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NEWS. WE HAVE EPISODE TITLES AND PLOT DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE FIRST THREE EPISODES.

Season 7, Episode 1 - "Dragonstone": Jon (Kit Harington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.

Season 7, Episode 2 - "Stormborn": Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.

Season 7, Episode 3 - "The Queen’s Justice": Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes.
 
robinamicrowave said:
NEWS. WE HAVE EPISODE TITLES AND PLOT DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE FIRST THREE EPISODES.

Season 7, Episode 1 - "Dragonstone": Jon (Kit Harington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.

Season 7, Episode 2 - "Stormborn": Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.

Season 7, Episode 3 - "The Queen’s Justice": Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes.
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Fancy having a guess at those episodes?
 
Ian Reus said:
Fancy having a guess at those episodes?
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Well, based on those vague plot outlines:

Episode 1 - I'd imagine that Jon is going to try to bring the northern houses together (which makes sense because that's what he was doing the last time we saw him in season 6), it'll be where his dialogue from the trailer is taken from; Cersei's attempt to "even the odds" will probably involve an alliance with Euron Greyjoy (his ships turn up in King's Landing in the season 7 trailer); "Daenerys comes home" seems self-explanatory really.

Episode 2 - I have a feeling that Daenerys' "unexpected visitor" is Melisandre, who's clearly shown looking down on Dragonstone in the trailer; the revolt that Jon faces will no doubt come from Baelish's meddling and involvement with Sansa, and I'd imagine it encourages him to go north of the Wall too; Tyrion planning the conquest of Westeros is, again, self-explanatory.

Episode 3 - I can't work out a thing from episode three, though. Daenerys' could hold court for any number of reasons; the gift Cersei returns could be anything from money to a hostage; Jaime's made several mistakes over the six previous seasons, so again we could be looking at any number of possibilities with that one, maybe he now regrets picking Cersei over Brienne or something? I doubt that's what it means but I can't think of anything else.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Well, based on those vague plot outlines:

Episode 1 - I'd imagine that Jon is going to try to bring the northern houses together (which makes sense because that's what he was doing the last time we saw him in season 6), it'll be where his dialogue from the trailer is taken from; Cersei's attempt to "even the odds" will probably involve an alliance with Euron Greyjoy (his ships turn up in King's Landing in the season 7 trailer); "Daenerys comes home" seems self-explanatory really.

Episode 2 - I have a feeling that Daenerys' "unexpected visitor" is Melisandre, who's clearly shown looking down on Dragonstone in the trailer; the revolt that Jon faces will no doubt come from Baelish's meddling and involvement with Sansa, and I'd imagine it encourages him to go north of the Wall too; Tyrion planning the conquest of Westeros is, again, self-explanatory.

Episode 3 - I can't work out a thing from episode three, though. Daenerys' could hold court for any number of reasons; the gift Cersei returns could be anything from money to a hostage; Jaime's made several mistakes over the six previous seasons, so again we could be looking at any number of possibilities with that one, maybe he now regrets picking Cersei over Brienne or something? I doubt that's what it means but I can't think of anything else.
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Nice one. Cheers for the effort.
 
So does anybody remember what happened to Illyrio Mopatis? The dude from season 1 who seemed to be working with Varys? He helped look after Dany and her brother.
Dont think ive seen him since.
 
Sylar said:
So does anybody remember what happened to Illyrio Mopatis? The dude from season 1 who seemed to be working with Varys? He helped look after Dany and her brother.
Dont think ive seen him since.
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Alive, well and insignificant. He's in the background because we only needed one varys
 
Sylar said:
So does anybody remember what happened to Illyrio Mopatis? The dude from season 1 who seemed to be working with Varys? He helped look after Dany and her brother.
Dont think ive seen him since.
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He's in the books a lot but his storyline (which also features Varys) has been dissolved in the show. Basically Aegon is alive in the books, operating under the name "Young Griff" - Varys and Illyrio are trying to find him and groom him for power, iirc. But Varys is just doing that with Daenerys in the show instead.
 
