Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

To be honest I don't even care about his wife or his faith - both to me were kind of fraudulent anyway. The sadder thing is he only ever had nice intentions, and as you mention I think that's the first time in his life that he actually realises he is not in control at all, and likely (at this rate) never will be. He lost all hope instantly!

Yeah, I got the vibe when he took his crown off that he felt he'd failed his people, and wasn't fit to be a king as a result.
 
But what in the world has happened to Ser Pounce? Is he plotting his revenge in secret?
 
Danaerys, Sansa and Yara all look like they're on the way to becoming Queens, with Cersei already there.

If foreshadowing is anything to go by, only Yara seems likely to keep her ethics in tact. When you think about how the Iron Islands have previously conducted themselves, it's nice bit of role reversal for everyone.
 
The teleporting stuff doesn't bother me because I have no idea what the map looks like. I just assumed Dorne was pretty close to Mereen. Or maybe the timeline doesn't stay constant as we jump between storylines. Ignorance is bliss.

Dorne is actually in Westeros, south of Kings Landing if I'm not wrong.
 
Alright, I've had almost 12 hours for that episode to sink in.

Here's my issue: It's moving to fast.

Some of the stories are being handled well, Jon Snow and Daenerys have been well done for the most part. But the other plots, including the Kings Landing section are just being filmed so fast that you can't really take anything in.

My initial thought about the Arya sequence was "oh that must be a dream... right?". There's been no build up at all, she tells us she's going home. Next thing we know she's at the Freys killing him. It all seems to be done for that GoT 'shock' but back in Seasons 2/3 it was well planned out, with loads of subtle hints so when the shock did come it really did have an impact. Now it seems like a gimmick.

Don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying the ride. But at the same time i'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at points when all they seem to be doing is trying to push the story along to get to the shocking bits. The writing simply isn't up to scratch.

I was fully expecting her to start killing off names from her list with Frey being the first. On the other hand I've just binge-watched the series from the beginning in a month, so everything is still fresh in my mind. For me the Red Wedding was two weeks ago, for everyone else it was three years ago.
 
I cant really get mad at the time and distance jumps the show does anymore, as long as the show remains entertaining. Besides nothing beats the stupid recasting of the Mountain for me.

Yep, and next season it will be another actor, again.
 
Nah, g'ahead

Bruv I read your post after the one I quoted and you said pretty much what I was going to say. You're all over it.

add to that:

all the sheer hatred that Tywin had towards Tyrion, potentially due to being a constant reminder to Tywin about what happened to his wife
 
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Wonder how this will work then. Dragon girl will take the south, go to war with the North, while the White Walkers go mental too? The North men are in for a pretty rough time aren't they.

edit - not to forget, the Starks have a master assassin and a warg at their disposal. That's pretty cool.

Maybe they'll all form an alliance and fight the whitewalkers together. Its the only possible way to beat those semi dead fexkers!
 
Danaerys, Sansa and Yara all look like they're on the way to becoming Queens, with Cersei already there.

If foreshadowing is anything to go by, only Yara seems likely to keep her ethics in tact. When you think about how the Iron Islands have previously conducted themselves, it's nice bit of role reversal for everyone.
Not to mention Olena and yer wan in Dorne.
 
TBH, I was watching the scene and when he walked off, it seemed like they were focusing on the burning of KL to let it sink in. then he walks back in and just walks out casually. I was laughing but then went HOLY SHIT at the same time. It was tragic in a way, cos he was close to being poisoned as a kid until Tywins army came late in s2. He was then thrust into king as his brother died, (and of course his sister died). For him, his dad had already died and he was being used and manipulated by three different people. He was not a bad guy at all. But I kinda gone off topic here lo



Thats an interesting thing to know. What a great job :lol: All for one line?



This is my thoughts too. A lot of people say "this is predictable, that is predictable, etc". But every single theory / outcome has been discussed a hundred times over no matter how ludicrous or batshit crazy. And for around 10+ years. But at times, some thigns have to be predictable because any other outcome would seem like a twist for the sake of a twist despite the earlier storytelling.

Then people will just throw out filler or DEM for the sake of it despite it not making sense or not being used appropriately.

I had the exact same reaction, thinking this scene about the scope of the destruction that Cercei has caused.... I did not expect his to jump out of the window.
 
Davos was powerful in that episode.

"I loved that girl like she was my own. She was good, she was kind and you killed her!"

Got chills after that.

Me too, thought he acted that scene really well. I felt the emotion.
 
Lady Mormont is going to be his next surrogate daughter. It's a bit weird how he latches onto you young girls.
 
So what is Varys up to? Simply joining Daneyrs with others that hate the Lannisters or something else?
What will Littlefinger's response be to John in effect becoming King in the North and Sansa's rejection?
Who will Arya turn her attentions to next?
 
