maybe he relies to much on hes pace? he just seems to get the ball, head down and sprint! usually into a cul de sac.
Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances
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maybe he relies to much on hes pace? he just seems to get the ball, head down and sprint! usually into a cul de sac.
Regardless of his performance today, he is absolutely crap.
It is a disgrace to watch players like Obertan (Bellion vol 2), with no talent at all, play in the United jersey.. He is fast, but that´s not enough to be a football player at this level. He is not good enough to represent United, and never will. Waste of money..
Giggsy doesn't have anything to worry about in the near future.
the fall before the end of the game hilarious 
he is really out of depth....
he is really out of depth....
He barely looked like he'd figured out how to kick full stop
I think that was the worst duel wing performance I've ever seen for United
Ralphie Milne would be a better option.
This is when Park is really really missed 
He really was poor today.
I really don't think he was shit, I think he just got unlucky with some of his touches and passes, but Bebe on the other hand was out of his depth, he was controlling the ball like me out there.
People say that we should give Bebe time but looking at Obertan, one year into his United career and hardly any signs of improvement in any sense of the word.
That's part of it but he doesn't do anything with any authority, all his passes look nervy as if he already believes he is going to give the ball away.
He's terrible isn't he. It's taken a while but it's pretty bloody obvious now. You can talk about confidence and decision making but essentially he's just a bad footballer.
He's become worse since he's bulked up.
I see so much more in Obertan than I do in Bebe. I think he is potentially an outstadning attacking midfielder, from what i've seen. I'm all for giving him time. Laughably bad performance today though.
I'm sorry, but this guy just hasn't impressed me much recently.
Today was his big chance and he failed to take it IMO. Valencia and Park can't come back quick enough.
Today was his big chance and he failed to take it IMO. Valencia and Park can't come back quick enough.
I think I've figured out his problem.....
He needs to stop playing shite, and start playing well to brilliantly. But as a start it would be nice if he showed even a hint of bollocks. My main worry with him is the club and the level is simply to big for him mentally. I hope I'm wrong.
He needs to stop playing shite, and start playing well to brilliantly. But as a start it would be nice if he showed even a hint of bollocks. My main worry with him is the club and the level is simply to big for him mentally. I hope I'm wrong.
In 2009, we were saying how raw he was.
2011, we're still saying how raw he is.
In 2013, we'll be saying give him a few more years.
2011, we're still saying how raw he is.
In 2013, we'll be saying give him a few more years.
He is slightly worrying. Although he is a bit faster than I thought he was. I dunno though he does not seem like he has progressed since his debut....at all. If anything he seems to be getting worse.
I would like to see him go out on loan before Fergie makes the final call on him though
I would like to see him go out on loan before Fergie makes the final call on him though
Its depressing looking at the earlier pages in this thread, when alot of us were encouraged by his short passing and him not squandering possession that often. If anything hes regressed since then. He does have talent but its looking less and less likely that he's got the mentality to make it here.
Nooooo in 2013 we will be saying remember that fella with the funny head....what happened to him?
I think his problem is that he has absolutely no idea what he is doing on the football pitch.
When we bought him Laurent Blanc said that he was surprised because (and I'm paraphrasing and reading between the lines here) Obertan has some confidence issues that need to be addressed. It was like he was saying that he didn't believe Obertan had the mental strength to cope with the pressure cooker that is life at Manchester United.
That does appear to be the case because I've seen him play in the reserves in front of a relative handful of fans and he does the business. Stick him in front of 70,000 at OT and it's like watching a different player.
His touch lets him down, his decision making goes to pot, he's less mobile around the pitch (for the reserves, he often plays right across the midfield and even upfront despite his starting position being on the wing).
Looking at him today, it was like he either doesn't realise or is simply unable to take advantage of the incredible opportunity that he has been presented with.
I always want to see every player succeed at Manchester United but common sense tells you that they can't all possibly make it or we'd have a squad of around 100 players and I'm afraid Obertan didn't do his chances any favours today.
He is lightning fast and will beat any opponent in a straight race to the ball but having won it, I just lost any confidence in him doing anything with it and I think some of his team-mates felt this way too - not a good sign.
That does appear to be the case because I've seen him play in the reserves in front of a relative handful of fans and he does the business. Stick him in front of 70,000 at OT and it's like watching a different player.