Ahhh ok. Do wonder if we will ever see him again, but yeah, makes sense if Varys is pretty much handling his role too. Expected it would be different for the different mediums.
Thanks @robinamicrowave and @Arbitrium :)
 
robinamicrowave said:
Well, based on those vague plot outlines:

Episode 1 - I'd imagine that Jon is going to try to bring the northern houses together (which makes sense because that's what he was doing the last time we saw him in season 6), it'll be where his dialogue from the trailer is taken from; Cersei's attempt to "even the odds" will probably involve an alliance with Euron Greyjoy (his ships turn up in King's Landing in the season 7 trailer); "Daenerys comes home" seems self-explanatory really.

Episode 2 - I have a feeling that Daenerys' "unexpected visitor" is Melisandre, who's clearly shown looking down on Dragonstone in the trailer; the revolt that Jon faces will no doubt come from Baelish's meddling and involvement with Sansa, and I'd imagine it encourages him to go north of the Wall too; Tyrion planning the conquest of Westeros is, again, self-explanatory.

Episode 3 - I can't work out a thing from episode three, though. Daenerys' could hold court for any number of reasons; the gift Cersei returns could be anything from money to a hostage; Jaime's made several mistakes over the six previous seasons, so again we could be looking at any number of possibilities with that one, maybe he now regrets picking Cersei over Brienne or something? I doubt that's what it means but I can't think of anything else.
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I can give a better one, not sure you want to hear it though.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Since G.R.R.M. gave up his duties as a producer, and as they moved away from the original group of directors from the first four seasons, the show has taken a slight dip (so bits of season 5 and most of season 6). The dialogue isn't as sharp as it once was when they were able to pull lines directly from the books (you wouldn't get something like "chaos is a ladder" in season 5 or 6); the games operating in the background aren't as devious (Sansa's ace in the hole to defeat Ramsay with the Knights of the Vale would have been a hugely cathartic moment if we'd never seen her send that raven to Baelish two episodes earlier); the way characters are used in the roles they've taken on since season 5 aren't quite as entertaining (Tyrion's better in King's Landing and frankly they wasted him in season 6), and G.R.R.M.'s original idea, that characters you love would be brutally and fatally punished - fatally on occasion - for making mistakes has gone by the wayside to set up the Good vs. Evil showdown that's clearly coming in season 8 (seriously, Jon was wearing some seriously thick plot armour in the battle for Winterfell despite being a total fecking idiot and charging into battle).

But having said all of that, season 5 and 6 are still two fantastic seasons of TV for very different reasons. Season 5 is patient to put it generously, and before I watched it through a second and third time I used to tell people it was essentially six episodes of slow build-up, The Gift (where Tyrion finally meets Dany), and then three episodes where the entire season explodes in an instant, with Tyrion and Dany's first conversation, the Hardhome massacre, Shireen's death, Cersei's walk of atonement, Stannis' defeat and Jon's "death" all colliding within about three hours of television. But watching back through, season 5 might still be the weakest of the bunch but from a character development perspective it's one of the most subtle and rewarding. Sansa's journey from s4e10 to s5e10 is an arc that would usually deserve more time to develop but they pack it in brilliantly; Brienne and Pod share some lovely scenes whilst patiently waiting to rescue Sansa; the Dorne storyline is remembered for the terrible Sand Snakes but Jaime's role in that plot is the final step on his journey from Slimeball to Honourable Gentleman; the main plotline for season 6 in King's Landing is weaved patiently as Cersei arms the Faith Militant; the tension at Castle Black rises to boiling point. There's more to season 5 than people give it credit for.

