What? Tons of time have been spent on showing us she isnt her dad and she isnt a cruel ruler. She has always been that way. The only reason she was pondering taking over Kings Landing was cause she suffered a huge loss and was upset. Tyrion and Jon just pointed out/reminded her dont make rash decisions when you're reeling from a loss.
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How the feck did those wights who were so afraid of broken ice plunge into the icy depths and pull out a dragon ?
They are possibly controlled by the NK?
Who say it's the wight who did it ? I mean the WW could have some super human strength and use those big ass chains around the dragon only for the wights on the surface to pull them.
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Says that Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Kit Harington and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau are on $500,000 per episode.
Says that Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Kit Harington and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau are on $500,000 per episode.
They tossed the chains down. Attached them to the dragon at the bottom of the lake. Then they climbed up them to help with the pulling effort.
The fact you're asking that tells me you've never pulled a dead dragon out of a lake using zombies before
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It's part of my routine weekly training tbh.They tossed the chains down. Attached them to the dragon at the bottom of the lake. Then they climbed up them to help with the pulling effort.
The fact you're asking that tells me you've never pulled a dead dragon out of a lake using zombies before
He can't pass The Wall so he was toast either way. Might as well get Jon out of there alive and hold the rest of the wights off.
Who's dying in the last episode then?
I know the show has shied away from big deaths lately but just have a feeling that someone massive will die. Like Jon trying to save Dany or Dany trying to save Jon. Or summat. Cercei being the mastermind of course.
I used to love reading their reviews after a walking dead episode. Absolutely tore the show makers to shreds sometimes.
Well there was a lot of material to go after. That show regressed quite a lot in a short period of time.
They'll surely kill one of the big five in the last episode to lower the budget next season, right?
It probably won't be who we expect, though.
It probably won't be who we expect, though.
I think it will be a big name but nothing too over the top. Second tier characters mainly. Sansa, LF or Jaime most at risk probably. Also one of Danys advisers probably goes so Grey worm or Messandei
Jaime is hardly a second tier character!
Anyone else notice the massive link that always happened with the NK being one step ahead and always doing things the way he wants. He knew they were going to come, he knew they'd be saved by a dragon... he wanted a dragon more than to kill them all....
I think he's definitely top tier isn't he?? I think the entire story would suffer more from him dying more than than Cersei
How? If Cersei is dead, then Jaime concedes to Dany to save the rest of his men getting burned alive. He already wanted to concede. Cersei is the adamant one.
He should have simply said "the horse can't carry us both". Which is actually true, since even the biggest horses struggle with 150kg weight and two grown men would easily weigh more than that. Even if it could carry them, it would not be able to do anything more than a very slow trot.
The no time argument leaves you thinking "wtf?"
I am sure there might be some explanation to this purpose. I know the directors spoke about it in Inside the Episode but maybe in a later episode, they will go a little into detail.
I'm not sure anyone but Cersei truely cares about the battle for the throne anymore. The show has been constantly telling us this isn't the main story for 3-4 seasons now
He's been one of the most on screen characters since the show started. He's definitely one of its main ones, and a huge fan favourite too.
It's the Zack Snyder Guide to Storytelling. Think of some big set piece "moments", and then write a plot around them. It comes across as unnatural.
I think that's how it ends. Obvious desire from Dany to give Jamie to the Dragons as pay back for her fathers murder.
I see Tyrion talking her out of it and letting him take the Black. Jamie Lannister will end as Lord Commander of the Nights Watch.
Yeah, nothing's really happening organically at the moment, even if it's still good entertainment.
What about Dany? Until the last episode her main aim was to take the throne.
I'd only have top 4 as NK, Dany, Jon and Cersei.
After that you have Sansa, Arya, Jaime, Tyrone, LF and Varys.
I'm still enjoying it, and it's still the best thing on TV at the moment as far as I'm concerned. It's just difficult to get used to the fact that GoT isn't the same show that it used to be in terms of cynicism and tension.
I think the biggest failing of the show is the fact that we are supposed to believe that the Night King has some kind of unbeatable army.
Less than a dozen men without horses or major weapons went north of the wall and comfortably killed 30 wights apiece, probably more. Walkers have been beaten easy enough too.
The dead army has never looked huge. We've seen maybe 4 White Walkers.
Sure, they have the fact that if they kill someone they technically get a recruit, but fight the feckers with fire, burn the dead and they're beaten pretty easily. I guess I could be talking guff if ol' mate just rocks up at a Cemetary and millions of dead people come up for air, but it's not much of a worry as of now.
I'd rather have seen Cersei & her witch doctor get hold of the 'spare' dragon, throw some drugs into it and put The Mountain on top of it. That, plus the southern army would be a threat.
Less than a dozen men without horses or major weapons went north of the wall and comfortably killed 30 wights apiece, probably more. Walkers have been beaten easy enough too.
The dead army has never looked huge. We've seen maybe 4 White Walkers.
