Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

kotha said:
Can someone tell me what the idea behind Sam stealing the sword is? He isn't going anywhere near the white walkers is he.
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Wasn't it obvious? That was his birthright, so he was taking name and pride back for good along with his lover girl. It doesn't mean he'll be the one wielding it in the end...

As for Margery,
i think she's playing the long game, trying to give Cercie a noose with which to hang herself. And strengthening the Tyrell's position in the end. Trouble is, she's not coordinating with her mother who is quite the schemer.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Wasn't it obvious? That was his birthright, so he was taking name and pride back for good along with his lover girl. It doesn't mean he'll be the one wielding it in the end...

As for Margery,
i think she's playing the long game, trying to give Cercie a noose with which to hang herself. And strengthening the Tyrell's position in the end. Trouble is, she's not coordinating with her mother who is quite the schemer.
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I think its her Grandmother. ;)
 
JustAFan said:
So who says those wanting power are really out to help anyone other than themselves. In her case all she knows is the stories of how "evil" people destroyed her family and took what is rightfully hers (the iron throne). It probably does not even occur to her that others might have a different view that is based on anything other than they are evil and she and her family are not.
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The view that her family is good and others are evil makes her sound like Tywin. I'm not saying that makes her evil btw, it just stops her from being good imo. She's starting to resemble the likes of Tywin more than Jon or Arya, (the 'heroes' of the show). Jon isn't fighting Ramsay for personal glory or entitlement and Arya doesn't (/didn't) want to learn to kill for kicks.
 
antihenry said:
I guess I'm in a minority here, but I'm often wondering if the GOT would be better off without some of the "magic" stuff. It could have been a 'great medieval kingdoms rivalry' type of a show with incredible storylines just as it is now, with kings, queens, nobles and lowborns, intrigues and battles, bravery and betrayals, etc. etc. The warg stuff, The Faceless Men and the Lord of Light followers are at least interesting and intriguing and therefore are watchable, but dragons or white walkers I could certainly live without. It just seems like something out of a fairy tale for little kids and really doesn't excite me at all.
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I think so too. It is what it is though, that stuff has been in from the start so it's not like it's come out of nowhere.

The more it's involved though, the less I enjoy it. I thought the earlier seasons with less of it were much, much better.
 
Great speech Daneyres.... Pointless when you still need 1000 ships but great speech. Dragon CGI was superb.

fecking fat sam taking half the episode with his bullshit story. Seemed all they wanted to show was him getting the Valerian sword, which IIRC kills White Walkers. He can die.

I really hope they don't kill Arya. I really hope they kill the High Sparrow.

What is Margaery playing at? Surely she hasn't gone all nice & this will be a big act. Tommen's a dick. He can also die.

Wanted to see more of Bran. Surprised the uncle lived this long.
 
Agree with whoever's mentioned missing Joffrey. Imagine the High Sparrow trying to talk faith into him, or make Cersei go through the walk of shame if he were still king.
In an alternate universe, Ramsay invades King's Landing, and takes Septa Unella as prisoner. :devil:

Thank god they decided to relieve Jaime of his duties in KL. Was getting too monotonous, his story arc. They better make Sam important in the end-game, having spent so many minutes on him.
Also, what exactly is Benjen now? Is he still human?
 
Im quite surprised at how many people on here just called that a shit filler episode. I was intrigued by the episode, because it was a true nature of the show, a true game being played in different areas of the 7 kingdoms.

The Sparrow playing the game the best by getting the king on his side, but then is Margery playing the game? It seems like it which makes me interested to see where it goes.

Sam is getting a lot of hate, but I thought his story last night was interesting too. Hes got the sword, his family is rich AF.

And yeah, the set up for what looks like a battle with Jamie, Walder, Brienne, etc.

With regards to Arya
I could see her killing that Waif girl, finding out Jaqen allowed it, so Arya takes the face of the Waif to end up getting close to Jaqen to kill him. Thus shes got the tricks and skills needed from the training, but still herself.
 
Jagga7 said:
The episode isn't as bad as some are making out. Bran's short flashback scene was great, finally seeing the Mad King screaming 'burn them all' gave me chills.