Season 6, on the other hand, is basically the total opposite in terms of pacing - "Efficiency is coming" as we joked. Honestly, by episode s6e4: Arya's blindness is gone and her stick training is done, Dany's escaped from Vaes Dothrak with a Dothraki army, Jon's been resurrected and left the Watch, Margaery's in the High Sparrow's good books, Dorne is controlled by the Sand Snakes, Roose is dead and Ramsay has Rickon, Balon's dead and Euron has assumed his post, Bran's learning how to time-travel in his mind. There are conclusive plotpoints arriving all over the map really early on, and even some of the mid-season episodes have some great scenes (Jaime and Edmure's scene in the tent, for example). But even if they do end up making a clumsy mess of the siege at Riverrun ("But he's my lord, my lord" / Blackfish's death) and Arya's whole thing (who was the Waif? Why was Arya suddenly No One? Is anyone ever gonna explain that?), season 6 was when the show finally embraced its potential to go for needlessly grandiose, sickeningly cheesy glory, and got it spot on. Dany burning the Dothraki church is a ginormous and baffling powerplay, the Battle of the Bastards is so fecking overblown, everything that happens with Hodor's death is utterly ridiculous, Cersei's destruction of the Sept of Baelor is another powerplay and is utterly perplexing - and yet all these big moments work so bloody well because the show embraced them all and delivered each of them with really defiant conviction. In the way that the explosion of wildfire in Blackwater thrust us into a new era of the show - that would contain stunning visual effects and giant climactic incidents - and in the way that Hardhome tested that water a little more (the first time we saw the White Walkers' true power and Miguel Sapochnik's ace direction of a battle scene), season 6 takes us that step further in basically every major plotline.

And if the trailer for season 7 is anything to go by, they're going to give us one of these gigantic/baffling powerplays (or a huge battle/fight) per episode. [Spoilers follow]. We've got the Unsullied invading Casterly Rock, the Lannisters invading Highgarden, the Dothraki and dragons fighting the Lannisters, Jon & co. facing the White Walkers, a battle involving Euron out at sea, and I'd imagine there's a huge moment coming that they've deliberately left out of the trailer (my prediction is the Wall collapsing). If season 6 was anything to go by, the show's going to head into this season with the intent to make this the largest in scale in terms of effects, collisions, chaos and drama. If they deliver it with huge, overblown conviction then I can take some sloppy dialogue and clumsy writing now and then. When season 4 ended a huge reset button was pressed on the show, with so many key characters in new places on the map, which is why it slowed down a fair bit for season 5. But at the same time a reset button was pressed on the creators too, whose vision since has taken the show in a totally new direction, one where it focused less on game-playing, betrayal and small-scale tragedies (think about it, the Red Wedding was the best moment in the show's history but it was roughly 20 people being slaughtered in one room, not 1,000 people being blown to bits by Cersei). It needed to evolve to produce what we saw in season 6 and what we're about to see in season 7, and frankly I can't wait.
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Pretty sure "Chaos is a ladder" speech is original and not from the books?
 
For those of you who are greedy for more, here is some new footage from a trailer on a Greek Channel.
(Not much but enough)

 
Man of Leisure said:
Can someone answer these questions for me? Even after watching through season 6 twice, I'm still unsure.
  1. Cersei did her walk of atonement in Season 5. So why's she gotta go to trial at the end of season 6?
  2. Why did Queen Marjorie bow down to the High Sparrow? Was it cos she saw the state her brother was in? She obviously wasn't buying the religious nonsense as she handed her grandmother the note.
  3. Why was Loras kept locked up in the dungeon while Marjorie was released? Surely, he would have agreed to whatever she did to have been released as he seemed in more worse shape than her?
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Sorry to ask you but did you really watch season 5 ?
 
I think I'm going to wait until the season finishes and then binge 'em this year.
 
Yagami said:
I think I'm going to wait until the season finishes and then binge 'em this year.
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No way I can do that. It will kill me (not literally).
An with so much social media, I know it will be spoilt by somebody. I kinda need to watch it live like I did last year. Thank you Sky Atlantic for the simulcast :lol:
 
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Man of Leisure said:
Yah, saw it when it first came out a couple years ago. Still think it's been the weakest season by far. Why are you sorry and why do you ask?
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Because all these questions were answered in Season 5 as there was a pretty lengthy built up for everything you have asked for. I thought you missed it thats why you were asking those questions. (I am pretty sure you skipped most of it).

