Dragons, white walkers, zombies, and all the characters and places in the show agree.
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Dragons, white walkers, zombies, and all the characters and places in the show agree.
You can see the water throughout the scene.
To be fair, you might be excused for missing the water in this scene... due to you know... the huge fire breathing dragon... thing.
Ain't no dragon in that scene. It's a wyvern.
This man knows his mythical creatures. So annoying when people mix up their wyverns and dragons and amphipteres and wyrms. Wonder how GRRM got that wrong.
Despite its implausibility - a river doesn't go from 2 inches deep to a bottomless abyss in 6 ft - the water is necessary to save Jaime. It's difficult to justify him surviving a sustained burst of dragon fire without it. Also the final shot of him sinking into the depths is very striking.
Did people expect Jamie to just to be saved and just fall into a small puddle and the episode end? Come on. It's obvious why they show it him in deep water. Symbolic, cliff hanger, dramatic viewing. Pick one.
Would be funny though if hes saved from the fire, to only end up drowning right at the beginning of the next episode 
The entire narrative of the battle sequence is filmed as if it was experienced by Jaime, as confirmed by the producers in the "Making Of" clip. This is to show the horrors of the dragonfire inferno and to elevate the sense of destruction and one-sidedness of the battle.
The sinking scene at the end might be similar in that Jaime's hopeless feeling of getting dragged to the bottom by his heavy armour and golden hand makes the water seem way deeper than it actually is.
I guess we'll see in the next episode when Jaime gets pulled out of the river.
The sinking scene at the end might be similar in that Jaime's hopeless feeling of getting dragged to the bottom by his heavy armour and golden hand makes the water seem way deeper than it actually is.
I guess we'll see in the next episode when Jaime gets pulled out of the river.
Ah yes, I can see it now. Opening scene, Jaime thinks he's drowning but turns out to be waving his hands and squirming in a little puddle. Seems legit.
It's also funny how none of the Starks seem to give a shit about Rickon.
Except for Jon's reaction in trying to save him at the beginning of the Battle of the Bastards. No sense showing endless discussion of Rickon's death, it really would not further or expand on the story line.
He was their little brother, though. Y'think at least Arya would ask considering she thought him and Bran were dead, and Bran is back.
I've pointed out in a couple of posts that the sort of scene is not that uncommon in movies/shows when showing someone "going under" as you say it is a symbolic/dramatic effect, probably not meant to be taken literally, but we shall see in the next episode.
Or you know they just left that out because it was not seen as important to show the conversation. You know sort of how story telling in books, movies, etc works. Not every conversation a character has in their life is shown, things the writer feels are not needed are just left out. I guess I really don't get the need for people to show how clever they think they are by picking some minor point out and then wumming about it not being included are maybe there really are that many people who are just too stupid to understand how story telling works.
Flying over the top of the water making a cool wake effect of the surface of the water as it passes.
Re-watching the episode
Little Finger says to Bran, "I would have stopped that dagger with my hearth if I could."
Is that Prophetic? We know how the show loves it's foreshadowing.
Little Finger says to Bran, "I would have stopped that dagger with my hearth if I could."
Is that Prophetic? We know how the show loves it's foreshadowing.
the show is the all time great for foreshadowing. I think given what we know about bran, him handing arya that dagger is littlefingers fate sealed
I think you're right. I could definitely see Arya throwing it into Littlefinger's fireplace.
I think it's obvious that the dagger is going to bite LF in the arse. There was way too much foreshadowing in that scene. (and that's just my own educated guess - I'm so far oblivious to any leaks)
in a way, the dramatic irony surrounding that dagger is fascinating. Most of us pretty much know what will happen with that dagger, but littlefinger has no clue.
Well no shit. Thats like saying we all knew who killed Joffrey back when he died but Jamie had no clue until the last episode. We, as an audience know what will happen but the characters of course wont?
I meant as it relates to littlefingers whole character specifically.
It's Dickon.
Just a little tribute for sappy Jon Snow fans like me. A bit over the top and a tad cheesy, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Some great older scenes I had forgotten, especially in the last few minutes with all the Stark stuff.
Although I doubt Jon Snow will ever end up as king of anything (commander of an army at best, is my guess), he's a great character and probably the most honorable chap left on the show.
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I think you're right. I could definitely see Arya throwing it into Littlefinger's fireplace.
I think it's obvious that the dagger is going to bite LF in the arse. There was way too much foreshadowing in that scene. (and that's just my own educated guess - I'm so far oblivious to any leaks)
Although I agree, I just can't see it ending for Littlefinger like that without some MAJOR drama. He's been skulking about in the shadows for the last 5-6 episodes without doing a damn thing except frown at Jon and smile slyly at Sansa. And he's had a bit of screen time too. If Arya (or someone else) just kills him off unceremoniously because they suddenly decide they don't trust him I'll be very disappointed. Perhaps, before his death, he'll dispatch of one of the Stark children? Would be a great shock and an awesome bit of television drama if they do it right. And no, I've not been spoiled or read any leaks, just "wishful" thinking on my part. We're well overdue a shocking death in this show!
Right after that, Arya's face lifts and then when Sansa says nothing, she realises it means Rickon's dead.