At least we know now why it's called King's Landing.
ffs :lol:

That was the exact kind of death that I moaned this show doesn't do enough - brutal and without the huge build-up to it
 
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The contraption we see right at the start of the title sequence is in the library. So safe to say Sam's presence there is of importance. One theory is that he ends up being the old maester who recounts the 'song of ice and fire'. It's even possible that GRRM based Sam Tarly on himself as he's said before that if he was any character it would be him.

That's a bloody good observation and point
 
Why did Pycelle get killed exactly? Cos he'dve kicked off about the whole blowing shit up thing?

Purely revenge I'd say. Cercie has always hated him, so she had a special death planned for him and for Lancel (who ratted her out in the first place).
 
That was incredible. Favourite moment was definitely Arya killing Walder, maybe I'm stupid but I didn't see it coming at all.

I'm kind of gutted that Jon isn't Ned Stark's boy, think it takes a way a big part of the reason we all root for him. And we're left in an awkward situation as the audience now, knowing the King in the North hasn't the right to be in that position.

Littlefinger is going to cause some serious shit when he doesn't get what he wants.

The Lannisters are fecked.

I really don't see what role the Brotherhood Without Banners have to play in the rest of this, same applies to the Hound and Melisandre.

Thought we'd see Arya approaching Winterfell at the end but ah well, seeing the dragons flying over the ships gave me goosebumps.

I can see LF going back to siding Lannister with the Vale army and probably Greyjoys led by Euron. But I doubt as he knows Lannisters are weak at the moment. Probably might do something to cause a rebellion within Starks or Dany's army
 
Jon Snow will be the King In The North until Bran gets back. At that point, we'll see if there are any ruptions between the two. I can't remember the early seasons well enough to recall whether they got on well.

Jon was a good older brother to them all. It was just Sansa that did not like him because she was all snooty and posh.
 
edit - not to forget, the Starks have a master assassin and a warg at their disposal. That's pretty cool.
The undead, the warg, the assassin, the bitch :drool: Stark-men! They should have their own series
 
Gotta couple questions. First one is from the trailer prior to last night's episode where they show what's happened in previous episodes. When did that scene with Littlefinger and Sansa talking about Aunt Lyana in front of her statue in the catacombs take place? I remember well the one with Robert and Ned in front of her statue in Season 1. But can't for the life of me remember when Littlefinger and Sansa would have had the opportunity for that convo in Winterfell. My next question I'll spoiler since it's partly speculation.
There seems to be heavy allusion to Jon Snow being Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyana's child (not Ned Stark's illegitimate son). If that's the case, would that make Jon Snow and Daenerys half-siblings or would she be his aunt? Also, what's the big deal if that's what happened? Why's it this big secret that Ned couldn't even tell his wife and would rather have Catelyn think that he cheated on her?

Several reasons:

- Lyanna was promised to Robert Baratheon
- Robert was Ned's best friend
- Essentially the whole war was started because Lyanna ran away (or was kidnapped) with Rhaegar. As far as Ned was aware she was kidnapped too
- Robert was killing Targaryan babies
- If word got out then Jon would be a target and would most likely end up assassinated

Not sure why exactly he couldn't at least have told Catelyn, but if he was honor bound (promised) to never reveal the secret then that would explain it.
 
So what is Varys up to? Simply joining Daneyrs with others that hate the Lannisters or something else?
What will Littlefinger's response be to John in effect becoming King in the North and Sansa's rejection?
Who will Arya turn her attentions to next?

Varys was there to broker the alliance and provide Danerys with a safe place to port when her fleet arrives at Westeros. It would make it a more simple equation to take over the rest of Westeros too, simply working her way north from the most southern point.

I'm interested to see what Littlefinger does now as his deliberate attempt to drive a wedge between Sansa and Jon hasn't worked, or so it seems at least.

Arya, I imagine, will run in to the Hound again or Melisandre as she works her way south.
 
The last two episodes have been fantastic - over-the-top, cheesy but immensely watchable TV - and saved the show from descending into an Eastenders with dragons.
 
I'm interested to see what Littlefinger does now as his deliberate attempt to drive a wedge between Sansa and Jon hasn't worked, or so it seems at least.
It kinda did - notice her smile when the little Lady Mormont starts to talk about Stark as the only King in the North (as she is the only Stark in the room and, presumably, the only one alive, even if we know that it's not true) and then how it goes away when Jon is being named the king of the North. Clearly a fake excitement from her part later, which is only underlined by her and LF exchanging meaningful looks
 
It kinda did - notice her smile when the little Lady Mormont starts to talk about Stark as the only King in the North (as she is the only Stark in the room and, presumably, the only one alive, even if we know that it's not true) and then how it goes away when Jon is being named the king of the North. Clearly a fake excitement from her part later, which is only underlined by her and LF exchanging meaningful looks

I had thought that at the time, but then thought that I was just being really paranoid - as this show seems to make you.