On the subject of season 5 being a weak season, I think Last 3 episodes were pretty awesome, Hardhome being the pick of them. To me still the best episode of the entire series.
 
shahzadi said:
Because all these questions were answered in Season 5 as there was a pretty lengthy built up for everything you have asked for. I thought you missed it thats why you were asking those questions. (I am pretty sure you skipped most of it).

On the subject of season 5 being a weak season, I think Last 3 episodes were pretty awesome, Hardhome being the pick of them. To me still the best episode of the entire series.
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Although my 1st question might have been more related to season 5, the 2nd and 3rd questions surely take place in season 6?

Nah, saw all of season 5 but it's been a while. Although most of it was uneventful, agree that Hardhome was the best episode out of a lackluster season. As far as the whole series goes, there's several episodes for me that were better (Red Wedding, Mountain vs Oberyn, and Battle of the Bastards, off the top of my head).
 
Man of Leisure said:
Although my 1st question might have been more related to season 5, the 2nd and 3rd questions surely take place in season 6?
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You answered yourself in the 2nd question.
As far as your 3rd question has concerned, firstly, having sexual relationship with men was a huge sin in the eyes of high sept and his followers. Plus unlike Cersie and Margery, Loras was just not willing to accept his sin so there was no chance of him being allowed any special or differential treatment.
 
shahzadi said:
You answered yourself in the 2nd question.
As far as your 3rd question has concerned, firstly, having sexual relationship with men was a huge sin in the eyes of high sept and his followers. Plus unlike Cersie and Margery, Loras was just not willing to accept his sin so there was no chance of him being allowed any special or differential treatment.
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:lol: Sorry, did I piss you off somehow? Find your posts to have an oddly aggressive tone.
 
Sylar said:
No way I can do that. It will kill me (not literally).
An with so much social media, I know it will be spoilt by somebody. I kinda need to watch it live like I did last year. Thank you Sky Atlantic for the simulcast :lol:
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I got into GoT quite late and binged the first 3 or 4 seasons over one Christmas when Sky Atlantic were having a marathon. Before watching the show I hadn't heard - or at least noticed - any spoilers. After getting up to date I kept up with the series as it went on but I just hated finishing one ep and having to wait for the next after binging it before.

There's been many a show I've got into late and avoided big spoilers from so I'm not fretting that part. Maybe I'll break and have to watch live as the show is that addictive!
 
Yagami said:
I got into GoT quite late and binged the first 3 or 4 seasons over one Christmas when Sky Atlantic were having a marathon. Before watching the show I hadn't heard - or at least noticed - any spoilers. After getting up to date I kept up with the series as it went on but I just hated finishing one ep and having to wait for the next after binging it before.

There's been many a show I've got into late and avoided big spoilers from so I'm not fretting that part. Maybe I'll break and have to watch live as the show is that addictive!
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Youve done well. Theres too many idiots online whether its facebook, twitter. Even sometimes im on a youtube video and randomly in the comments I see mentions of GoT in videos not even related. Its nuts.
 
Sylar said:
Youve done well. Theres too many idiots online whether its facebook, twitter. Even sometimes im on a youtube video and randomly in the comments I see mentions of GoT in videos not even related. Its nuts.
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Haha to be fair, the comments in most popular YouTube videos are nothing to do with the video.
 
Sky are simulcasting all the episodes :drool:

1 week to go :drool::drool:
 
Watching some of the scenes from s2 (normally the one on one conversations) are so fantastic.
Tywin and Arya being some of the best ones.
Tyrion and Cersei good too.
Jamie when he was captured and caged speaking to the lesser Lannister who used to be his squire was intriguing too.
And of course Jon and Ygritte.

