Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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10 episodes would actually be enough if they cut out all the filler that usually occupies the first 5-6 episodes of each season. I think the problem is trying to balance the cast. There's lots of characters with not much to do that they have to give screen time to.
Well they had Brienne take a few seconds just to show shes there as a reminder which I found funny. But yeah, some of the stuff from the earlier eps could have been cut and wouldnt have affected the story at all (whilst others could have used more)
Thats what im thinking. People saying "hes not that sort of guy" and all the honor, ill be surprised if it was his. Still probably Neds family which goes along with the theory posted previously in this thread.
Thats what im thinking. People saying "hes not that sort of guy" and all the honor, ill be surprised if it was his. Still probably Neds family which goes along with the theory posted previously in this thread.
The thing with this eventuality is that it sets a dangerous precedent on the show that people can just be resurrected. We have seen that Melisandre's magic tends to require sacrifices and blood magic, so my theory is that if she does revive Jon Snow (which I think she will) then she will have to give her own life to do so (maybe only after managing to tell Jon Snow something important).
Someone got revived, but the person who did the resurrection died as a result.
Therefore in the books there is already a precedent for this to happen - whereas in the show there is not.
Therefore in the books there is already a precedent for this to happen - whereas in the show there is not.
To my knowledge there have only been 2 resurrections:
1. Was that eyepatch guy by Paul Kaye's character.
2. Was the Mountain by that dodgy Maester.
This is not including the white walkers/wights etc.
In both instances, the person resurrected wasn't 100% dead, like Jon was.
1. Was that eyepatch guy by Paul Kaye's character.
2. Was the Mountain by that dodgy Maester.
This is not including the white walkers/wights etc.
In both instances, the person resurrected wasn't 100% dead, like Jon was.
Beric Dondarrion has been brought back 6 times though, and Thoros of Myr says that one of his deaths was The Mountain driving a lance through his heart. That's gotta be 100% dead!
Only one stab wound though. Jon has like ten. Besides, Beruc Dondarrion was always dealt with straight away. Unless the first scene of season six is Melisandre legging it to Jon, I can't see that happening.
Who says there are any rules with bringing back to life? You're just making assumptions. We have no idea the situation of all 6 of his deaths.
Actually Beric and Melisandre had a conversation about being dead IIRC, so yeah Beric did die those times.
Besides, it doesn't stop Jon coming back anyway.
Besides, it doesn't stop Jon coming back anyway.
Too much coincidence Melisandre arriving at Castle Black right before Jon's death. Wouldn't make much sense if Jon was permanently dead, stoy-line in the north would become much less interesting AND let's not forget: His watch is over now...
(I haven't read any books by the way, just my own thoughts on the matter)
(I haven't read any books by the way, just my own thoughts on the matter)
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I don't think the Mountain was ever dead technically. He was kept (barely) alive by the Qyburn and pumped full of dodgy chemicals.
Beric died lots of times.
...and this. Who do we follow at the Wall for a story if Jon is dead? Neither Meilisandre or Davos are central characters.
Beric died lots of times.
...and this. Who do we follow at the Wall for a story if Jon is dead? Neither Meilisandre or Davos are central characters.
Series 4 came out on DVD over here today.
I've been reading the casting rumours for certain speculated characters I'm getting excited off the book readers excitement. The characters speculated to make an appearance are;
Euron Greyjoy, Theon's uncle and all round bad ass pirate. And Randyll Tarley, Samwell's abusive father but supposedly bad ass warrior(?). Funnily enough Graham McTavish responded to a tweet regarding him playing the latter.
Olly.
This thread has turned into a mess of TV hipsters and spoilers. I think I'll try to avoid it for the next 10 months.
I'm not sure I'd call that a resurrection just yet. He looked a bit grey around the eyes and not really alive, could easily be a zombie and if we count those, then we had thousands of resurrections north of the wall
.Thoros said something like "I kneeled bysides his cold body and spoke the old words, not because I believed in them but because my friend was dead". We don't know how long he was lying there, he definitely was dead. Nothing suggests he was always dealt with straight away.
In fairness, Dennis Pennis seemed in a mad rush to start saying his prayers after the Hound finished off Beric.
Not sure, if this was discussed before, but one of the biggest reasons for me, why Jon Snow won't stay dead is what happened when showrunners David Benioff and D.B Weiss met with George R.R. Martin for the first time and the question they were asked by the latter. This was before the show had begun production and they still had to convince Martin that HBO was the right place for his material. Apparently Martin asked a bunch of test question and the one that seemed to be the crucial question was who Jon Snow's mother is. In one of the interviews Benioff states that they guessed the right answer and that was one of the reason they convinced Martin. Obviously Benioff said he couldn't give away his answer, because it would be a "big spoiler". But if Jon Snow is really dead, why would it be a spoiler? So he never found out who his mother was, tragic for him, but not really relevant for the future of the show or the books, unless she's still alive and we've yet to meet here, which seems very unlikely.
On the other hand Harington and the showrunners have been adamant that he's really gone and Harington is looking for new projects.
On the other hand Harington and the showrunners have been adamant that he's really gone and Harington is looking for new projects.
Tbf he's hardly likely to say "Yeah I'll be back next season".
That's to be expected considering how obvious it currently seems that he'll be back... I mean, you'd hardly expect show runners to say he's still alive... it would knock all of the weight out of the season finale.
My only worry is that - despite the fact that it makes zero sense, and it would make the show really shit - they'll leave him dead just to go against whats expected/shock value.
Yes, have we just given up on keeping book readers out of here?
Right, so its the number of stab wounds that determine the likelihood of someone being brought back. Glad we have you here to pronounce these facts.
Agreed. It should have been resolved for good and not a cliffhanger. Make it a great final scene in episode 9, show the aftermath in episode 10, whatever it is and finish the season either with Stannis dying (if he's really dead) or Cersei's walk of shame. It's shit if he's really dead and it's kinda pointless, if he gets revived or resurrected. The show never needed a cliffhanger like that at the end of a season to keep the interest from the viewers.
To be fair, they stabbed him multiple times and had him lying in a pool of his own blood. If people still don't believe he's dead, timing it differently wouldn't have really mattered. People would speculate on him returning next season no matter what they did.
Don't think that's true depending on what would have happened with the body in the next episode. I'd be very surprised if we don't know about his future in the 1st episode of season 6.
I hope so because it's already going to be tedious to wait for an entire year (a little less tbh) for the confirmation. If it takes longer ....
That definitely should've replaced the Shireen burning as the standard episode 9 gut wrencher. They could've moved the battle at hardhome to 7 and then paced out all the various story strands better over the final 3 rather than cramming episode 10.
If the actor is working on Game of Thrones from Autumn to Spring (pictures appear in UK magazines etc) then we will know that he is alive and well...........probably.
edit: in fact I saw an interview with KH and he said that he is under contract to keep his hair long for the show, that he wants to cut it off, so we will know by his hair!
He has already cut it.
Maybe he really is dead then 
This is a new low for this thread.
They should've given Jamie's actor a hair contract too. He's been a bit shit ever since he cut his hair.
Which is yet another reason why he won't be dead. It's what I said at the time of the episode, just way too much points to him having to be alive frankly.
It "may" interest you to read my post immediately above the one of yours that I am quoting.
(below rant isn't aimed at you UzzFor what it's worth this thread has also turned into chaos with spoilers etc. Think the thread itself either needs locking altogether or some posters need banning.
Casting information of ANY KIND IS feckING BANNED.
First episode of next season will need the night watch chopping up Jon's body and eating his corpse just to confirm to everyone that he is indeed dead.