Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Drainy said:
if you are going to correct someone's mistake, best not make one yourself.

Yes he could and should have allowed him to live. It's better to find another punishment than lose half your army over two politically irrelevant Lannister children
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:lol: Dont take it that personally. No idea why I wrote k instead of r.

If he had let them live it would have undermined his authority. First his mom and now his banners do whatever they want to do. What kind of a king would he be if his bannermen can disobey his every other at their whim.
 
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One with an army. Surely there has to be a politically smarter punishment than to lob his head off. Paying reparations, and an increase in taxes on their land might not have 'sent a message' but at least he wouldn't have lost half his army and gone to Walder Frey with his arse up in the air.
 
December_16 said:
It's really impossible to answer this question without using spoilers and getting into all kind of troubles, so I guess good luck to whoever wants to take on your question.
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Well, i'm right in saying that Balon Greyjoy is Theons dad right? So considering all of Theons brothers are dead, that would make Theon 'Cockless' Greyjoy in line for the Iron Island Throne.

So considering what the leech scene is telling us, Balon is going to die next (although we don't know the time period between each death) but considering that Rob died so quickly after the Leech scene, it must mean that Balon is going to die next episode.

But considering Theon is held captive, they may assume Theon is dead. So that would mean Theons sister would take over instead. Christ, :lol:
 
Sir Matt said:
Karstarks*

Also, if Catelyn hadn't kidnapped Tyrion, everything wouldn't have kicked off like it did.
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Yup catelyn really didnt help her son at all.

@Drainy, he wasnt king yet. How can he set taxes,etc on their lands? He is fighting a war, its either to imprison him or kill him. Both would have had the same effect.
 
He's been 'King in the North' since S2, if he hasn't been receiving the money that would have been paid to the King no wonder his war efforts have gone to shit.

Either way, he fecked up the war almost as much as Edmure and Catelyn did when he got married, cutting his army in half was just the cherry on top of the shit cake and ultimately lead to his, his mother's and his wife's deaths.
 
Scrumpet said:
Give us a few days to mourn before shitting on his grave, Drainy!
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feck him, he shit on himself.

I do really dislike the Tullys/Stark children that take after Catelyn for some reason though. Catelyn, Lysa Arryn, Edmure, Robb and Sansa are a shower of turds.

Kind of fitting that Sansa's ambitions were a primary driver in Ned being killed, and Robb's caused Catelyn's death.
 
Damn what an episode that was. Easily one of the best shows ever made, there's barely been a bad episode in 3 seasons.
 
Cina said:
MJJ, as a book reader, I'd sort of urge you not to get into a debate in this thread, it never really ends well.
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I know...thats why have avoided this thread until the past week and am debating only on events in the past.

Although point taken, am stopping now as its easy to let something slip.
 
Wow, just wow.

I'm genuinely perplexed as to how the show pans out now. My only clue as others have mentioned is Stannis putting the leeches in the fire, and how he didnt mention Danaery's name (not that he should have any reason to consider her a threat).
 
Without mentioning anything about the story has anybody tried reading the books after watching the show? I just want to know how easy the transition will be if I buy the 4th book after season 3 is done.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Well, i'm right in saying that Balon Greyjoy is Theons dad right? So considering all of Theons brothers are dead, that would make Theon 'Cockless' Greyjoy in line for the Iron Island Throne.

So considering what the leech scene is telling us, Balon is going to die next (although we don't know the time period between each death) but considering that Rob died so quickly after the Leech scene, it must mean that Balon is going to die next episode.

But considering Theon is held captive, they may assume Theon is dead. So that would mean Theons sister would take over instead. Christ, :lol:
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Yes Balon is Theon's dad. Yes he has a sister. Yes, all Theon's brothers are dead.
 
Castia said:
Without mentioning anything about the story has anybody tried reading the books after watching the show? I just want to know how easy the transition will be if I buy the 4th book after season 3 is done.
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You have to start from book 1. Don't mention the books in here.
 
I'm with Drainy. Apart from Ned I never warmed up to any of the starks. They are a bunch of morons and I'm quite happy that they're gone now. I thought Robb might have some say in taking Ned's revenge but he's not good enough, and their roles had stagnated a lot.

It's gonna be Snow's show in the end surely now. I haven't a clue about what the dragon queen is planning, though. But I'd put my money on Snow having the last laugh, he looks the business.
 
RedSky At Night said:
He looked pretty manly taking down dem wildlings yo. Good kill blow on that eagle fella.
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No he didn't, he spent the entire time whining like a bitch, who by the way, was only in that predicament because he doesn't have the fecking balls to follow through with anything. His friends and comrades died because of this.

Art said:
You look like Jon Snow, silva.
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So I've been told. Not that I'm complaining, he's pretty fit.
 
Silva said:
No he didn't, he spent the entire time whining like a bitch, who by the way, was only in that predicament because he doesn't have the fecking balls to follow through with anything. His friends and comrades died because of this.
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I love that aspect of his, I am looking forward to him getting rid of that and becoming ruthless, which will be a great turn for his character and the show. He has it in him more than anyone to take revenge for Ned, certainly more than any Stark child.
 
Silva said:
No he didn't, he spent the entire time whining like a bitch, who by the way, was only in that predicament because he doesn't have the fecking balls to follow through with anything. His friends and comrades died because of this.
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I disagree, he's learnt a lot from his father. He's a noble lad who doesn't kill innocents and that includes women. The only man that was killed by a direct result of Jon Snow was the Night Watchmens fella that was taken captive along with Jon and that was done so that Jon could survive. Which he has, and can now warn the Night Watchmen of the attack.

