Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances

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Obertan is really annoying. Everytime he puts in a good performance and one thinks he'll kick on he puts in a shit one again.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His use of the ball can go from sublime to ridiculous in under a second.
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Can't argue with that, but i thought he was more good than bad and tracked back well.

Where the feck was Smalling? He had a habit in pre-season of going into his shell, retreating and retreating and forgetting to make a tackle. Did the same last night. Won loads of headers but barely put a foot in all game. The way he backed off Spector - until he was back inside his own fecking box - for their offside goal was criminal.
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I think that has to do with not having a big voice in his ear talking him through. Talent is there but the confidence and leadership is still lacking.

The biggest difference between us and West Ham last night was when the ball was hit towards Cole it stuck and he was able to bring others into the game. Hernandez' hold-up play was non-existent. Every time the ball went near their box one of their centre-halves ended up strolling away with it.
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The biggest difference between Cole and Hernandez was the pressure, or lack thereof, from the defence. Cole was given space and time whereas Hernandez was constantly pressurised. I thought he did alright to get away a shot just over, a decent header just wide and a lovely cross in that should have been put away.
 
@BenHibbs

Thanks for your questions for Obertan by the way. Unfortunately I won't be telling him he looks like Squidward from Spongebob squarepants
 
I think he is a prime example of a confidence player. When he makes a few mistakes he seems to get very jittery and starts to over think his game which leads to him looking a little foolish but when he has a few good touches he just seems to let his undoubted natural ability take over and he looks a good player.

I just hope that people will take this into account when analysing his game today, he is still young and confidence is everything at that age, I think this goes even further in Obertan's case because of previous problems he has had before he joined the club. This has to be taken into account when judging him as well as the nature of the games he has played lately (usually against opposition(West Brom and Southampton) who gave none of our players space) and the in and out nature in which he has played in the first team.

He has undoubted natural ability, he is a little fragile but I believe he is at the right club to help him improve his confidence. All in all I still think we have a diamond in the rough with this guy and I hope we can all give him the time and patience he needs to flourish (even more so with Obertan than other players I think).
 
Mick1991 said:
He has undoubted natural ability, he is a little fragile but I believe he is at the right club to help him improve his confidence. All in all I still think we have a diamond in the rough with this guy and I hope we can all give him the time and patience he needs to flourish (even more so with Obertan than other players I think).
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That's an understatement. I notice that he's trying to bulk up to remedy the situation. And while that is a good solution if you're physically fragile, I think his problems are mostly mental. He thinks he's fragile therefore he acts it. Almost afraid to get clattered in a bad tackle.

He needs to lose that mentality otherwise he'll end up becoming nothing more than a Quaresma.
 
Sorry beardsley I should have made it clearer I was talking about the mental side of his game as well, but yeah I see where you are coming from but I don't think there is a better club out there to help him.
 
I thought Obertan was brilliant in his involvement for the first goal, but virtually non-existant for the rest of the match. I'm far from convinced that he has a long future at OT, and feel that we may offload him in the summer along with Gibson.
 
Good stuff for the goal, a nice, determined tackle a bit later on, but other than his legs deciding to pretend they were helicopters whenever he got within 6 yards of the box he was awful. Probably wouldn't have won without him today though, even taking his 99% hopeless football into account though, so can't complain too much.
 
It will continue unless he gets a run of games. We saw patches today but in the most part he was not great. He certainly looks to have potential though

I thought last season we should have sent him on loan. Perhaps we should sent him at the start of next season assuming we have the squad to afford that.
 
I think its time for him to make the next step. He's been rather poor today but he needs to put his (mental) issues away. Its incredible how much he's influenced by confidence
 
I don't think he has what it takes on the mental side of the game to be a player for a top club. I'm not sure exactly what makes me feel that way but that is my opinion.

I hope to be proven wrong.
 
We've seen flashes of ability, now it's time for him to start putting in good overall performances and hurting teams more regularly. As it is he's a bit of a luxury.
 
Brophs said:
We've seen flashes of ability, now it's time for him to start putting in good overall performances and hurting teams more regularly. As it is he's a bit of a luxury.
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I'd say liability.
 
Brophs said:
We've seen flashes of ability, now it's time for him to start putting in good overall performances and hurting teams more regularly. As it is he's a bit of a luxury.
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This.

I thought he was coming on nicely after the Bursaspor games. Seems to have regressed since then.
 
Needs a loan and a run of games at a smaller club where he will either sink or swim. At the moment he's getting the odd appearance, not starting too well and completely losing his bottle. He needs a chance to develop his self confidence, strength and skill and if he doesnt its game over im afraid. He's not developing at United as yet.
 
beergod said:
I don't think he has what it takes on the mental side of the game to be a player for a top club. I'm not sure exactly what makes me feel that way but that is my opinion.

