Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

RDCR07 said:
I told you you're making too much sense for a TV show. If they sent 15 wildlings for this mission everyone of them would have died and there wouldnt have been so much drama. No one is going to come with dragons to save a bunch of wildlings. When the mission failed people would have complained they should have sent major characters like Snow or Jorah for this mission cause they know how to fight and they would have succeeded. Its like if Dany invited the King in the North to come to Dragonstone and Little Finger showed up cause he is "part of the North".
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That's where we seem to differ. You seem willing to go with the suspension of disbelief to further your enjoyment of the show. I'm not. There are plenty of shows out there that looked good but just had too many absurd things happen in them for me to take them seriously. Most of these I stop watching after a few stupid things happen.

In the early seasons of GoT Causation was an important part of the story(you did something stupid it would turn and bite you in the ass). Ned tells Cersei he is going to tell the King about the fruits of her infidelity, both him and the King end up dead. Cause and effect. Rob goes back on his promise to the Freys.... There were countless cases where actions lead to a logical and gruesome result.

The early seasons pulled me in to the show. This season has had some good moments The Loot Train battle being the biggest of them. Dany back at Dragonstone another and Sam on Guzunder duty. The problem is that the logic that underpinned the show and helped you accept the zombies and dragons has sadly been lacking. I will watch the show to it's finish and enjoy the good parts that are to come but the stupid will diminish the overall majesty of the show.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
The scripts are done. But no filming yet and there is talk of it being delayed even more than this season.
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Good! I'd rather they delay and change the script a bit so as to avoid this clusterfeck of leaked scripts. I hope they somehow avoid episode leakage too.
 
Fully Fledged said:
That's where we seem to differ. You seem willing to go with the suspension of disbelief to further your enjoyment of the show. I'm not. There are plenty of shows out there that looked good but just had too many absurd things happen in them for me to take them seriously. Most of these I stop watching after a few stupid things happen.

In the early seasons of GoT Causation was an important part of the story(you did something stupid it would turn and bite you in the ass). Ned tells Cersei he is going to tell the King about the fruits of her infidelity, both him and the King end up dead. Cause and effect. Rob goes back on his promise to the Freys.... There were countless cases where actions lead to a logical and gruesome result.

The early seasons pulled me in to the show. This season has had some good moments The Loot Train battle being the biggest of them. Dany back at Dragonstone another and Sam on Guzunder duty. The problem is that the logic that underpinned the show and helped you accept the zombies and dragons has sadly been lacking. I will watch the show to it's finish and enjoy the good parts that are to come but the stupid will diminish the overall majesty of the show.
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Snow and the others had to go because this was their last shot to the convince everyone down South that WW exist. If they breach the wall and the Southern armies arent there to fight with the North, its over. The Seven Kingdoms will fall. So as their last ditch effort, Snow had to go cause he knows what to do rather than send some wildling bunch out there. You dont trust subordinates to carry out a mission of this importance. Risks have to be taken. Its like asking why does a King fight in a battle. What happens if he dies? He has to take that risk to galvanize his other soldiers.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I don't care what kind of logic they tried to make for it you just don't send your king out on a suicide mission. Any chess player will tell you that.
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I agree, but who stops him given it was his decision. (much like nobody would stop Dany from going into battle).
Davos maybe?
 
Sylar said:
I agree, but who stops him given it was his decision. (much like nobody would stop Dany from going into battle).
Davos maybe?
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Davos tried and failed. You can only advise them. Like you said its their decision in the end. And also no one forced these main characters to go. They all voluntarily agreed to go.
 
RDCR07 said:
Good! I'd rather they delay and change the script a bit so as to avoid this clusterfeck of leaked scripts. I hope they somehow avoid episode leakage too.
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I doubt they'll be able to improve the scripts much at this point. Our best hope is they use their best rotation of directors. The guy that did Spoils of War this season. And the director(s) for Winds of Winter, Blackwater, Hardhome, etc...
 
VP89 said:
He didn't ask her to have children. He asked her to make sure she has a successor chosen for her to see her plan through if anything were to happen to her.
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I know foreshadowing gets mentioned a lot with this show, but that conversation felt very deliberate.
 
It would be very interesting how this armistice conversation will go. Like how you can trust Cersei to not kill either of the dragons or Dany herself?
 
RDCR07 said:
Davos tried and failed. You can only advise them. Like you said its their decision in the end. And also no one forced these main characters to go. They all voluntarily agreed to go.
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Oh yeah, thats what I mean. Davos is the only one maybe that Jon would listen to, but then why would he? From a story perspective, Jon saw what happened at Hardhome. For him, this is the only thing that matters now. Stopping a threat esp after reading Brans message via the raven. They are there and close and bringing winter with them.
Winter has 'arrived' at Winterfell and it sounds like when winter arrives, that opens up the path for the WWs to invade. It will be interesting to see how it goes anyway.

The plan was hatched, it had consequences, they lost somebody, they lost some no-names but more importantly, they lost a freakin dragon from the war (and unknown to them, they aided the very enemy they fear by giving him one big muthafreakin dragon).

Carl said:
I know foreshadowing gets mentioned a lot with this show, but that conversation felt very deliberate.
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I think it was more planting of the seeds than foreshadowing (not quite telegraphing it).
Possibly:
I think with Jorah mentioning that Jon can give his weapon to his sons, meanwhile with Dany being told to get a successor, I wouldnt be surprised if the aunt and nephew get it on and end up having a kid. At the same time, I kinda dont want it to happen. :nervous:
 
RDCR07 said:
It would be very interesting how this armistice conversation will go. Like how you can trust Cersei to not kill either of the dragons or Dany herself?
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At the same time, theyve had it before with the Baratheon brothers meeting and even Jon meeting with Ramsay. I think it will be similar. They meet knowing it would be stupid to make an attempt as they are sealing their own fate.
Its just depends on who each side brings and whether they can be trusted.
 
