Huh? Of course not.
Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Top characters according to screen time are...
1. Jon Snow
2. Tyrion
3. Daenerys
4. Sansa
5. Cersei
6. Arya
7. Jaime
8. Sam
9. Jorah
10. Theon
From IMDB.
Fun fact, Ned is 13th despite only being in 9 episodes.
1. Jon Snow
2. Tyrion
3. Daenerys
4. Sansa
5. Cersei
6. Arya
7. Jaime
8. Sam
9. Jorah
10. Theon
From IMDB.
Fun fact, Ned is 13th despite only being in 9 episodes.
feck me, I never thought of the possibility of them getting their hands on a dragon like that!
Surely they're all doomed now? The damage caused by the King bloke's javelin seemed quite OP alone!
Will it fire some sort of ice blizzard ray?
Surely they're all doomed now? The damage caused by the King bloke's javelin seemed quite OP alone!
Will it fire some sort of ice blizzard ray?
Good episode, in parts. But some of the stuff these days in the show just seems silly. Going on this weird expedition north of the wall just to show Cersei 'proof'' was silly and not in line with a show that had usually strayed away from such tangents. And even when they went, it seems as though they assembled this tiny suicide squad to do the job only to give Dany her big moment of being the hero (as usual). Also, why is there suddenly so much emotion/connection between Jon and Denarys? It's like those movies you watch that do a terrible job of convincing the audience of the emotional connect between their characters.
Otherwise, I thought the scene north of the wall was definitely well shot and directed delivering the big moments well. And I liked the ending.
I hope we don't see another Cersei tactical masterclass in the next episode. That narrative has become tedious now.
Otherwise, I thought the scene north of the wall was definitely well shot and directed delivering the big moments well. And I liked the ending.
I hope we don't see another Cersei tactical masterclass in the next episode. That narrative has become tedious now.
I was surprised to see Ser Friendzone and Theon there to be honest.
My main problem with the battle's end result was the lack of general consequence. I could took Jaime living - even when he charged the dragon. But my problem was that after charging the dragon, he conveniently comes ashore away from the Dothraki and Daenerys, meaning he's free to go home largely unharmed. At the end of episode four his charge is built up as an important moment - Tyrion's warning for him not to be an idiot suggests that, at the very least, if he fails he's going to suffer some sort of consequence for doing so. As it ended up, he was fine...and while the charge was a very cool and impressive moment, it didn't really have any lasting consequences outside the episode.
Similar can be said for a lot of other important events. If Sansa outplays Littlefinger it should be satisfying but will probably end up feeling contrived, because it's not an actual, well-written plotline but more just a lot of inserted-in tension because they need some sort of tension in Winterfell.
Probably just by virtue of being in the show consistently since Season 1, to be honest.
This isn't leak stuff presented as my own idea. I had Joffrey's death spoiled for me about 20 minutes before I watched the episode so I'd never spoil anything in the show for someone.
Anyway, related to the episode's title
The Lion & The Rose. Joffrey died.
The Mountain & The Viper. Oberyn died.
The Dragon & The Wolf. X dies?
I'm dreading it!
The Mountain & The Viper. Oberyn died.
The Dragon & The Wolf. X dies?
I'm dreading it!
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I really hope the finale leaks before Sunday. I won't be able to watch it until Wednesday night at the earliest and there's no way I'll avoid spoilers on the internet before then. 
My guess it's arya playing little finger.
She could be anyone, maybe lf was talking to arya instead of sansa and vice versa
The more I think about it the more I wish the White Walkers were never a part of the show.
I agree.
I only asked coz the entire premise of wights waiting for the surface to refreeze was because they couldn't traverse water. And they had WW with them who could have easily frozen it. It seems the writers just wanted some excuse for blondie and the the three dragons to meet WW so the latter can nick one dragon.
They tossed the chains down. Attached them to the dragon at the bottom of the lake. Then they climbed up them to help with the pulling effort.
The fact you're asking that tells me you've never pulled a dead dragon out of a lake using zombies before
I think they've just been handled badly this season. They were always on the peripheral, this ancient, dangerous threat that needs to be dealt with eventually. The problem is the show has been at its best when it's about the war over the thrones and they've sacrificed a lot of that this season in order to bring them to the forefront, I guess so we can have epic battles of whatevz, which has left far less time for the usual stuff and brought in some absolutely ludicrous plotlines to get them involved. I mean, seriously, how many more excuses is Jon going to come up with to go beyond the wall? "Eh, you sure Thoros was dead lads, maybe we could go back n' check?"
Should've left 'em til the final season.
I think you could easily have just left the people beyond the wall as wildlings and have had a better show.
