I think thats sort of why im not that bothered about him. Unusual for me as I usually defend players to the hilt but in his case Im losing the will. Some substance rather than step overs would be a start...
Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances
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I think thats sort of why im not that bothered about him. Unusual for me as I usually defend players to the hilt but in his case Im losing the will. Some substance rather than step overs would be a start...
He's 21 and very raw and clearly a confidence player. If he's not playing he won't be confident or as fit as he could be. For all we know, this story is bullshit and a transfer request at the last minute is half hearted IF it's even true. feck the media basically.
No one was brilliant against Villa. It was a terrible performance only saved by sheer bloody mindedness and strength of character.
If anyone can deem Obertan as an incredible talent they have a very low threshold for hyperbole.
You don't get his reputation for nothing.
All of the talk on the way out of the ground from there fans was praise for Obertan, he was the main talking point in a very good way.
By ripping them to shreds.
So for someone in his second season he has a record of one great game in ten?
Hardly poor, especially considering he is in a new country.
His reputation was when he first debuted for Bordeaux, which he has failed to live up to, hence why Bordeaux loaned him out to a team in a lower division and sold him for relatively little.
He's been here for 18 months and I've seen pretty much every game at reserve and first team and have seen v little to convince me he's got a long term future here.
2 brief decent cameos against tiring sides isn't exactly impressive.
He's been here for 18 months and I've seen pretty much every game at reserve and first team and have seen v little to convince me he's got a long term future here.
2 brief decent cameos against tiring sides isn't exactly impressive.
People quite quick to jump on his back, wheres the proof he actually did put in a transfer request.. if its proven he did so, then critcise him fair enough. I've seen worse players defended by this site, at least this guys got a fair amount of talent.. if not the mentality to hack it. Wait and see if we can get an official confirmation of sorts.
I must admit, I've still never quite got over this 
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:That day he played like someone with a lot of ability but boots about 5 sizes too big.
We should not let him go unless an "out of this world" offer is made..
YES, Obertan AND Macheda were brilliant against Villa. It was a terrible performance only saved by Obertan and Macheda's introduction.
Whilst I admire his honesty his self belief is rock bottom. If that's how he feels he won't "make it" anywhere.
I must admit, I've still never quite got over this
Sadly lacking the vision to pick out Rooney in the clip just after aswell (00:52).
Best off watching that video with the sound off btw peeps.
Has this transfer request been confirmed by the club or is there any statement from Obertan?
Are you saying he looks like an alien?
Stop bullying him!!! He's very fragile you know.
So that transfer request was bullshit?
A lot of people were quick, even happy to see the back of him without any doubt to the actual source.
A lot of people were quick, even happy to see the back of him without any doubt to the actual source.
Interestingly the article in the DM was written by 'SPORTSMAIL REPORTER'.
It's probably Ian Ladyman but he's worried that Fergie will ban him from Carrington.
It's probably Ian Ladyman but he's worried that Fergie will ban him from Carrington.
Well, I'm going to treat it like it's absolute rubbish, as I'm sure it is.
Obertan's agent on his transfer request
Pisses me off that whoever wrote that story doesn't have the balls to put their name to it.
It's good that we gave him the benefit of the doubt though before saying he's shit and we should get rid as soon as possible.
Nobs some of them, they'll never learn.
Why, because someone dares to have a different opinion then you?!
The opinion on him seems to be pretty divided on the whole.
It may well be but he's only been here five minutes and he's only 21.
Opinions are obviously divided; personally I've very recently began to doubt his future, not because I doubt his talent, but purely because I doubt his mentality. By all accounts it's been a problem since before coming here and if he can't do something about that pretty soon I suspect he may move on.
I know that there were doubts about his mentality before he came here but where are the doubts about his mentality since he came here coming from?
He's been at Utd for 18 months, I think that's enough time for many to have a reasonable opinion on him.
Fergie knew about any issues he had and presumably felt that they were surmountable given time.
The time for us to give up is when Fergie gives up, not before.
The time for us to give up is when Fergie gives up, not before.
He looks a totally different player in the reserves to in the first team. Now I know it's a big difference in stage and a big difference in quality of opposition, but on the pitch for the ressies he looks strong, comfortable on the ball, good with it at his feet etc etc, in contrast to when he plays for the first team when he often looks like a rabbit in the headlights; scared shitless of even being out there.
There was also that whole thing about how he felt 'forgotten about' after being out injured, although there's no telling how true that was.
Opinions can be divided as much as you like, but the reaction to a fake source was pretty poor, which is what we are talking about.
Aside from that I'd say we haven't seen enough to make judgments about him failing or not being able to make it, but then maybe others don't need to see so much of him to form their views, good for them. I discount his previous mentality issues on the basis that we would have explored that when we brought him, and whether he could handle the pressures that come with a club like ours.