Ayra's story is finally being pushed forward. I've always disliked the faith militant but with them recruiting the King, it's now interesting to see what Queen Margery is planning.

I also don't mind the Sam and Gilly's scene. Their relationship seems to be the only one in GOT which doesn't involve one person trying to manipulate the other, Sams father also delivered a great scene.

The danny scene was crap, we've seen her do this a million times by now, we need some action.

Overall decent episode.
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She may have done it a million times, but this appears to be the first time she has Drogon under her control.
 
Ramshock said:
Im going to predict that Jamie Lannister will take what remains of his Lannister forces, after battling the Blackfish and after some convincing from Brienne and hooks up with Jon Snows remnants after the battle of the bastards for the war for the dawn.
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I think this will happen too.
 
After 3 seasons, guess who's back!
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Decent episode as long as you're okay with those ones where the table gets reset to set things up for the future. If you have a problem with the show being structured in that way then I can see why you wouldn't like it though.
 
Show continues its painfully slow descent into mediocrity.

Don't understand the fuss about spoilers - would happily read them if it means I can skip a couple of episodes.
 
There are always episodes like this midway through the season and they are pretty necessary in order to set the scene for the inevitable carnage that is to come. I actually enjoyed it; the dinner scene was nice and tense - Sam's dad was ruthless, and I'm glad Arya is now finished with that many faced shite which has been one of the most boring story lines so far IMO. The Mad King flashbacks were a nice touch too and the faith militant story line has developed nicely. Overall, as a scene setting episode, I think it was pretty good.
 
Not a very good episode imo, should be getting more exciting as the season is heading towards the end.
 
R.N7 said:
Who's this orca fella now again?

I recognized Brutus but I can't really remember his character, a proper actor that.
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Took me a second to cop on to that, good un'.

The "Blackfish" Brynden Tully, uncle to Catelyn Stark (nee Tully) and great uncle to Sansa Stark.

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He nipped out for a piss at The Red Wedding, leading to his escape in season 3. He's now back, and has re-took Riverrun, the Tully home, from the Freys'.
 
Yeah I didn't think it was a good episode at all - a massive come down from the last two weeks anyway.

Anyone else get really confused when the Walder Frey scene came on as to a) what was going on and b) what they were talking about? ... really threw me off. Also, you really would have thought Sam might have taken a couple of hours in the long journey to his home to brief Gilly on everything re: his family... as opposed to telling her stuff literally when they were right outside. Didn't even teach her how to eat with a knife and fork!

I actually liked the development with the relgious nuts (even though I hate the religious nuts)... but the Arya storyline is incredibly frustrating.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
So who is the head of the Stark family now? Benjen? Sansa? John? Bran?
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Benjen is technically dead / a white walker, but the dragonglass they placed in his heart stopped the Walker's magic from consuming him. Due to no one below the wall really knowing Bran's whereabouts / thinking Theon killed him, Rickon is the head of the Stark family, but Bran is the rightful heir to the title.
 
gaz1185 said:
Benjen is technically dead / a white walker, but the dragonglass they placed in his heart stopped the Walker's magic from consuming him. Due to no one below the wall really knowing Bran's whereabouts / thinking Theon killed him, Rickon is the head of the Stark family, but Bran is the rightful heir to the title.
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So it skips out the females?

Would Benjen have any claim (regardless of being a bit of a zombie)?
 
GloryHunter07 said:
So it skips out the females?

Would Benjen have any claim (regardless of being a bit of a zombie)?
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Apparently the customs in Westeros are that way:
Male-preference primogeniture is customary, but not binding, for most nobles. A man's eldest son is his heir, followed by his second son, then his third son, and so on. In theory, the youngest son is followed in the line of succession by the eldest daughter, after whom come her sisters in birth order.
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GRRM said it was modelled on medieval history.

In the program, with the majority of the people thinking Bran & Rickon were both killed by Theon, Sansa was naturally the next Lord Stark, hence why Roose Bolton said she was so important. But now Ramsey knows Rickon is alive, it will be him who is classed as the next Lord Stark - unless Bran returns.