Sure, they have the fact that if they kill someone they technically get a recruit, but fight the feckers with fire, burn the dead and they're beaten pretty easily. I guess I could be talking guff if ol' mate just rocks up at a Cemetary and millions of dead people come up for air, but it's not much of a worry as of now.
I'd rather have seen Cersei & her witch doctor get hold of the 'spare' dragon, throw some drugs into it and put The Mountain on top of it. That, plus the southern army would be a threat.
The night king? A top four character? He's never even spoken!
Edit: Tyrone
If he dies, half the show is rendered pointless. So yes.
Half the show? The WW have always been on the peripheral. I mean they're still behind the wall.
Ultimately it's still a character driven show despite the lack of development in this fast paced season. What do you think would illicit a bigger reaction from fans of the show?
NK death
Or
Jaime/Tyrion/Arya death?
But if the Night King dies the entire WW army goes away doesnt it? Then its all about the throne. His death would change the whole complexion of the show in a way that the death of the characters you mentioned wont.
The night king? A top four character? He's never even spoken!
Edit: Tyrone
Of course he's a top 4 character. The show now is basically the undead vs the living. The whole war for the throne is being sidelined massively. If the NK was offed in the next episode the show becomes pretty much pointless for the final season.
In fact he's possibly THE most important character as if Jon/Dany died you'd still have the same wars ongoing.
The show has ALWAYS been about the throne though!
You've a very different definition of importance than I do. Imo it's about the characters we've spent the most time with, invested in, and would be impacted by if they died. The NK is now a pretty integral part of the story but I couldn't give two fecks about him as a character. He serves a narrative purpose, that's all.
At the same time everyone knew there had to be a showdown with the Night King. Thats been evident since season 2.
I'm assuming you're on a wind up?
NK is an important figure to the story, but imo its different to being one of the top characters that the show has been built around. I kinda get where @Massive Spanner is coming from.
Sure the ultimate war is living (led by Jon/Dany) vs dead (led by NK) but NK as a character has probably been shown maybe once per season on average.
Its like Joffrey was a main character during his arc but hes not a top character of the show (if that makes sense). Aghhh doesnt matter anyway, it all goes by definition.
Sure the ultimate war is living (led by Jon/Dany) vs dead (led by NK) but NK as a character has probably been shown maybe once per season on average.
Its like Joffrey was a main character during his arc but hes not a top character of the show (if that makes sense). Aghhh doesnt matter anyway, it all goes by definition.
IMO I think we see a few deaths given its the last episode (basically half way point of the final chapter). Littlefinger I think has to go and it has to be thanks to Sansa, which will complete her arc of manipulating the manipulator.
Viserion's death was the dragon equivalent of those Freefolk extras who died moments before. A character with no background story this season, who has only appeared tiddling about while the camera focuses on the main Jon Snow dragon. Instead of me being upset about its death and feeling sorry for those who know the character I just thought about how this continues the story. feck, even Dany seemed more concerned about Jon getting back than losing one of her children.
For me, decisions in Game of Thrones used to be about their consequences but now those decisions are simply to further the plot. There's a delicate balance between the two that was cleverly covered up in previous seasons by the uncertainty of the story progression, the twists and turns, and the amount of screen time that bit part characters were given - which meant that those people also got added to your list of potential important deaths. The deaths aren't important to me, but the tension and intrigue is what epitomised the essence of the show for me. When Eddard died it made you realise that no one in the show is safe, and that does a massive amount to build up the tension. When you watch something like Mission Impossible and you see Tom Cruise running out of oxygen, you don't feel worried because he's Tom fecking Cruise and of course there's no way that he's going to die.
This episode was the embodiment of what's made me feel disappointed with the show this season. An apparent suicide mission that resulted in the least important (albeit superbly acted by Paul Kay) primary character dying, four extras who didn't even get a single close up before their deaths, and one of the two dragons that have played background roles for a couple of seasons to Drogon. And yes, two of those deaths will have consequences but they are ones that almost everyone would expect to have huge consequences, because now Beric is in danger and Dany's biggest weapons now have a counter opponent. Who in their right mind expected the Viper's death to result in Myrcella being killed by a grieving Ellaria, or Robb following true love resulting in his wife, unborn child, and mother being murdered? They were curveball moments that the show should be striving to tackle instead of going for what's "clean".
There was hardly any doubt in my mind that Tormund was going to be rescued by someone, much like Jon during the Battle of the Bastards, and I was just waiting for it because I now expect the main cast to come through unscathed. This season The Field of Fire was beautifully crafted, and for me it's my favourite battle sequence that the show has done. And not just from a technical point of view either - the focus on Jamie and his reaction to the carnage was wonderfully done. But then they ended it in the same way with the four primary characters in that scene coming out alive. Obviously not every sequence needs a shocking death, but right now they seem to be intentionally avoiding them in order to keep their story going forward in a straight, undiverted, line. For a show that for many years was built of defying expectations, and keeping you stressing through these kinds of moments, it was disappointing to think like that.
.....feck me, I don't half waffle on sometimes...
Nope, you're spot on.