The problem with the White Walkers for me is, and I've mentioned this numerous times, is that i actually like them. They're cool as hell, they have a mystique about them that automatically makes them appealing and i hate it when one of them gets killed. If we're supposed to feel any animosity towards them, then i don't.
I think this is going to be a problem (for me, at least), as we're supposed to be rooting against them as they're building up to an epic showdown between the White Walkers and everyone else. Perhaps it just says more about me, but i won't be rooting against them as i don't find they've done anything particularly egregious (stealing a few infants aside), especially compared to some of the other people in the show who we're supposed to be rooting for.
I'm not sure if that's just bad writing or it's just me, but i don't look at them as the "bad guys"
Meh, not really their fault though. I mean they had to follow the *you know what*
TBF, this can be seen as a final season but just split into two.
I do think the planning and plotting could have been done better for sure, but WW was shown as part of the first scene of the whole show and I like the element of it being added (especially with dragons naturally being a counter measure and vice versa).
Very odd. Ever since season 1 episode 1 all I could think about was the big fight due against them.
Edit ignore that post. I thought you said you didn't feel like they were ever a part of the show!
But then how could it show her following him around the grounds and to his room, then showing him coming out from the shadows when she left his room?
Plus can't she only change into the dead?
She's either a shit ninja or wanted him to watch her watching him. Which would be a fine theory if she then didn't have a row with Sansa about we she found without him present. So basically no, she's just shit at hiding.
I do hope he's done at winterfell though and goes back to KL to try his luck there again as they've wasted his character this season.
So the dragon is their way over the wall.
that would be fecking daft.
basically they're only able to go over the wall because Jon goes beyond the wall to stop them going over the wall.
Actually, the wall magic that is supposed to keep them out might no longer work. When Bran was touched by the NK just before the attack on the 3 eyed ravens lair, the 3 eyed raven mentioned that since Bran was marked by the NK, the magic would no longer be able to keep them out. Now that Bran is on the other side if the wall, will the magic still hold? I can see the NK easily bringing down the ice wall with his staff or something.
I thought she couldnt use someone's face until she kills them?
Yep, that's correct.
The whole white walkers thing just bores me and has bored me since the start. Could care less about ooo bad guys zombies. The actual battle for the throne is far more interesting .
That would be the ultimate Game of Thrones "Good characters getting fecked over because they mean well," to be fair.
Not sure it would be daft really. Having a person bring about X in their attempts to prevent X is pretty standard in various forms of fiction.
For me there are two obvious problems with the White Walkers.
One: they should properly be called the Incredibly Slow Walkers.
Two: the mystique of the army of the dead has been diminished this season by its use in generic set pieces of the kind which will be overly familiar to the audience. They've been built up as the embodiment of the Apocalypse, but their poor performance against our handful of hardy heroes in the last episode doesn't do much for their credibility.
That's the part which annoys me most. They've been the preeminent enemy since S01, what with all the "Winter is coming" foreboding we've been subjected to. Yet, in pretty much every encounter our heroes have we them, 'Hardhome' included, the undead army have yet to have a sizeable success. (Acquiring the dragon, maybe, but that whole battle should have been a far bigger loss for Team Snow and co.)
It's just really bizarre and quite annoying.
Wait could someone remind me why couldnt Benjen come back past the wall?
He's dead. Remember when he saved Bran and Meera, he told them he was killed but the 3 eyed raven revived him. Dead things can't pass the wall due to magic contained within.
He was still half-wight, wasn't he? The spells in the foundations of The Wall don't allow wights/dead to pass through.
Except people keep saying that magic is now redundant since Bran got marked by the NK?
Cheers. Just watched that scene on Youtube. But wights recognize even "half-wights"?
So are people assuming that the NK simply isn't aware Bran has gone through the wall or why haven't the WW just made a bee-line for it then? I think the mark thing was 3 eyed raven cave specific.
Assumption cos of what happened in the cave where the children of the forest were.
They could have easily played that into the story.
Bran sent a raven to Jon telling him about the whereabouts of the undead army cos now the magic is gone. Bran wants them destroyed before they pass the wall as Bran being brought to the Wall by Meera has made it useless against the WW.
Jon thinks the only way to do that is to get as many people as possible. But the obvious answer is just destroying them with Dragons that dany has. Dany goes with her dragons but loses one and is worried about that.
So they need to get the rest of the remaining humans to join forces and that includes KL troops. To do that they need to prove it to them, but Jamie doesnt believe it and he says to tyrion cersei certainly wont. They bring the wight to Jamie who sets up the meeting with Cersei and convinces Tyrion to convince Dany / Jon a truce is needed. (jamie does it cos he has a kid on the way and doesnt want to die knowing its inevitable with Cerseis war against Dany).
Basically same things happen but in a different way.
I would assume wights recognize anything that isn't dead.