Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Flamingo Purple said:
This, plus he was killing an adult man and doing it instantly with a blade, instead of burning to death a little girl. Also he had supposedly had contact directly from God rather than just some weird woman whispering it in his ear.
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Yeah but they lived for ages back then so it's like reverse dog years, Issac was essentially a foetus.
 
harms said:
It shouldn't. It says more about the God figure itself than about Abraham/Stannis. They were willing to sacrifice their own for the divine will. The specifics of the killing were also due to tradition - Lord of Light demands burning, God demands binding. All those things are just semantics - the fact is - they sacrificed their child for some strange divine request, either they both are lunatics (which is correct), or they both are the heroes that overcome their personal feelings in order to serve the higher power.

In west tradition Abraham is one of the patriarchs, one of the main positive figures in religious history. Because God is all-knowing and his intentions are always right, even if we don't see it - but the Lord of Light is an unknown name for us, so we don't think about the bigger picture. This is hypocritical, imo, we should consider that Lord of Light is a strong figure in Westeros and he shown lots of times that he is capable of creating a miracle.
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I'm not sure Stannis actually did that. He never was contacted by the lord of light and asked to do something. Stannis just believes that he should be king and now that he's desperate and can't see a different way of achieving this goal, he listens to a priestess who tells him that burning his daughter alive will give him some sort of magical help.

Also, again, Abraham in the end didn't have to kill his own son, in the end he didn't worship a god that cruel, he was just tested. You can't ignore that and say it doesn't matter, it's a substantial part of the religion and why people believe in this god.
 
theafonis thread banned and given warning points.

I mean, seriously, is it really not that obvious in the titles or something?
 
Hadn't realised some people put spoilers in here. Might need to keep out until Monday morning! :nervous:
 
Silva said:
At least Stannis took a few years, Abraham was just like "aite god, I'll do him in"
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Nah, Abraham took far longer than that. Besides Stannis only took an episode to decide 'feck yeah...why not!'. And @Eboue, the Abrahamic god does have a sense of humour, just when Abraham was about to sacrifice his young'en...God said stuff along the lines of...'only joking, Abs, here's a ram instead. *Chuckle*'
 
Balu said:
In the end he didn't worship a god that cruel, he was just tested. You can't ignore that and say it doesn't matter, it's a substantial part of the religion and why people believe in this god.
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Absolutely. He may have been an egotistical god and he did cause Abraham a lot of mental suffering, but he wasn't cruel...actually hang on, he was pretty sadistic and perhaps even psychopathic but clearly not as cnutish as Stannis's lord - a lord who is supporting child sacrifice for no apparent reason other than shits and giggles.
 
Has it been explained why they can't just have sex again to produce the black magic thing?
 
Why do people think that the Winterfell storyline won't get resolved until next season? I figure the season finale will end with an all-out battle for Winterfell between Stannis and the Boltons. I can't recall GoT having much in the way of season-ending cliffhangers.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Why do people think that the Winterfell storyline won't get resolved until next season? I figure the season finale will end with an all-out battle for Winterfell between Stannis and the Boltons. I can't recall GoT having much in the way of season-ending cliffhangers.
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Yup unless something huge happens in Kings Landing.
 
No dicks and they can't fight for shit. What is the use in the unsullied whatsoever.
 
Watching episode 9...had to pause at the burning the daughter bit! :nervous: I was sure he wouldn't actually go through with it but...shes burning away right now so I paused again :lol:

Stannis....wtf

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Am I the only one who felt more uncomfortable watching the scene in the brothel than the "daughter roasting on an open fire" scene?
 
I have a question.

If Stannis's army cannot move due to severe weather conditions, how did Ramsay and his "20 good men" manage to get to their place, do the damage and then successfully escape back to Winterfell?
 
The 20 good men snuck in by foot through woods and along narrow paths.

Stannis needs to get an entire army to Winterfell, half of whom are on horseback, in terrain which he has no familiarity with. There's no way he'd be able to get that many horses through the snow without breaks in the formation messing everything up.
 
antihenry said:
I have a question.

If Stannis's army cannot move due to severe weather conditions, how did Ramsay and his "20 good men" manage to get to their place, do the damage and then successfully escape back to Winterfell?
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Drones. That's why its called A Game of Drones.
 
antihenry said:
how did Ramsay and his "20 good men" manage to get to their place, do the damage and then successfully escape back to Winterfell?
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Because a Deus ex machina-powered group of 20 good men led by the Savant-ish multitalented honoris causa immensus Ramsay Snow are not subject to the normal rules of realism which some people seem to like about GoT.
 
pierrethesnack said:
Because a Deus ex machina-powered group of 20 good men led by the Savant-ish multitalented honoris causa immensus Ramsay Snow are not subject to the normal rules of realism which some people seem to like about GoT.
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I dont think that classifies as Deus Ex Machina
 
Surely thing like what Ramsey did with his 20 men have happened in real life as well. It's not that out there.
 
well at least the writers knew that the concept of the 20 good men was so fecking daft that they opted not to show the thing. Deus Ex Machina innit.
 
Cina said:
well at least the writers knew that the concept of the 20 good men was so fecking daft that they opted not to show the thing. Deus Ex Machina innit.
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It doesn't really match the classic definition, but it pretty much serves the same purpose. You need a solution to something, so you just write in exactly what you need.
 
Shamwow said:
Surely thing like what Ramsey did with his 20 men have happened in real life as well. It's not that out there.
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Of course, they have. My question was concerning the probability of those 20 men getting in and out while doing so much damage in those weather conditions.

Stannis must be the most incompetent military leader in all Seven Kingdoms, clueless in every aspect of war campaigning, from the actual battles (Blackwater) to raising funds to assemble armies (wouldn't get anybody without Ser Davos) to planning (getting stuck in a frozen desert with the whole army exposed) to protecting his own supplies (20 Bolton Navy Seals, aka Good Men casually walking into his camp, setting fire to whatever they want and leaving without a scratch).
 
pierrethesnack said:
It doesn't really match the classic definition, but it pretty much serves the same purpose. You need a solution to something, so you just write in exactly what you need.
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I don't really buy that they did need a solution. They could have just used disease in the camp to decimate his army. That has happened throughout history.

I think they wanted to portray Ramsey as a legitimate military operator in the Game of Thrones whilst saving the budget for elsewhere. Ramsey is on an arc of proving himself worthy to his father.

My take anyway.
 
antihenry said:
Of course, they have. My question was concerning the probability of those 20 men getting in and out while doing so much damage in those weather conditions.

Stannis must be the most incompetent military leader in all Seven Kingdoms, clueless in every aspect of war campaigning, from the actual battles (Blackwater) to raising funds to assemble armies (wouldn't get anybody without Ser Davos) to planning (getting stuck in a frozen desert with the whole army exposed) to protecting his own supplies (20 Bolton Navy Seals, aka Good Men casually walking into his camp, setting fire to whatever they want and leaving without a scratch).
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I'm rather disappointed too, but let's not exaggerate.

- He most likely would have won at Blackwater had it not been for the wildfire. No one knew that the Alchemist's Guild had been producing wildfire continually since the days of the Mad King, so Stannis not taking that into consideration hardly means he's a lousy military leader

- He can't do everything himself. The whole point of having a hand is that he does most of your dirty work for you - persuading houses to follow him being one of them.

- He was probably caught completely off guard with regards to how fast winter was really coming. They knew it was coming, but considering how everything was fine when they left the wall,it's not that hard to imagine them being confident of reaching Winterfell before things got bad that far south (as in, south in the north:lol:)

But about the Adventures of Ramsay and his Twenty God men, agree.
 
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