Probably not enough showtime for them to show the conversation about it but I would have like a moment right when Sana says Bran's back then when Sansa looks grief stricken behind Arya and Arya turns to see Rickon's statue behind her. Would have been a nice touch for me.
Sansa and Arya's reunion was nice but Jon and Arya's will be amazing. It better happen.
*snicker*
Regarding Littlefinger and his role at this point.....
I would imagine he's going to instigate some sort of conflict between Sansa and Jon. I can’t see what point there is to him other than his influence on Sansa.
We've already seen some tension between Sansa and Jon. I also thought it was notable than when Bran showed up she immediately told him "you're father's last living trueborn son, you're Lord of Winterfell now", which hardly chimes with the idea that she now sees Jon as an equal member of the family. Once she finds out that he's not even Ned's son (which she will given Bran knows and lacks the chill not to blurt it out) maybe she'll be even less keen on him ruling over Winterfell & the north? Especially if he argues in favour of submitting to his aunt Dany?
Meanwhile, Chekov's dagger (with the power to poetically kill Littlefinger) has been given to Arya (who would certainly be on Jon's side, is happy to stab people and is already giving Littlefinger dirty looks).......
We've already seen some tension between Sansa and Jon. I also thought it was notable than when Bran showed up she immediately told him "you're father's last living trueborn son, you're Lord of Winterfell now", which hardly chimes with the idea that she now sees Jon as an equal member of the family. Once she finds out that he's not even Ned's son (which she will given Bran knows and lacks the chill not to blurt it out) maybe she'll be even less keen on him ruling over Winterfell & the north? Especially if he argues in favour of submitting to his aunt Dany?
Meanwhile, Chekov's dagger (with the power to poetically kill Littlefinger) has been given to Arya (who would certainly be on Jon's side, is happy to stab people and is already giving Littlefinger dirty looks).......
That look after Sansa told her that Bran was back was because she realised it wasn't all good news. The bad being that Bran is now an emotionless robot. It wasn't anything to do with Rickon. At least that's how I read it.
Yeah, Arya might've not even been old enough to understand the neurological impacts of spinal cord injuries.
I'm seeing quite a lot about the Stark kids not mentioning Rickon but Arya's first proper scene back at Winterfell is in the crypt.
Surely she'd have seen Rickon's burial site in there, considering that's where he is?
Surely she'd have seen Rickon's burial site in there, considering that's where he is?
TBF I think Arya thought everyone was dead, she probably just happy to see some living siblings.
I'd say Rickon's actor must be pretty annoyed. Rest of the Stark kids are in pretty much every season (sorry, Robb) and probably on mega-money.
He got brought back after years away to run through a field and die.
He got brought back after years away to run through a field and die.
They know the role they're signing up for, they'll have run him through the timeline of the character he was playing.
This is a good point. Would have been hard to miss surely. I think it was more implied then 'wasting' time talking about the situation and how it affects them.
Not to mention one sibling is a magic wielding assassin who is so good at swordfighting she can take on fecking Brienne of Tarth with a glorified pairing knife, one has an omniscient vision of the past, one is the most powerful woman in the world that doesn't have a throne, and the supposed half-sibling got elected to be a king after he had been brought back from the dead.
I know I'd be jealous...
I hope Littlefinger kills Arya or Jon just for the meltdown. Although his "hehehe I'm watching and scheming" looks have become extremely tedious so they might as well kill him off. Just not Arya please, her Frey massacre was already over the top, no problems with her showing skills in a training fight vs Brienne but I'd be annoyed if they now push her revenge mission as if this is Kill Bill.
The Dothraki attack was awesome. They've been almost forgotten those past seasons with all the other stuff going on but back in season one they were rightfully feared (Quote Robert: "Only an idiot would face them in open field", take notice Jaime) and it finally showed why. I would've been satisfied with them only destroying that train but showing the dragon in action was fine as well.
Despite this, the whole war isn't really done in a satisfying way for me with all the lacking context. I understand that the pace has picked up so I don't even want to complain about the famous time traveling but it seems like fecking no one is using any sort of scouts. All those 'surprise attacks' make great cinema but it feels like they basically flip a coin when it comes to who's supposed to win the battle and make up the circumstances after. This side gets surprised, than that side gets surprised, rinse, repeat. Bit of a wasted potential in my opinion.
The Dothraki attack was awesome. They've been almost forgotten those past seasons with all the other stuff going on but back in season one they were rightfully feared (Quote Robert: "Only an idiot would face them in open field", take notice Jaime) and it finally showed why. I would've been satisfied with them only destroying that train but showing the dragon in action was fine as well.
Despite this, the whole war isn't really done in a satisfying way for me with all the lacking context. I understand that the pace has picked up so I don't even want to complain about the famous time traveling but it seems like fecking no one is using any sort of scouts. All those 'surprise attacks' make great cinema but it feels like they basically flip a coin when it comes to who's supposed to win the battle and make up the circumstances after. This side gets surprised, than that side gets surprised, rinse, repeat. Bit of a wasted potential in my opinion.
Sansa will suddenly turns to be a bamf, stabs lf while seducing him into her bed, having a wild sex before brandishing that dagger and stabs him
"the north remembers"
Lol
"the north remembers"
Lol