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Thing about Ramsey Snow is that while willing to get his hands dirty it was always, only when he had power behind him or others there to have his back. He was a sadistic bully and as so often happens with the type, once things went against him, once nobody was there to protect him, he was well a coward and quite useless.

He stood there for the whole battle despite easily winning up until the silly ending. It wasn't really in character with what he'd done up until that point. He was a sadistic bully but certainly not a coward. They seemed to really want to drum home that he was scared of Jon Snow, but it was just overdone a bit. The whole episode was a bit OTT but it made for a good watch overall so I'm not really complaining too much.
 
He stood there for the whole battle despite easily winning up until the silly ending. It wasn't really in character with what he'd done up until that point. He was a sadistic bully but certainly not a coward. They seemed to really want to drum home that he was scared of Jon Snow, but it was just overdone a bit. The whole episode was a bit OTT but it made for a good watch overall so I'm not really complaining too much.

Yes Ramsey stood there all the while his army had the advantage, then when shit turned against him and he ran. No shock at all. He never displayed any great bravery in single combat, he hunted girls with dogs, he tortured a tied up captive, he raped his new wife, he shot arrows at a young boy, he got his father alone and with another there to back him up he killed him but the big thing was he had someone there to have an advantage with, he was never particularly brave. He was a sadistic bully, whose world came crashing down around himself and he was not able to handle it. He never was a man of courage, honor or bravery or any of that.

That's my view.
 
Almost everyone would be scared of Jon though. Expert fighter but a big fecking wolf by his side (when the budget allows...).

Jon Snow is a bit of legend at this point.
 
I'm going to watch the episode 9 and 10 of last season to get hyped again.

What a show :drool:
 
Isn't it weird how he actually looks manlier with his man-bun? All my life, I've never seen a guy look tougher with a man-bun than without.

It's probably the most remarkable aspect of his character.
 
Yeah, I thought what Ramsay did was exactly in line with his character. He didnt want a one on one initially.
He had advantage. When he lost it, he ran to a place surrounded by his people to give him a different advantage. When everybody else was dead, he said to Jon, lets do it one on one and tried to kill him with an arrow.

But yeah, Jon Snow is badass. My fav eps of GoT have probably had him around the centre. Hardhome, Watchers on the wall, Battle of the bastards. Good stuff.
 
Hope they use the zombie army more, which should be a given, don't think I've seen tele as good as hardhome since.
 
Yes Ramsey stood there all the while his army had the advantage, then when shit turned against him and he ran. No shock at all. He never displayed any great bravery in single combat, he hunted girls with dogs, he tortured a tied up captive, he raped his new wife, he shot arrows at a young boy, he got his father alone and with another there to back him up he killed him but the big thing was he had someone there to have an advantage with, he was never particularly brave. He was a sadistic bully, whose world came crashing down around himself and he was not able to handle it. He never was a man of courage, honor or bravery or any of that.

That's my view.

Tbf he never says he was, he's a cunning sadist and proud of it.

In the real world he'll become the winner and snow would have been long dead with his stupid chivalry.

Tbf ramsay bolton actor is very good, he makes us really loathe him, which is how his character supposed to do, no if and buts no gray area
 
Started to watch it again from the beginning. I like the little things like:

ep1: Rob Baratheon when he comes to Winterfell makes contact with Ned, Catelyn, Robb and Rickon. especially what we know in hindsight.
I liked the scene where the direwolves are found (and Theon calling the dead one a freak)
And Dany stepping into the hot water like it was nothing, like she cant be burnt.

ep2: Jamie telling Tyrion he would rather have a clean death than be a cripple. ahaha.

(this is all probably documented over the internet, but its cool to watch it again in hindsight and pick this stuff out.)
 
Tbf he never says he was, he's a cunning sadist and proud of it.

In the real world he'll become the winner and snow would have been long dead with his stupid chivalry.

Tbf ramsay bolton actor is very good, he makes us really loathe him, which is how his character supposed to do, no if and buts no gray area

Crazy to think he was almost cast as Jon Snow.
 
Hope they use the zombie army more, which should be a given, don't think I've seen tele as good as hardhome since.

I don't think anything will top Hardhome to be honest. Always thought Battle of the Bastards was trying too hard to be epic and outdo Blackwater/Battle of the Wall and didn't come off as such.
 
I don't think anything will top Hardhome to be honest. Always thought Battle of the Bastards was trying too hard to be epic and outdo Blackwater/Battle of the Wall and didn't come off as such.

I disagree. BoB used a pretty different angle than both Blackwater and Battle of the Wall, which utilised immense weaponry (Wildfyre, the scythe) to set a larger stage. BoB was less about epicness but more about the struggle and experience of single soldiers in large scale battles as it followed Jon Snow very closely. The way they used real life speed (opposed to the slowed down approach TV usually uses) for portions of the battle to show the chaos of battle and of course the camera work in the scenes of Jon drowning in a sea of people that transported the feeling of being suffocated was about putting the viewer in there instead of treating it as spectator.
 