Sylar said:
I think with Jorah mentioning that Jon can give his weapon to his sons, meanwhile with Dany being told to get a successor, I wouldnt be surprised if the aunt and nephew get it on and end up having a kid. At the same time, I kinda dont want it to happen. :nervous:
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But isnt she infertile supposedly?

Also two things Dany mentioned last episode - She said Jon Snow was too small for him? Like in what terms? Also why did she tell Jon about not having any more children. Its not like they are a couple and Jon wants a baby. That part seemed out of place to me.
 
RDCR07 said:
But isnt she infertile supposedly?

Also two things Dany mentioned last episode - She said Jon Snow was too small for him? Like in what terms? Also why didnt she tell Jon about not having any more children. That part seemed out of place to me.
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Maybe. But then again maybe Targ screwing a half-Targ is what she needs
Maybe she meant small cos she saw him naked like Tormund did. "They call you God. What sort of a God has a tiny pecker" rofl.
Why didnt she or why did she?
I thought she did and it was cos she lost a dragon after he showed his sorrow to her.
 
RDCR07 said:
But isnt she infertile supposedly?

Also two things Dany mentioned last episode - She said Jon Snow was too small for him? Like in what terms? Also why did she tell Jon about not having any more children. Its not like they are a couple and Jon wants a baby. That part seemed out of place to me.
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Height-wise, she hasn't seen his Longclaw yet.

Jon/Kit Harrington's height has been remarked upon twice season this with her and Gendry. Apparently he's only 5'6 or 5'7.
 
Sylar said:
Maybe. But then again maybe Targ screwing a half-Targ is what she needs
Maybe she meant small cos she saw him naked like Tormund did. "They call you God. What sort of a God has a tiny pecker" rofl.
Why didnt she or why did she?
I thought she did and it was cos she lost a dragon after he showed his sorrow to her.
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Shane88 said:
Height-wise, she hasn't seen his Longclaw yet.

Jon/Kit Harrington's height has been remarked upon twice season this with her and Gendry. Apparently he's only 5'6 or 5'7.
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But its not like she is as tall as Brienne of Tarth. He is taller than her. But she did see he is good at fighting towards the end.
 
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Hope my boy Jaime actually ends Daenerys next time.

As long as Jaime gets a good ending, idec.
 
Kazi said:
Hope my boy Jaime actually ends Daenerys next time.

As long as Jaime gets a good ending, idec.
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My girl hope he gets slain by Cercei just so Cercei can get a bit of torture before she dies (Jaime would make it quick). :lol:
 
HBO just released the season finale info. It's gonna be 80 minutes long and called

"The Dragon and the Wolf"
 
RDCR07 said:
But if it isnt a child who can it be? I thought only family lineages work when succession to the throne comes into question. You cant just nominate somebody from the outside can you like they do at the Nights Watch?
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Tyrion's basically keen on introducing the concept of democracy to King's Landing.
 
I'm struggiling with this problem people have about them going beyond the wall. How else were they supposed to convince allhe lords in westerns and some that hate them to fight under one banner against an enemy none of them have ever seen. They had to go beyond the wall and capture a wight.
Yes it's dangerous, that is the point. You also have 4 veterans of battle and proper knights going on this mission.
Teams do extractions now with the same numbers.
Them going after a wight made perfect sense to me, the only annoying thing about it was that there should probably have been more threat to the main characters. I'd however class a dragon as a main character.
 
RDCR07 said:
The budgets the whole reason the show is ending quick and early isnt it? Wonder how much their budget is per season? 150m?
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Would think it's more than that. Emilia,Kit,Lena,Peter and some others get 2mil an episode. They must get close to a movie budget. I hope HBO really go nuts for the final season and just say do it.
Watching those behind the scenes episodes for Loot Train and the latest one some of the scenes and the work put in to them. Cemented a whole quarry and painted it white for the latest episode.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Aye, the true hero of the show. A child murdering, cousin slaying, king killing, incestuous rapist. A great man.
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I don't get people's love for Jaime. He attempted to murder Bran without a second thought. He walks around thinking of himself as this honorable man who is just misunderstood but he's a dick. Tyrion was more of a father to Joffrey than he ever was despite Jaime seeing what Joffrey was becoming. I truly hope Arya kills him.
 
When they showed something moving in the distance in the snow i thought it was Ghost. Turned out to be a bear.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
I don't get people's love for Jaime. He attempted to murder Bran without a second thought. He walks around thinking of himself as this honorable man who is just misunderstood but he's a dick. Tyrion was more of a father to Joffrey than he ever was despite Jaime seeing what Joffrey was becoming. I truly hope Arya kills him.
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Yeah but he's disabled and very handsome.
 
The fact that the Wights are sentient enough to not jump into the water and die like zombies is a major game changer.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
I don't get people's love for Jaime. He attempted to murder Bran without a second thought. He walks around thinking of himself as this honorable man who is just misunderstood but he's a dick. Tyrion was more of a father to Joffrey than he ever was despite Jaime seeing what Joffrey was becoming. I truly hope Arya kills him.
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He's a good person who's been corrupted by Cersei. He hasn't been a dick since he lost his hand really but granted he was a bit of a dick prior to that. He was also p4p with a sword in his hand when he had two so you have to pour some respect on his name. Also, Nikolaj is the best actor on the show.
 
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