Cersei has successfully experimented with wild fire before and Qyburn is the kind of mad scientist who can solve a problem like the white walkers.
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Cersei has successfully experimented with wild fire before and Qyburn is the kind of mad scientist who can solve a problem like the white walkers.
ANY BOOK TALK ISN'T ALLOWED HERE. FOR THE LOVE OF feckING GOD, STOP TESTING MY PATIENCE.
That's a good point, though I still can't see it happening but it would be pretty unexpected and good.
How would that work with the army having to walk a thousand miles past Northern armies and towns to get there?
You'd have to think the dead don't need to take the King's road to travel. Plus the Night's King might warg into animals and see its easier to take KL and strengthen if major armies are in the North.
Seeing as it's taken multiple series to get as far as the wall even with the timehops this last series they've not got time to reach KL first imo.
Night King can just fly to KL on his own and wreck the place. No need for his army to go with him.
Look speculation based on what has happened in TV series over the last season is okay and encouraged. However when you add in the stuff which hasn't been shown in the TV and is only in the books then this is where it becomes troublesome.
It's not as if there's not a thread where book readers can enjoy and speculate about the show.
Also on the point of getting jumpy about GOT spoilers in this thread, well the rules have been kept in place for seven years and yet people don't follow it.
No reason to get to the wall until you can bring it down.
He was waiting for his dragon.
Well no actually the writers wanted to give him a dragon so they could have that closing shot of s7. There's a multitude of other ways they could have solved the wall dilemma, as well as explanations for why they hadn't yet previously crossed it.
Do enlighten us, from a show perspective.
That sounded a lot more condescending than i intended. I think the most common theory is the wall was built with magic therefore the WW couldn't cross. That problem was inadvertently solved by Bran coming back. The three eyed raven established that once the NK has marked you there's nowhere he can't follow you. It's how he was able to get in to the cave, marking Bran rendered the magic useless.I can't imagine they mentioned that if they weren't going to set it up potentially for later. Now all they appear to have done is put the blame again inadvertently on Jon's shoulders, it's something I'm sure he'll feel responsible for when he sees the wall and the ice dragon. It's just another example and in my mind one of the most prominent ones in how the show has shifted from intricate nuanced dialogue to big ' Hollywood' moments. I think the actors admitted as much before s7, I remember Kit remarking when he saw the script he knew that it was definitely a different show now completely different to what it was before.
@Liver_bird knows way too much. Ban him!
Well, that sounds a little severe.
Can go beyond the magic of the wall still leaves the physical wall though.
I can't imagine they mentioned that if they weren't going to set it up potentially for later. Now all they appear to have done is put the blame again inadvertently on Jon's shoulders, it's something I'm sure he'll feel responsible for when he sees the wall and the ice dragon. It's just another example and in my mind one of the most prominent ones in how the show has shifted from intricate nuanced dialogue to big ' Hollywood' moments. I think the actors admitted as much before s7, I remember Kit remarking when he saw the script he knew that it was definitely a different show now completely different to what it was before.
Can go beyond the magic of the wall still leaves the physical wall though.
That's when the Dynamite comes into play.
Yeah but in that case they could just go around? unless they have to sail? which i don't think they can do. Not too versed on the geography.Can go beyond the magic of the wall still leaves the physical wall though.
They have been stated to not be able to walk under water, and unless they can freeze the sea (doubt it since they had to wait for the lake to freeze during EP 7), there is no walking around it when looking at the map from the opening shots.
That makes more sense, the wights could still get over the wall too, given the numbers. Also I'm sure the NK would be able to bring down the door too.
Yeah, depends on what powers the NK has, but since he hasn't, I'll put my eggs in the basket that let's me enjoy the show.
Was ultimately wondering if I had missed anything significant.
They've always been waiting in part for winter to hit south of the wall and not just in the North but in the southern reaches as well.
Numbers is irrelevant here. Writers could even up the number as they wish.
Stannis army was very big and mighty and one bucket of greenfire away they're decimated to rabbles.
Stannis army was very big and mighty and one bucket of greenfire away they're decimated to rabbles.
Bit of ret-conning going on with that, Varys credits Tyrion with the win yet for all his efforts it was just delaying the inevitable. The main reason Stannis lost at the Blackwater was he was blindsided by Tywin and the Lannister army.
It's more stupidity on Stannis's part for not anticipating that, did he really think Tywin would give him a free run at Kings Landing? I know he had Robb to deal with in the North but he wasn't exactly going to relinquish the Lannister stronghold over Westeros.
I think the Night King had intended to attack the wall on the sea shore, where it would be easier to the hack from. But the dragon made his strategy up for him.
Surely we're past the point where book info is relevant to the show? It's a long time since I finished the last book, and even longer since I read the others, but I don't believe I have any greater clue about what's likely to happen next season than the average Cafe illiterate!
I know how paranoid the posters in this thread are but if you guys are interested in the history of Westeros, then please read A World of Ice and Fire. It gives a wonderful and detailed account of Westeros' history and geography along with stories about important events like Aegon I's conquest, the Dance of Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellion, and Robert's rebellion. The book is supposed to be written by a Maester before Roberts death so very unlikely to spoil anything.
I thought that was just because they were waiting for Winter to come. Now snow is falling in King's Landing and conditions are right.
We aren't talking about what is going to happen from the books. But what has already happened in the first 5 books. People keep mentioning those parts which haven't been shown in the TV show but whats in the books and some of the stuff has a bearing on the show.
The whole waiting for winter thing should be first and foremost amongst any explanations
I think Euron has her
So here are a couple of my theories for the following season based on foreshadowing this season:
The amount of times Dani said she can't have kids and Jon calling bullshit means she and John will have a kid. I'm pretty much 100% certain on this.
Jaime is Azor Ahai. I'll leave out book references as i gather they're forbidden but. there has been numerous ;lines in the show where Bronn and Jaime himself have joked about him growing his hand back. The setting of the wight hand on fire in Episode 7 clinched it for me. Jaime may kill Cersei and in doing so his gold hand will catch fire and grow back in some form. This would make him Azor ahai. This theory links to the one on reddit which I won't quote cos im not sure thats allowed here.
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I'd agree with your theory. Though it is perhaps more likely that Winterfell was called Winterfell because it is where winter fell last time, not necessarily where it will fall this time. I think it might end near/on the isle of faces.
Was thinking of the second one recently but not necessarily in connection to the prophecy. Would be an interesting turn of events. I was thinking Qyburn might find a way of producing a upgraded replacement for his gold hand.
Without reading the spoilers I want to ask you if you are also guessing at a timeline?
The first one is a single prediction, the second one relates to foreshadowing throughout the whole series so far which I think could cause a sequence of related events. Hope that answers your question.
Do we have a game of thrones thread where we can talk about everything i.e. book/leaks etc freely?
I've seen that phrase in spoilers before. It's a book reference. Never been heard in the show.