It was the way in which people responded that got me, over an article that wasn't written well, had no mention of sources of even a writer, and wasn't mentioned anywhere else in the world. The general reaction was that he hasn't been good enough, isn't good enough and it's time to get rid...Which is fecking ludicrous. One post in particular that said he's been here a year now and done nothing....That's what gets me, the expectations of posters is unbelievable, it really is.
Fergie alluded to it himself in an interview about fans expectations for players inside a year or two years...It's why we end up with egg on our faces so very often...See Evra, Vidic, Nani, Valencia, Berbatov, amongst others....
Then you take his age into account and you have to wonder what planet some people live on.
Aside from that I'd say we haven't seen enough to make judgments about him failing or not being able to make it, but then maybe others don't need to see so much of him to form their views, good for them. I discount his previous mentality issues on the basis that we would have explored that when we brought him, and whether he could handle the pressures that come with a club like ours.
It was the way in which people responded that got me, over an article that wasn't written well, had no mention of sources of even a writer, and wasn't mentioned anywhere else in the world. The general reaction was that he hasn't been good enough, isn't good enough and it's time to get rid...Which is fecking ludicrous. One post in particular that said he's been here a year now and done nothing....That's what gets me, the expectations of posters is unbelievable, it really is.
Fergie alluded to it himself in an interview about fans expectations for players inside a year or two years...It's why we end up with egg on our faces so very often...See Evra, Vidic, Nani, Valencia, Berbatov, amongst others....
Then you take his age into account and you have to wonder what planet some people live on.
That's all very true, and some of the reactions were pathetic in the extreme. I still have my niggling doubts about him though. It's very unusual for me to think like that about a youngster, and I've been staunchly in his corner in the past, I'm just a little worried about his mentality.
Perfectly put Hectic.
I disagree.
I don't think 14 league appearances is sufficient to be writing him off just yet.
common sense reponse from Hectic.
some players take a little longer to come good. Obertan obviously has the ability. How he applies himself and how patient he is to learn from the coaching staff and Fergie is the question.
If he is not cut out for United, Obertan will not have to ask for a transfer, he will be got rid off.
some players take a little longer to come good. Obertan obviously has the ability. How he applies himself and how patient he is to learn from the coaching staff and Fergie is the question.
If he is not cut out for United, Obertan will not have to ask for a transfer, he will be got rid off.
I can understand that. I chose to have faith that as a person, he's at one of the best places for that. Whatever he needs in order to fulfill his ability and potential, I reckon we can give it, not because we are the all important United and I can't see past my red glasses, but because we are known for taking care of our players, from all backgrounds and all mentalities, we've seen them all here, and we've seen a lot of players with far bigger mentality issues then Obertan, or at least their issues have been publicized or witnessed to a bigger degree.
If it's an issue of confidence, it's something we can provide him with, or in time, it's nothing we need to see right this minute, as his age is so young, there really is no rush, at least not in the sense that it should worry us. As long as he has time and patience in the club, I'm certain we will reflect the very same to him. Whether he shows doubts or confidence issues now is nothing, he's still fresh here and from where he moved, the way in which he moved and the problems he has faced, that can be expected. In a couple of seasons if he shown little to no progress, then I'll start to show real fears.
He's made over 20 first team appearances plus probably a similar amount of reserve games. It's certainly enough to have an opinion, whether it turns out to be right or wrong in the future.
You have people who overhype over a few flashes, then those who write off after a few viewings. There is no easy middle ground but everyone is entitled to their opinion, the thought mafia seem to disagree though!
There's no middle ground between those two, but it doesn't mean either of them are right.
Players shouldn't be touted as greats after glimpses, and certainly should not be written off after a few matches, even 20.
Think to yourself datura, do we often invest in players, given them a season and a bit then get rid? We've developed players who have looked as poor as Fletcher, and my god did Fletcher look poor at times, into the player he is today, and that's after years and years of work, many of those in reserves.
Players shouldn't be touted as greats after glimpses, and certainly should not be written off after a few matches, even 20.
Think to yourself datura, do we often invest in players, given them a season and a bit then get rid? We've developed players who have looked as poor as Fletcher, and my god did Fletcher look poor at times, into the player he is today, and that's after years and years of work, many of those in reserves.
Well put, and I hope you're right.
You obviously don't read many of my posts if you think I'm quick to judge players and not give them time to develop. Some players peak early though and don't fulfil their initial promise, some are late developers.
In Obertan's case he was a highly touted youngster (google and you'll find articles linking him to Chelsea at 17 I think) who has struggled to adapt to the senior game.
Whether he will adapt is open to debate (which is what we were having), but it doesn't help when no one seems to know what his best position is, he has some very clear flaws in his technique and he will be competing with the likes of Cleverley and Welbeck next season, in addition to the current players in the first team squad.
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