Started to watch it again from the beginning. I like the little things like:

ep1: Rob Baratheon when he comes to Winterfell makes contact with Ned, Catelyn, Robb and Rickon. especially what we know in hindsight.
I liked the scene where the direwolves are found (and Theon calling the dead one a freak)
And Dany stepping into the hot water like it was nothing, like she cant be burnt.

ep2: Jamie telling Tyrion he would rather have a clean death than be a cripple. ahaha.

(this is all probably documented over the internet, but its cool to watch it again in hindsight and pick this stuff out.)

Yep, feel similar. My wife is watching for the first time, near the end of 2nd season now, and I am realizing how many details I missed or sped through on first watch. A great deal of foreshadowing for sure
 
I disagree. BoB used a pretty different angle than both Blackwater and Battle of the Wall, which utilised immense weaponry (Wildfyre, the scythe) to set a larger stage. BoB was less about epicness but more about the struggle and experience of single soldiers in large scale battles as it followed Jon Snow very closely. The way they used real life speed (opposed to the slowed down approach TV usually uses) for portions of the battle to show the chaos of battle and of course the camera work in the scenes of Jon drowning in a sea of people that transported the feeling of being suffocated was about putting the viewer in there instead of treating it as spectator.

I cant argue with you, you are right. Maybe its more BoB had less impact on me because I was watching on my phone on Sky Go instead of my giant tv at home that I lost of lot of the epicness and impact of it (besides Rickons fate).

Personally rate Hardhome as best battle though. That final scene is one of favourite tv scenes overall.
 
With regards to the battle of bastards episode, there was one scene which was intense. The one where bodies were piling on Jon Snow and it looked like he would suffocate. Ive had a similar experience at a Rage concert where it felt so tight and like the walls were closing in on me. Was crazy stuff.

I think the Blackwater episode from top to bottom was just immense. Hardhome for the last 30 minutes was the best scene (I dont think it moved away from the Walkers vs Snow).

Yep, feel similar. My wife is watching for the first time, near the end of 2nd season now, and I am realizing how many details I missed or sped through on first watch. A great deal of foreshadowing for sure

Its so much fun watching it again. I forgot just how great Ned was and how much of a bastard Littlefinger was from the beginning and all the planning and plotting that was put in place (esp from Varys)
 
Its so much fun watching it again. I forgot just how great Ned was and how much of a bastard Littlefinger was from the beginning and all the planning and plotting that was put in place (esp from Varys)

Whats great is the mention of how the entire Game of Thrones began during a brief scene in Season 4. It's brilliant how they slip it in and you're like "ooooooo feck!"
 
Its so much fun watching it again. I forgot just how great Ned was and how much of a bastard Littlefinger was from the beginning and all the planning and plotting that was put in place (esp from Varys)

Definitely. Our challenge really is to get caught up before the new season starts, I think it is unlikely and the wife is already guilting me to wait for her and not watch without her. The things we do for love
 
Whats great is the mention of how the entire Game of Thrones began during a brief scene in Season 4. It's brilliant how they slip it in and you're like "ooooooo feck!"

I cant remember the scene youre talking about. Maybe when I get to s4 again, ill know lol.

Im watching it again, but im trying to figure out who is alive (in current season) that knows / remembers the double cross by Littlefinger on Ned and is aligned with the North. Im assuming there isnt anybody.
There is no way Sansa would even entertain him at all if she knew. My fav line from her in season 1 (when Ned was trying to get them to pack to leave KL) was:
'I dont want somebody brave, or strong.... I want Joffrey' which resulted in Ned and Arya grinning. Such a well delivered line lol.

Ned was the ultimate honorable goodguy and it cost him. Cersei saying to him 'when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die' was total truth. This was after she admitted the kids were Jamies and not Robs. Ned tried to do things the right way and it cost him. The way it all came together is just fantastic to watch in hindsight. Ultimate planning.

Also Arya training was cool in s1. She was badass but had such a cute innocence about her.


Definitely. Our challenge really is to get caught up before the new season starts, I think it is unlikely and the wife is already guilting me to wait for her and not watch without her. The things we do for love

I keep trying to get my gf to watch. Shes baiting me by saying now. And now shes studying and has no time to even go cinemas. Aghhhhhhhh.
At least you got your wife to watch :)
Dont think you will before it starts (however you could always watch the first ep of the new season when shes not there). And pretend you didnt. Gives you an extra week to catch up :lol:
 
I cant remember the scene youre talking about. Maybe when I get to s4 again, ill know lol.

Im watching it again, but im trying to figure out who is alive (in current season) that knows / remembers the double cross by Littlefinger on Ned and is aligned with the North. Im assuming there isnt anybody.
There is no way Sansa would even entertain him at all if she knew. My fav line from her in season 1 (when Ned was trying to get them to pack to leave KL) was:
'I dont want somebody brave, or strong.... I want Joffrey' which resulted in Ned and Arya grinning. Such a well delivered line lol.

