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you mean the guy who had most of what should have been his bannermen side with Renly, then with the Lannisters. The guy who got beat at the battle of blackwater. Then defeated and killed by the Boltons. Sort of proves my point doesn't it. He may have had a good claim "legally" to the thrown, but did not have the power to back it up.
Yep, you're right. I was agreeing with you.
 
Also Bronn even expresses his concern over the debt despite the Lannisters reputation in the clip I posted above.

Jaimie - "The Lannisters always pay their debts"
Bronn - "Aye, just not to me."
He wasn't being serious.
 
Im guessing that was Bronn that dove at the end?

Also im guessing Drogon might be a little hurt but not killed, right? Id hate to see that spear be the thing that kills dragons. It looks so insignificant in size to do real damage to that big fecker of a dragon.

I like that it was Bronn that fired it though. Given how he fired the arrow in Blackwater too. Aim of a G.
Qybirn likes his poison though. I wouldnt be surprised if the arrow heads were doused in something interesting. Drogon could join the army of the dead!
 
Still can't get over that awesome Arya scene. I think for dramatic effect Bronn, should have died to keep it realistic and even more scary for future episodes but in all fairness, he's such a good character to have around so I can forgive the producers for not going in for the kill.

  • I think the 'Good Heart' etc is some pretty blatant foreshadowing of Jon and Danaerys being pushed towards a hook-up, however I just can't see Jon and Danaerys riding off into the sunset with their dragons in tow. That is not how Game of Thrones works. One thing that has always caught my eye when going through past seasons is how Sansa is described as the 'Key to the North', 'will outlive us all' and in GRRM's old scripts, he had Arya falling in love with Jon and there being a love triangle of sorts near the climax of the story. For me it would be in line with his thinking but also super interesting if Jon is put in an uncompromising position between Danaerys and Sansa. He is both Targaeryan and Stark, whereas these women are both women solely of those houses. He is the only one who can reunite both North and South and it would echo the original invasion of Westoros, if he was to get with both Danaerys and Sansa aka married to two relatives incestuously.
  • Bran just blows my mind.. trying to make sense of him is crazy. Theories about him being the night king etc seem far fetched.. one thing is clear to me, he is overall a force for good. Him giving the dagger to Arya, him wanting to speak to Jon, the night king being after him.. these are all indicators that he is a hero rather than a villain. My interpretation of him is that he is the same Brandon Stark who built the first wall, or a reincarnation of him of some sort. He helped establish the 'A stark must always be at winter fell' motto to ensure that in the war of the Long Night, all the necessary characters will be in place to keep the Others at bay. Either way, the White Walkers will want and need to destroy him in order to shape the past, present and future to their liking.
  • Arya's kill list.. remember Melisandre making a comment about 'shutting brown, blue, green eyes'? That should theoretically give us major clues as to who she will kill, but having her kill Littlefinger straight away seems too easy post Bran's comments. I think Sansa will turn on her own sister and Bran, before seeing the light and then he will be seen off by Ayra.



Wow..
 
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Speculation on Jon Snow and dragons:

Does anyone else think he possibly could come to control one of the two smaller dragons? Maybe that could be come in handy against the White Walkers? What a sight that would be - Dany on drogon and Jon on Rhaeger. Or maybe Drogon dies (hopefully not) and they both ride the two smaller dragons?
 
Speculation on Jon Snow and dragons:

Does anyone else think he possibly could come to control one of the two smaller dragons? Maybe that could be come in handy against the White Walkers? What a sight that would be - Dany on drogon and Jon on Rhaeger. Or maybe Drogon dies (hopefully not) and they both ride the two smaller dragons?

Some of the oldest speculation about the series
 
Still can't get over that awesome Arya scene. I think for dramatic effect Bronn, should have died to keep it realistic and even more scary for future episodes but in all fairness, he's such a good character to have around so I can forgive the producers for not going in for the kill.




Wow..

Half the scene was apparently filmed in one shot which just adds to the wow factor.
 
Hey, I have this bright idea. Can someone here forward this post to Jon on my behalf? In stead of wasting time showing her cave paintings and such, why does he not just take Dany on the next dragon flight to beyond the wall for an aerial view of the Dead Army?
 
Hey, I have this bright idea. Can someone here forward this post to Jon on my behalf? In stead of wasting time showing her cave paintings and such, why does he not just take Dany on the next dragon flight to beyond the wall for an aerial view of the Dead Army?
Erm the cave is closer and she believes him now? Also she is in the middle of a war?
 
Erm the cave is closer and she believes him now? Also she is in the middle of a war?

True, but how much time can it take? They can come back in about half a day, then have lunch afterwards!
 
Just saw the latest episode. Wouldn't it be funny if after John showed Khaleesi the wall drawings, she looks at his hand and see him holding a piece of chalk?
 
True, but how much time can it take? They can come back in about half a day, then have lunch afterwards!
They are pretty far south. Just because they have dragons doesnt mean they can cover that distance in half a day. Jon doesnt have an accurate location as to where the WW are currently at this point in time. He saw them last at Hardhome. You cant expect them to just keep flying beyond the wall until they spot the walkers. Also as @JustAFan mentioned, she didnt technically believe him until he showed her all those paintings.
 
