He's more talented than Welbeck or Cleverley and imo has a much better chance of making it here.
Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances
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Can't agree with that at all, Sharky. Both those players have shown their abilities in the Premier League, Obertan has shown signs of what he is capable of but only at reserve level.
I didn't say you were datura. The point I was trying to put across is that yes, we can all form opinions, but sometimes it's a bit pointless, when we have absolutely nothing to lose, we might as well just give a player time.
It's not really about thought mafia or whatever, but common sense, or a lack of it.
It's not really about thought mafia or whatever, but common sense, or a lack of it.
Less chance of making it than Gibson, who despite his bucket loads of abuse, has had more than 2 good games in the first team.
Happy for him to stay, wouldnt lose any sleep if he left.
Happy for him to stay, wouldnt lose any sleep if he left.
If it is true, I have no complaints over Obertan. The way we are 'developing' him is terrible and it has made me frustrated before.
Please expand on this wonderful insight?
I disagree, both of the above have shown they can do it in the PL.
They are a class ahead of Oberhead
It's a forum though, most of what we discuss it pointless but without it this place would be a graveyard!
I agree with the first part, as for the second the jury is well and truly out.
A strange player.
I had very high hopes after his initial few games, and now it looks as though I might be better than him at playing.
I had very high hopes after his initial few games, and now it looks as though I might be better than him at playing.
idiotic comment.
If anyone on this site is in a position to comment on Oberton it probably is Datura as he attends alot of reserve matches. He's nowhere near a knee jerk fan as Im sure others will testify to so his opinion is very valid and one that I happen to agree with.
Obviously Id love to see Obertan make it here but not everyone does. Pointing this out isnt a crime either....
It is, but it gets boring seeing so much negativity about a player (not Obertan, in general), which inevitably turns into praise when a player isn't sold, but encouraged to improve, but that's the reason so many posters are left looking like retards I suppose.
But we are moving away from the issue, my main gripe isn't with those who have doubts in him, but the reaction to that article which was extremely harsh.
Nope. Not sure how can you say that he is more talented than Welbeck or Cleverley as he has so far shown nothing to suggest that he is more talented than the two.
Looked good in the reserves, but hasn't played that well in the first team matches though. I think he'll go out on a loan next season.
Some harsh words about the lad on here. I think he'll improve but he'd probably benefit with some regular playing time with a loan move somewhere where he can develop.
Not Welbeck, not Cleverly, he does have a bigger head than both though
People point out he's played x amount of games but it's fragmented. You need a run of games. At reserve level, they play so infrequently because of the ****ing weather. He can go weeks without a game. It will effect fitness/confidence and he seems to be a confidence type player. This is the competition though. We have a young kid Josh King who in my opinion could be a star for United. It's up to Obertan to be good enough to fend these players off and take his chances but will he get the run he needs to build up his confidence? It's tough
I feel for him, he's talented but he needs a major rod up his arse. He needs to be more aggressive and far more confident in his play because technically he can do it but mentally he needs to be far stronger. We saw against Southampton, he can take men on and beat them. He has to force the issue but again If it's true, I think it's more a cry for 'help' rather then anything serious
I feel for him, he's talented but he needs a major rod up his arse. He needs to be more aggressive and far more confident in his play because technically he can do it but mentally he needs to be far stronger. We saw against Southampton, he can take men on and beat them. He has to force the issue but again If it's true, I think it's more a cry for 'help' rather then anything serious
The problem you might have is he might think it's one foot out the door rather then an opportunity. If you believe all you read, mentally he's fragile
I'm sure Fergie and our coaches are working very hard to find his best position. It may take some time for them to assess that, but this assessment is part of the training we give to all our players.
If he has confidence issues then those too will be assessed and worked on. He won't be the first to have had confidence issues though, offhand I can think of Berba, Nani and Ando in the last year or so and no doubt in the future there will be more. (Rooney may be suffering with that atm for all we know, he certainly gives the impression he may be anyway).
United are one of the best at releasing the hidden player within. It will take time to do this though and some players seem to hit the bottom before they start to climb up to the top. Maybe Obertan is going to be one of these players.
He's shown us glimpses of outstanding talent at times and if it's just a case of us finding a way to instill him with belief and confidence then he has more than a reasonable chance of success here. It's a problem we've got a fair amount of experience at dealing with and a fairly high success rate too. (Just remembered....Cole suffered with it too).
Lots of reasons not to write him or anyone off to quickly.
agree. A Wigan loan next season would not be too bad.
Obertan's main problem all boils down to his undiagnosed spinal injury which he had for so long. No idea on how the medical team in France do their stuff, but for him to be playing for so long with no one bothering to check if he's injured just smacks of incompetence.