Ned was the ultimate honorable goodguy and it cost him. Cersei saying to him 'when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die' was total truth. This was after she admitted the kids were Jamies and not Robs. Ned tried to do things the right way and it cost him. The way it all came together is just fantastic to watch in hindsight. Ultimate planning.

Also Arya training was cool in s1. She was badass but had such a cute innocence about her.




I keep trying to get my gf to watch. Shes baiting me by saying now. And now shes studying and has no time to even go cinemas. Aghhhhhhhh.
At least you got your wife to watch :)
Dont think you will before it starts (however you could always watch the first ep of the new season when shes not there). And pretend you didnt. Gives you an extra week to catch up :lol:

I won't spoil it as you've forgotten but when it's mentioned you'll be like "holy fecking crap balls!!!!". I totally missed it on the first watch and only on the rewatch did it sink in.
 
I won't spoil it as you've forgotten but when it's mentioned you'll be like "holy fecking crap balls!!!!". I totally missed it on the first watch and only on the rewatch did it sink in.
Even I'm a little lost with this and I've re-watched it 5 or 6 times through. Answers in a spoiler box?

Edit: Wait, I think I have it. This is about the death of Jon Arryn right at the beginning, isn't it?
 
Even I'm a little lost with this and I've re-watched it 5 or 6 times through. Answers in a spoiler box?

I think it's Season 4! It's revealed during a conversation with Lyanna and Littlefinger that it was Lyanna who actually poisoned John Arryn and not the Lannisters. It was a plot created by Littlefinger to try and cause tension between the Starks and the Lannisters, with the added bonus that with John out of the way Littlefinger could (once the dust settled) marry Lyanna and become Lord of the Vale. Lyanna then wrote to Catelyn Stark that it was the Lannisters who killed John Arryn, Littlefinger knew that Robert Baratheon would pick Ned Stark to be the Hand of the King (the only sensible choice) and he knew Ned would accept because he's an honorable and predictable man. This put the Starks and Lannisters into an inevitable collision course, which would weaken either one or both Houses.

This whole plot is revealed in a 20 second line of dialogue and never mentioned again.
 
Even I'm a little lost with this and I've re-watched it 5 or 6 times through. Answers in a spoiler box?

Edit: Wait, I think I have it. This is about the death of Jon Arryn right at the beginning, isn't it?

Aye, that's right.
 
Even I'm a little lost with this and I've re-watched it 5 or 6 times through. Answers in a spoiler box?

Edit: Wait, I think I have it. This is about the death of Jon Arryn right at the beginning, isn't it?

Yes. The reveal in the book made me think Martin definitely read himself some Tolstoy. The way events are set into motion irreversibly from the smallest event, totally unconnected from the scheming or human endeavours to control it.
 
I think it's Season 4! It's revealed during a conversation with Lyanna and Littlefinger that it was Lyanna who actually poisoned John Arryn and not the Lannisters. It was a plot created by Littlefinger to try and cause tension between the Starks and the Lannisters, with the added bonus that with John out of the way Littlefinger could (once the dust settled) marry Lyanna and become Lord of the Vale. Lyanna then wrote to Catelyn Stark that it was the Lannisters who killed John Arryn, Littlefinger knew that Robert Baratheon would pick Ned Stark to be the Hand of the King (the only sensible choice) and he knew Ned would accept because he's an honorable and predictable man. This put the Starks and Lannisters into an inevitable collision course, which would weaken either one or both Houses.

This whole plot is revealed in a 20 second line of dialogue and never mentioned again.

This is also alluded to by Littlefinger claiming that "chaos is a ladder" to Varys early on. Likely he's going to try for chaos again this season.
 
This is also alluded to by Littlefinger claiming that "chaos is a ladder" to Varys early on. Likely he's going to try for chaos again this season.

Yup, in Season 5 he discusses being made Warden of the North if he sided with the Lannisters against the Boltons. An episode before he's made a deal with the Boltons proclaiming he has no love for the Lannisters. He's such a great character, playing them all for mugs.
 
I think it's Season 4! It's revealed during a conversation with Lyanna and Littlefinger that it was Lyanna who actually poisoned John Arryn and not the Lannisters. It was a plot created by Littlefinger to try and cause tension between the Starks and the Lannisters, with the added bonus that with John out of the way Littlefinger could (once the dust settled) marry Lyanna and become Lord of the Vale. Lyanna then wrote to Catelyn Stark that it was the Lannisters who killed John Arryn, Littlefinger knew that Robert Baratheon would pick Ned Stark to be the Hand of the King (the only sensible choice) and he knew Ned would accept because he's an honorable and predictable man. This put the Starks and Lannisters into an inevitable collision course, which would weaken either one or both Houses.

This whole plot is revealed in a 20 second line of dialogue and never mentioned again.

Lyssa. Lyanna is Jon Snow's mother. :angel: