General in the final battles. Probably with Grey Worm dying early on in the season. Followed by dying himself at the end, which I think is one of the most nailed on deaths of all.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
It was my favorite battle scene since Blackwater. Right up there with Hardhome.

As far as speculation,
the way Jamie was bigged up as a military leader easily taking out the Tyrells and trying to single handedly (pun intended) hold off the Dothraki...I think he becomes Dany/Jon's main General in the final battles. Probably with Grey Worm dying early on in the season. Followed by dying himself at the end, which I think is one of the most nailed on deaths of all.
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I think there is so many guesses out there that one will obviously be right and a portion of the audience will say 'how predictable'

Like right now, I the following possibilities for Jamie:
Jamie killing Cersei as she tries to feck up harmony in the kingdom and putting the baby at risk by doing so.
I can also see her joining the daughter of the MadKing in a bit of a twisted plot as its all for the good of the kingdom.
I can see him eventually taking the black, but also at the same time i can a possibility where he ends up dying (and it could be after hes forced to kill Cersei which kills their unborn kid).
Its kinda messed up but also good that there are a number of possibilities rather than just one which is obvious.
 
Eboue said:
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This one's even better:
 
The colour of the flame will also be dependent on the chemistry/particles involved. Not to mention the magic fueling it (dragons are said to be magic, just like the wights). You'd might as well ask yourself why Melisandre's minge monster was made of black smoke rather than some other colour. It's not based on the physical laws of this universe.

And red dragon fire is hardly a normal flame. It's special properties create dragonglass and Valeryian steel. There's more to it than just methane.
 
No updates, but ujst binge watching s5. The first 4 eps were actually good. (they were the 4 that were released ahead of time right?)

I think however towards end of ep4, they made the unsullied look so crap (except grey worm). The rest just fell like jobbers. Selmy looked badass but its a shame he went out when he did.

I know it was kinda addressed in s6 that LF was either stupid or did it on purpose, but im still not understanding his reasoning for leaving Sansa with the Boltons and riding to KL. Was he expecting Ramsay to do nothing to her, or did he just not know (which makes him really silly).
 
If it means they get it right, I don't mind.

On the other hand, I might go on an axe-murdering rampage if they take too long.
 
Damn it!! Just read a spoiler for s8 in the most innocuous of places. Really hope it isn't true, not a chance I would have seen it coming otherwise.

Hope this doesn't become an endemic problem, it's not like I can avoid internet till the next season. Why are people such cnuts.
 
Dante said:
I think the show's been shit since after the first appearance of the White Walkers.
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You mean the season 2 finale when Sam Tarly sees them whilsts crouching behind that boulder? There have been many great scenes since then, to be fair. Some great dialogues as well. But series 2 was something else. Every episode was quality.
 
Nikhil said:
You mean the season 2 finale when Sam Tarly sees them whilsts crouching behind that boulder? There have been many great scenes since then, to be fair. Some great dialogues as well. But series 2 was something else. Every episode was quality.
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White walker first appeared in the first scene of episode 1 no?
 
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