His touch lets him down, his decision making goes to pot, he's less mobile around the pitch (for the reserves, he often plays right across the midfield and even upfront despite his starting position being on the wing).
Looking at him today, it was like he either doesn't realise or is simply unable to take advantage of the incredible opportunity that he has been presented with.
I always want to see every player succeed at Manchester United but common sense tells you that they can't all possibly make it or we'd have a squad of around 100 players and I'm afraid Obertan didn't do his chances any favours today.
He is lightning fast and will beat any opponent in a straight race to the ball but having won it, I just lost any confidence in him doing anything with it and I think some of his team-mates felt this way too - not a good sign.
A while back there were some pretty sorry looking posts on here about Nani too.
Everybody knew Nani had a huge amount of talent. But were pissed because he rarely displayed it,
With Obertan we simply dont know if he does or not. That is why a loan now at this stage is for the best
~I think it is why reserve football is dying a death. It really isnt good preparation for young players.
Reserves is useful for players out of the Academy, but any first team players should look far too good for that level, and he hasn't apart from against the reserves of 1st or 2nd division sides.
Fair point. I remember when Anderson was making his comeback from the wilderness last season and he was dumped into the reserves. On that day, he looked absolutely head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
I had a rather long and loud rant about him heard by quite a few in ST2 when the ball was played long to Hernandez and he just stood around with no game awareness or anticipation that the ball might get to him if he moved anywhere near Hernandez (who said something similar afters).
He's quick and has very quick feet but there is little drive, desire or footballing intelligence/awareness.
He's quick and has very quick feet but there is little drive, desire or footballing intelligence/awareness.
Looked like he had potential when he arrived but hes got no future at the club.
Nani showed glimpses of quality. As did Ronaldo. So are Hernandez, Smalling, Anderson and other young players. Hence one was/is willing to give these guys time because you know there is some talent to work with and develop.
Obertan has yet to show or do anything special. Basic things such as passing to a team mate, first touch and tactical awareness are lacking. He showed slight promise at the start of the season but has gotten even worse than last season.
If Fergie still sees something in training that we don't and is willing to keep him then that's fair I suppose but I have serious doubts that he'll be a first teamer at Man Utd.
Oh for fecks sake. Obertan is shite.
If you're waiting on some Nani style heroics , you're going to be sorely didsappointed.
He wouldn't get into a Championship starting 11. We should buy Eagles back instead of this waster.
Don't understand the comparisons to Nani. Nani actually started off his United career pretty well, like the 30 yarder against Spurs, his first season wasn't that bad he just went off the boil for a while but everyone could see what he was capable of. Obertan hasn't shown anything like what Nani did in his first couple of seasons.
He's over 21 next season so he needs to make the 25 man squad. There'll be plenty of competition.
I think he has talent, but we cant afford to keep taking chances on him in the first team. I would send him out on loan next season to somewhere that will offer him regular games, and see how he handles it.
Meanwhile, if both he and Bebe look like they arent going to be reliable within a couple of years, Giggs retiring soon (or possibly simply declining if age ever catches up with him) we could do with another established winger in the squad I reckon, perhaps not this summer but next.
Meanwhile, if both he and Bebe look like they arent going to be reliable within a couple of years, Giggs retiring soon (or possibly simply declining if age ever catches up with him) we could do with another established winger in the squad I reckon, perhaps not this summer but next.
I hate slating our own players but he was really poor today...reminded me of bambi on ice!
I think he needs to go out on loan to another PL club.
I think he needs to go out on loan to another PL club.
Outside of his apparent confidence issues that have been mentioned, performance wise what troubles me is his over reliance on pace. Its a good tool to have no doubt, but whenever I have seen him (which granted has only been in the first team games, I can't comment on his reserve performances) he just seems to want to kick the ball and sprint after it. Its effective when it works, but in general there arent going to be many teams that play that high a defensive line against that will enable him to use his pace to that effect. On the ball he looks really shaky, his passing and control seem lacking, and once his pace is taken out of the equation by the defence he looks useless.
I think we should loan him to a club where he's guaranteed to play, no matter if that means Championship.
If he fails there, get rid, he's actually gone backwards.
If he fails there, get rid, he's actually gone backwards.
Didn't really see the point in playing him today. If he ants to leave cos he won't make the grade then let him go.
Didn't Blanc hint at as much and maybe more on his arrival?
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