If you want to finger the blame at any man for the Watchmens demise its the lord commander whats his face that knew precisely what was going on in the North but still decided to march in there for no real purpose. The mission to find Benjamin Stark wasn't it? So he risked 300 odd men to find 1? Poor leadership and he was rightfully killed imo.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
I love that aspect of his, I am looking forward to him getting rid of that and becoming ruthless, which will be a great turn for his character and the show. He has it in him more than anyone to take revenge for Ned, certainly more than any Stark child.
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They couldn't let her live, it would have risked the mission.

RedSky At Night said:
I disagree, he's learnt a lot from his father. He's a noble lad who doesn't kill innocents and that includes women. The only man that was killed by a direct result of Jon Snow was the Night Watchmens fella that was taken captive along with Jon and that was done so that Jon could survive. Which he has, and can now warn the Night Watchmen of the attack.

If you want to finger the blame at any man for the Watchmens demise its the lord commander whats his face that knew precisely what was going on in the North but still decided to march in there for no real purpose. The mission to find Benjamin Stark wasn't it? So he risked 300 odd men to find 1? Poor leadership and he was rightfully killed imo.
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The leadership failure came when he left Snow behind to kill her, I mean come on, rule one of TV land is that if you leave someone behind to do something, it won't happen!

But yeah, I agree with you, the leadership in that mission was utterly awful. That doesn't make Jon Snow any less of pussy though. If he didn't want to kill the girl for moral reasons, just say so, don't pretend that you'll do it when no ones looking.
 
RedSky At Night said:
I disagree, he's learnt a lot from his father. He's a noble lad who doesn't kill innocents and that includes women. The only man that was killed by a direct result of Jon Snow was the Night Watchmens fella that was taken captive along with Jon and that was done so that Jon could survive. Which he has, and can now warn the Night Watchmen of the attack.

If you want to finger the blame at any man for the Watchmens demise its the lord commander whats his face that knew precisely what was going on in the North but still decided to march in there for no real purpose. The mission to find Benjamin Stark wasn't it? So he risked 300 odd men to find 1? Poor leadership and he was rightfully killed imo.
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He went into the North to find out what was happening actually. Wights, wildlings massing into a single force and a missing Stark.
 
roseguy64 said:
He went into the North to find out what was happening actually. Wights, wildlings massing into a single force and a missing Stark.
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Which was rubbish as Stark is only one man. He already knew about the Wights it seems and its not worth risking those men just to scout out a potential enemy force. A mission which was doomed for failure before it even begun.
 
Silva said:
They couldn't let her live, it would have risked the mission.


The leadership failure came when he left Snow behind to kill her, I mean come on, rule one of TV land is that if you leave someone behind to do something, it won't happen!

But yeah, I agree with you, the leadership in that mission was utterly awful. That doesn't make Jon Snow any less of pussy though. If he didn't want to kill the girl for moral reasons, just say so, don't pretend that you'll do it when no ones looking.
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Jon should never been allowed to go on that scouting mission anyway Silva. If the mission was that important, you take your experienced heads not a rash youngster.

It's actually turned out for the best anyway, Jon knows their plan and can warn them in advance. He also has a vague idea of enemy numbers etc. So he actually did a pretty damn good job. He achieved the ultimate aim of the mission and then some.
 
He didn't really 'achieve' it though did he? Ginge fancied her, he gave ginge head a few times and she stood up for him. He's ridiculously lucky to be alive, as far as the characters in this show go.
 
My brother and I just sat there staring at the tv throughout the credits. It really was shocking. One of the best episodes of the entire show for me though. Left me speechless.

Castia said:
Without mentioning anything about the story has anybody tried reading the books after watching the show? I just want to know how easy the transition will be if I buy the 4th book after season 3 is done.
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I heard there are a few different things from the show and book (I only read the first book so far), and I'm pretty sure season 3 and 4 of the tv show are focused on the third book, or at least most of these 2 seasons are. If you want to read the books then you're probably going to want to start with the first one.
 
First off, wow.

Tobias Menzies is great as Edmure Tully, he was fantastically funny this week. Hopefully he will be seen again. I wonder if Walder will go for taking over the north and use Edmure's wedding to his daughter as leverage.

Ser Jorah needs to kill Andy Carroll already, the guy is a horrible actor, every scene he's in is like bad porn.

Samwise Gamgee proving that if you travel far enough you'll find a woman stupid enough to fall for a useless tubby moron. Hope for us al.

Am I the only one that thinks Meera is quite cute?

John Snow doesn't seem to know what the hell he's doing at any time but somehow survives. He'll probably luck into being king after it's revealed his mother is Tywin now though.

Did the wildlings really think they could invade with an army of about 5 people and Gareth from the Office?

It's pretty much the same with any scene she's in but Arya's stuff with the Hound has been good, could develop into something very interesting.

Hodor.

I'm enjoing Brann's arc, looking forward to seeing where his power leads him. Will he one day be able to control a whole army, maybe the white walkers.

Roose Bolton has just escalated to role of super villain.

Edmure's wife was stonking, even Robb looked jealous.

The wedding party. Well I didn't see that coming, I'd been told of a death by a friend which was annoying but I didn't expect all that to unfold. Oona Chaplain being killed was the worst bit, although that may have been because I'll miss her bum.

It sucks to be called Eddard Stark in this show apparently.

That song, when it started you knew the shit was about to hit the fan but it was just a brilliantly played out scene.

Until they realise Bronn and Rickon are alive is Tyrion now the king of the north?

I wish this was the finale, I don't think I'll be emotionally ready for another episode next week.
 
Silva said:
No he didn't, he spent the entire time whining like a bitch, who by the way, was only in that predicament because he doesn't have the fecking balls to follow through with anything. His friends and comrades died because of this.
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:lol:

I suggest to watch the last scenes of Jon Snow in Episode 10 of last season, to understand why Snow changed the side and killed Qhorin Halfhand in that 'fight'.
 
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