Some great fascinating stuff. As has been pointed out in the thread, you wont get that in the latter seasons (and tbh, yyou dont need it) but it was great for the early parts to let us know what the characters are like as well as giving us a background to the 7 kingdoms and beyond.
 
Sylar said:
Watching some of the scenes from s2 (normally the one on one conversations) are so fantastic.
Tywin and Arya being some of the best ones.
Tyrion and Cersei good too.
Jamie when he was captured and caged speaking to the lesser Lannister who used to be his squire was intriguing too.
And of course Jon and Ygritte.

Some great fascinating stuff. As has been pointed out in the thread, you wont get that in the latter seasons (and tbh, yyou dont need it) but it was great for the early parts to let us know what the characters are like as well as giving us a background to the 7 kingdoms and beyond.
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That season has the best intriguing dialogue I think. I really miss Tyrion in King's Landing, the show's general shift in emphasis since season 5 has really hurt his character, epitomised by that fecking 'joke' scene in season 6.
 
2cents said:
That season has the best intriguing dialogue I think. I really miss Tyrion in King's Landing, the show's general shift in emphasis since season 5 has really hurt his character, epitomised by that fecking 'joke' scene in season 6.
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Him and Bronn also excellent as was any scene with him and Varys. The dialogue was so much better than of course (most lifted from another medium).
The best thing about Tyrion was that he didnt give a F about Joffrey.
Joffrey: YOURE TALKING TO A KING
SMACK
Tyrion: And now ive struck a king

:lol: And its so funny, cos Cersei also slapped Joffrey but he threatened to have her executed for it if she did it again.
 
2cents said:
That season has the best intriguing dialogue I think. I really miss Tyrion in King's Landing, the show's general shift in emphasis since season 5 has really hurt his character, epitomised by that fecking 'joke' scene in season 6.
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Yep. That joke was a neat little call-back to season one, because he tries telling the same joke when he's being held prisoner in the Vale, but it doesn't really work that well because he's not used properly in the rest of the season. There are three scenes involving Tyrion in season six that really are him at his best (the scene with Rhaegal and Viserion, the bargaining scene with the slave masters, and the "Always a bit abstract" scene), but three is a criminally low number for such a wonderful character. He spends most of season six sitting around with Grey Worm and Missandei who, bless them, are two of the most boring characters on the show. Now that he's got some battle plans to draw up in season seven, and now that he'll be meeting Jon, possibly Theon again, possibly Jaime and Cersei again, he'll have more interesting things to say.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Yep. That joke was a neat little call-back to season one, because he tries telling the same joke when he's being held prisoner in the Vale, but it doesn't really work that well because he's not used properly in the rest of the season. There are three scenes involving Tyrion in season six that really are him at his best (the scene with Rhaegal and Viserion, the bargaining scene with the slave masters, and the "Always a bit abstract" scene), but three is a criminally low number for such a wonderful character. He spends most of season six sitting around with Grey Worm and Missandei who, bless them, are two of the most boring characters on the show. Now that he's got some battle plans to draw up in season seven, and now that he'll be meeting Jon, possibly Theon again, possibly Jaime and Cersei again, he'll have more interesting things to say.
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Jamie did say he'd kill Tyrion if he ever saw him again (death of daddy). So that could make for some fun dialogue!
 
RedSky said:
Jamie did say he'd kill Tyrion if he ever saw him again (death of daddy). So that could make for some fun dialogue!
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Yeah, I've always had that line in the back of my mind, too. But there's part of me thinking that bigger things are at stake now and that while Jaime might have killed him if they'd met in season six, he just has other things on his plate now. Plus, Tyrion could prove be a useful ally if events go the way I'm expecting them to.
 
I cant see Jamie doing that. What would be interesting is that Bronn now rides with Jamie having done so with Tyrion before. Having him in the middle of the two would make for some great stuff.
 
There's a video on United's facebook page where Jorah & Varys actors meet the team. It's quite funny how starstruck they are, and vice versa :lol:
 
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