It must be crushing to find yourself doing worse off each year after starting out as a highly rated 17 year old and when you have no idea why you're not improving. It's no wonder he has confidence issues, this is a time when the club needs to slowly nurture his confidence and build him back up. He has the talent to be a star, and will need to have faith in the coaching team and us fans need to have patience and quit judging players so soon.
It must be crushing to find yourself doing worse off each year after starting out as a highly rated 17 year old and when you have no idea why you're not improving. It's no wonder he has confidence issues, this is a time when the club needs to slowly nurture his confidence and build him back up. He has the talent to be a star, and will need to have faith in the coaching team and us fans need to have patience and quit judging players so soon.
Idiotic post.
He's more talented based on the fact that he ripped Wolfsburg a new one and totally changed the game vs. Aston Villa, Welbeck and Cleverley are quality players but they aren't capable of this.
And "his opinion" isn't fecking VALID? I know a right bunch of clueless twats who 1 year ago told me Nani was dogturd, and they attend lots of ressies matches and every 1st team game.
Attending games means feck all, it certainly doesn't make you knowledgable about a players talents.
Opinions can change over time though, the whole bringing up old threads and trying to call out people over comments writing a player off etc are rather infantile and pointless.
Not really, it's good to show some clueless posters that they actually know feck all and hence why they don't work as scouts/coaches in football.
I agree, the second part was my personal opinion, which means bugger all of course.
He's played like that since his professional debut.Just because he arrived he wasn't necessarily gonna transform into a formidable player.I had initial doubts regarding and some posters (Top I think) thought I was too harsh on him.
He has time on his side though so it's not wise to completely write him off yet
He has time on his side though so it's not wise to completely write him off yet
He hasn't only done it at reserve level. He's an hugely talented footballer who was keeping Nani out of the squad last season, if I remember rightly SAF spoke about this when the whole thing with Nani looked like going tits up.
Why do some people just remember whatever they like to remember?
Cleverley is doing O K at Wigan, let's not make out he's setting the world alight.
Check out the vid and remind yourself of his form last year.
What a bizarre comment on a bizarre post.
Welbeck has played very well for Sunderland this season in the Premier League. Prior to that he's had several good, productive performances for us in the first team. He was a star of the reserve team. He's just turned 20 and is almost two years younger than Obertan.
How at this stage in their respective careers can you agree that Obertan is more talented than Welbeck? If anything, the fact that Welbeck has nailed down a starting place in a premiership team that had one of the countries leading scorers and a new club record signing vying for his natural position, and been very useful for them at just 20 years old shows that he's not short of talent. Even comparing what they have achieved in their short first team career at United, Welbeck comes out on top.
Cleverly we've seen even less of than either Obertan or Welbeck in top level games, so "jury's out" is probably correct.
He has been their second best player after N'Zogbia, read the comments of Wigan Fans on him.
How well they have performed isn't necessarily reflective of talent, Pippo Inzaghi has achieved more in his career than Zlatan Ibrahimovic but he sure as hell isn't as talented.
Mentality causes a lot of differences in where players of talent levels end up, Obertan is very talented with a questionable mentality, I rate his talent as high as anyone coming through, including Wellbeck and Cleverley.
I've watched plenty of him. He's defo one of their "better" players but the point stands, he's hardly setting the world alight.
Saved me making the same post.
He roomed with a mate of mine when he first came to United. He said he was very shy and quiet but I'm not sure if that was down to him being away from home for the first time and/or a language thing.
Good point about Nani. However, to start off a post calling another idiotic before going on to claim that two of our better young players aren't capable of producing a couple of impressive 20 minute subs appearances at the end of matches against a couple of not particularly good teams is not entirely lacking in idiocy. You are essentially doing the same injustice to Welbeck and Cleverly that you are getting irritated at people for doing to Obertan.
Some of the comments about Welbeck are beyond belief and border on the insane
Obertan definitely hasn't pulled up any trees since coming here, and this season in particular has been a real disappointment. He needs to buck his ideas up... it's all very well saying we should have developed him more but his performances have not warranted it.
Did you catch his performance against Chelsea? I've nothing against against Obertan, but Welbeck has demonstrated at Sunderland that he's nothing short of an enormous talent. He's consistently put in performances that Obertan, to date, hasn't matched.
Shame about the injury, really. Can't wait to see him back.
Why do people rate Obertan so highly?
Sorry decorative. I meant that despite the facts that the 2 of them are talented, I have yet to see that absolute WOW, this lad can be one of the VERY best. That is nothing like what others are doing to Obertan, I rate the 2 lads VERY highly.
I don't normally call posters idiotic, but I also don't turn the other cheek when they call me an idiot.
Obertan has oodles of ability and talent just waiting to be brought out. I have confidence in our management and staff to get it out too. Once they do that there will be no stopping him.
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