I would say Benjen probably has no claim, I don't even think he could pass through the wall due to the magic cast over it - like the rest of the white walkers. He was also a Ranger in the Nights Watch, so I think this forfeited his chance at being an heir.
 
gaz1185 said:
Apparently the customs in Westeros are that way:GRRM said it was modelled on medieval history.

In the program, with the majority of the people thinking Bran & Rickon were both killed by Theon, Sansa was naturally the next Lord Stark, hence why Roose Bolton said she was so important. But now Ramsey knows Rickon is alive, it will be him who is classed as the next Lord Stark - unless Bran returns.
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Technically thats incorrect when it gets to the girls, the system in medieval England (although it was obviously losely followed and depended on what people wanted to do) was more complicated, but basically as soon as soon as you get to the girls they don't inherit directly, instead the lands get split between them and usually they get married off.

So the boys would inherit directly (although in the real world both Bran and Rickon would be too young so would be wards of a guardian until they came of age) and assuming that GRRM has followed the rules properly (which I doubt he has) the only reason Sansa is especially important is because Arya is assumed to be dead too.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Technically thats incorrect when it gets to the girls, the system in medieval England (although it was obviously losely followed and depended on what people wanted to do) was more complicated, but basically as soon as soon as you get to the girls they don't inherit directly, instead the lands get split between them and usually they get married off.

So the boys would inherit directly (although in the real world both Bran and Rickon would be too young so would be wards of a guardian until they came of age) and assuming that GRRM has followed the rules properly (which I doubt he has) the only reason Sansa is especially important is because Arya is assumed to be dead too.
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Yeah, it's loosely based on traditional customs I'd say. The system for daughters in Westeros is different as you mentioned, and I think there's different systems / variations of the inheritance line in each of the kingdoms / houses.
 
Tyrion said:
The view that her family is good and others are evil makes her sound like Tywin. I'm not saying that makes her evil btw, it just stops her from being good imo. She's starting to resemble the likes of Tywin more than Jon or Arya, (the 'heroes' of the show). Jon isn't fighting Ramsay for personal glory or entitlement and Arya doesn't (/didn't) want to learn to kill for kicks.
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Armagh wanted to learn how to kill to murder people who have personally aggrieved her. Not really a good person either.
 
antihenry said:
I guess I'm in a minority here, but I'm often wondering if the GOT would be better off without some of the "magic" stuff. It could have been a 'great medieval kingdoms rivalry' type of a show with incredible storylines just as it is now, with kings, queens, nobles and lowborns, intrigues and battles, bravery and betrayals, etc. etc. The warg stuff, The Faceless Men and the Lord of Light followers are at least interesting and intriguing and therefore are watchable, but dragons or white walkers I could certainly live without. It just seems like something out of a fairy tale for little kids and really doesn't excite me at all.
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I agree that it would have been a really good series without any of the magic & dragons. I was initially quite surprised in season 1 when they went down that road with Dany.

That said, i am really liking the White Walkers part of the storyline.
 
Gol123 said:
The idea is that the same magic that stops the White Walkers and their undead minions from passing the wall would also stop Benjen as he is made the same way they are.
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So theres every possibility that Bran passes the wall, which allows the walkers to get to him (ala the cave) - if thats the case Im waiting for the scene where the walkers approach the wall and with a touch bring it crashing down.
 
antihenry said:
I guess I'm in a minority here, but I'm often wondering if the GOT would be better off without some of the "magic" stuff. It could have been a 'great medieval kingdoms rivalry' type of a show with incredible storylines just as it is now, with kings, queens, nobles and lowborns, intrigues and battles, bravery and betrayals, etc. etc. The warg stuff, The Faceless Men and the Lord of Light followers are at least interesting and intriguing and therefore are watchable, but dragons or white walkers I could certainly live without. It just seems like something out of a fairy tale for little kids and really doesn't excite me at all.
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I love it all. And you can always watch Vikings which isn't that far away from GOTs without the magic stuff.
 
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