Was on holiday at a place with a crappy wifi and could only watch the episode now. Fantastically entertaining stuff from start to finish (even though we suffered from the 'teleporting armies' phenomenon that is commonplace in this shortened series).

I'm just in doubt about something from the scene in the cave. (And I apologize if it's been discussed before. Didn't we learn in previous seasons from the Bran/3 Eyed Raven arc
that the Children of the Forest made the White Walkers from men to prevent themselves from being overrun? Wouldn't the story that Jon was telling Daenery's based on the pictures in the cave be wrong, or at least incomplete?
 
I'm just in doubt about something from the scene in the cave. (And I apologize if it's been discussed before. Didn't we learn in previous seasons from the Bran/3 Eyed Raven arc
that the Children of the Forest made the White Walkers from men to prevent themselves from being overrun? Wouldn't the story that Jon was telling Daenery's based on the pictures in the cave be wrong, or at least incomplete?
Nah, the Children of the Forest quickly realised the White Walkers were out of control so they formed The Pact with the First Men in order to join their forces and beat the White Walkers back to the Land of Always Winter. It was called The War for the Dawn.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pact

http://iceandfire.wikia.com/wiki/War_for_the_Dawn
 
Was on holiday at a place with a crappy wifi and could only watch the episode now. Fantastically entertaining stuff from start to finish (even though we suffered from the 'teleporting armies' phenomenon that is commonplace in this shortened series).

I'm just in doubt about something from the scene in the cave. (And I apologize if it's been discussed before. Didn't we learn in previous seasons from the Bran/3 Eyed Raven arc
that the Children of the Forest made the White Walkers from men to prevent themselves from being overrun? Wouldn't the story that Jon was telling Daenery's based on the pictures in the cave be wrong, or at least incomplete?
The children of the forrest couldn't control the white walkers, hence later having to join humans in fighting them.
 
Nah, the Children of the Forest quickly realised the White Walkers were out of control so they formed The Pact with the First Men in order to join their forces and beat the White Walkers back to the Land of Always Winter. It was called The War for the Dawn.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pact

http://iceandfire.wikia.com/wiki/War_for_the_Dawn
So the children of the forest created the white walkers to defend themselves against the first men only for them to form an alliance with the first men against the white walkers ?
 
Still can't get over that awesome Arya scene. I think for dramatic effect Bronn, should have died to keep it realistic and even more scary for future episodes but in all fairness, he's such a good character to have around so I can forgive the producers for not going in for the kill.

  • I think the 'Good Heart' etc is some pretty blatant foreshadowing of Jon and Danaerys being pushed towards a hook-up, however I just can't see Jon and Danaerys riding off into the sunset with their dragons in tow. That is not how Game of Thrones works. One thing that has always caught my eye when going through past seasons is how Sansa is described as the 'Key to the North', 'will outlive us all' and in GRRM's old scripts, he had Arya falling in love with Jon and there being a love triangle of sorts near the climax of the story. For me it would be in line with his thinking but also super interesting if Jon is put in an uncompromising position between Danaerys and Sansa. He is both Targaeryan and Stark, whereas these women are both women solely of those houses. He is the only one who can reunite both North and South and it would echo the original invasion of Westoros, if he was to get with both Danaerys and Sansa aka married to two relatives incestuously.
  • Bran just blows my mind.. trying to make sense of him is crazy. Theories about him being the night king etc seem far fetched.. one thing is clear to me, he is overall a force for good. Him giving the dagger to Arya, him wanting to speak to Jon, the night king being after him.. these are all indicators that he is a hero rather than a villain. My interpretation of him is that he is the same Brandon Stark who built the first wall, or a reincarnation of him of some sort. He helped establish the 'A stark must always be at winter fell' motto to ensure that in the war of the Long Night, all the necessary characters will be in place to keep the Others at bay. Either way, the White Walkers will want and need to destroy him in order to shape the past, present and future to their liking.
  • Arya's kill list.. remember Melisandre making a comment about 'shutting brown, blue, green eyes'? That should theoretically give us major clues as to who she will kill, but having her kill Littlefinger straight away seems too easy post Bran's comments. I think Sansa will turn on her own sister and Bran, before seeing the light and then he will be seen off by Ayra.



Wow..


Well the prophesy is that Azor Ahai (Could it be Jon Snow?) will bring Lightbringer by killing the one he loves? Kills her by stabbing her in the heart?
 
So the children of the forest created the white walkers to defend themselves against the first men only for them to form an alliance with the first men against the white walkers ?
Yeah cause the white walkers were a bigger threat than the first men?
 
So the children of the forest created the white walkers to defend themselves against the first men only for them to form an alliance with the first men against the white walkers ?
Yep. Because the White Walkers went rogue.
 
People are still posting book spoilers and stuff not related to the series in this thread. :lol: Unbelievable.
 
anyone following ladbible might want to unfollow. cnuts consistently post spoilers about upcoming episodes .
 
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