I hope Sansa doesn't do anything stupid, after all she has been through it would really piss me off if she tries to undermine Jon next season.

I can see Littlefinger doing something suss, in fact it's practically guaranteed. But surely not Sansa....
 
The last two episodes have been fantastic - over-the-top, cheesy but immensely watchable TV - and saved the show from descending into an Eastenders with dragons.

There was nothing cheesy about the battle of the bastards. That was raw as hell.
 
There was nothing cheesy about the battle of the bastards. That was raw as hell.

Yea that was fantastic and even the explosion scene in the finale was taken beautifully. I don't mean it in a negative way here - it's a show about war and dragons so cheesiness, like the final scene showing the fleet, is ok and infinitely better than some of the shite we had endure earlier on.
 
It kinda did - notice her smile when the little Lady Mormont starts to talk about Stark as the only King in the North (as she is the only Stark in the room and, presumably, the only one alive, even if we know that it's not true) and then how it goes away when Jon is being named the king of the North. Clearly a fake excitement from her part later, which is only underlined by her and LF exchanging meaningful looks

I thought that she was happy for Jon being accepted by the Northern Lords (in an earlier scene we heard her telling him "you're a Stark to me") but she got worried when she spotted LF all alone at the back of the room looking very disappointed with how things have turned out. If there's one person in Westeros who knows that LF is a much stronger player than what the people around him believe, that person is Sansa (and Varys but he's on his own mission).

Furthermore, imho there was a sense of atonement about Sansa'a scenes in the last episode. The little girl who would give everything just to get out of Winterfell and become queen in the first season now is absolutely thrilled at the news that the long winter is coming (white raven) which means that she will have to stay in the North for quite some time and she inhales the cold wind from the ramparts of the castle with relief. Quite a contrast with Cersei whose coronation scene looked like a dark version of Cate Blanchett's final scene in Elizabeth.

But her relationship with LF is hanging by a thread as they both owe each other a big one. She knows that they still need the Knights of the Vale and that they couldn't take Winterfell back without them and LF knows that he can't push it too far because Sansa knows that he murdered her aunt, Lady Arryn.
 
They have ten hours to cover each book with each episode costing them as much as a low budget movie. I think they are doing the best they can and are doing a fantastic job.

Nah, the show's fantastic but I just felt episode 9 was better and expected 10 to be as good if not even better. It's a case of high expectations ;)

Has Queen Cersi got anyone on her side? The Lannister Army and (maybe) Uncle Greyjoy's lot? Am I forgetting anyone?

Euron want's the iron throne so don't think this will happen. Cersei is pretty much fecked. Even the traditional enemies; Tyrells and the Martells (Highgarden & Dorne) have banded together to support Dany...I don't know why but I can imagine her being killed by Jaime and then Jaime to take his own life.

Gone back to loving Cercei, even she killed Margery :( Also the High Sparrow was a bit of a let down, I'd have loved to have known his true motivation or that he had one such as to be the ultimate ruler.

Also as for Dany, I refuse to believe she can lose now. She has everyone on her side in the South except the Lannisters it seems, but even then she's taken the best one. Unless she's assassinated, I don't see how she loses.

Lack of Whitewalkers upsets me greatly. They need to be shown a lot more now.

Euron is the only stumbling point left. Think he will have a major role to play next season, probably as one of the chief antagonists. Taking over Cersei's role.


Also, don't think Dany will care two hoots about Jon being her nephew. Don't think Jon will either, he's a Stark through and through, the North is in him. Anyway there is no proof! Only Bran knows.

Not sure what the end game is, seems all too predictable that it will be the dragons vs the whitewalkers. Although I can imagine a situation where Bran "rides" a dragon by warging him, Dany on the big black one and then another rider...maybe Tyrion/Jon?

Just don't kill Ghost off!
 
Not sure what the end game is, seems all too predictable that it will be the dragons vs the whitewalkers.

Although thats not a bad thing. It seems to have been built and hinted since pretty much season 2 (even before maybe, before we knew the dragons were there). It really is what everybody wants to see (by everybody, I mean me, at least)... :D

Agreed on Ghost though :P
 
So what is Varys up to? Simply joining Daneyrs with others that hate the Lannisters or something else?
What will Littlefinger's response be to John in effect becoming King in the North and Sansa's rejection?
Who will Arya turn her attentions to next?

I think Varys is just in it for the good of the realm (given that he is a Eunuch who is despised and mistrusted by everyone he probably coulnd't hold any real power himself even if he wanted to) and atm that seems like Dany.