I hope to be proven wrong.
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I've got exacty the same feeling about the guy. He just doesn't seem to be enjoying the games he has been given to prove himself.
I'll be amazed if he makes it here.
 
I can definately see him going out on loan next season. Will give him games and experience as well as freeing up a squad place as he'll need to be registered next season.
 
The odd thing for me is that he seems to have gone backwards, from what was a very "rough diamond" situation when he first showed up. Now we seem to get only the cock-ups without the flashes of genius.

Needs to do something to get back on track, maybe a loan is it. But I have to say I am rapidly revising my originally reasonably high hopes for his future with us.
 
He was abysmal. Did well for the goal but apart from that it was a horrible performance. Got bullied really badly. Needs more time.
 
Apart from bulking up, he doesn't actually look like he's improved at all since he's been here. He was shockingly bad today.
 
he reminds me of a very early nani. he is a flair player capable of moments of magic - the problem is that at the moment, those moments are few and far between, and he isnt producing anything consistent other than those occasional flashes.

I like Obertan however, and hope he can establish himself in the first team squad. He needs to "do a nani" and find some consistency. Confidence will come in time and experience, I just hope the lad is given some time to find his feet - I dont think sending him on loan would be the right choice right now, he needs to get a few more games here and there with us before he is ready to be playing every week, even on loan.
 
Seems to me like another one of those players that excels at youth levels, but fails to rise to the pressure of senior football. it's a shame too because he's got ability, just too dumb/scared (?) to use it. Compare it to Wellbeck, who's likely to take his squad place next season.

International appearances:
Obertan: 44
Wellbeck 30

Goals:
Obertan: 6
Wellbeck: 6

So far we can see that despite Wellbeck getting less senior appearances overall he still performed better at the same international level (at least statistically). Obertan was 51 games up before Wellbeck made his senior debut. It seems that he is a big fish in a young pond. Well the fact is he's playing with men now and needs to buck up or fall behind (further than he has already)

This Season:
Welbeck has scored 6, with 1 assist in 22 appearances.
Obertan has scored 1 with 1 assist in 11 appearances

Basically he needs more games like Wellbeck.
 
Walrus said:
he reminds me of a very early nani. he is a flair player capable of moments of magic - the problem is that at the moment, those moments are few and far between, and he isnt producing anything consistent other than those occasional flashes.

I like Obertan however, and hope he can establish himself in the first team squad. He needs to "do a nani" and find some consistency. Confidence will come in time and experience, I just hope the lad is given some time to find his feet - I dont think sending him on loan would be the right choice right now, he needs to get a few more games here and there with us before he is ready to be playing every week, even on loan.
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Nani scored a scorcher , think against Middelsborough, within the 1st five games and we all knew that he would be something else.

As for Obertan.. hes not showed anything remotely close
 
And against Spurs. Nani frustrated at first because he'd do something like that, pull something out of the bag that was stunning, but then struggle to do something simple or over complicate things. You could tell the ability was there.

With Obertan, I'm really not sure the ability is there. In his time here he has assisted two Michael Owen goals - both good bits of play - and scored one goal against shite opposition but that's about it. I really don't see anything special there to be nurtured like I did with Nani. I don't think the comparison stands up to much scrutiny. If we had Valencia fit, I don't think he'd get a look in.
 
Yeah, I'd agree with the last couple of posts in terms of his lack of a goal threat - he really does need to improve that side of things, particularly as he's played quite a few games behind the striker for us.
 
I think Obertan needs to play with a strong XI for a good run of games (i.e. 6-7 games)to build up his confidence. Not with the likes of squad # 15-#22 players. Needs senipr players like Scholes and Giggsy to calm him down, feed him balls to feet with loads of space to attack. If he does not improve in the next 12-18months, he will liekly end up to be David Bellion # 2 of 2010 (a few goals, a few assists, a few appearances here and there, and then he will only be remembered that he has good pace but without a footballing brain, and then will be sold to a decentish French league Club for the same amount of money-2-4 million pounds)
 
Like Nani once upon a time, Obertan needs to work on the cerebral part of his game. I'm confident it will happen.
 
The_Midfielder said:
Nani scored a scorcher , think against Middelsborough, within the 1st five games and we all knew that he would be something else.

As for Obertan.. hes not showed anything remotely close
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Obertan Cameo Vs Wolvesburg wasn't bad.

His latest goal in the CL's was hit pretty well too.

He just needs a bit more time to adjust, injuries have been keeping him out from his best.
 
I am not at all convinced by him. He has been at United a year and really hasnt done much.
 
Fergie's comment that he got it wrong by playing a diamond gives me pause on my thoughts on Obertan in this match.

I spent the first 60 minutes or so going off my nut at Obertan for not giving us width seeing as he was the only one on the field (other than maybe Fabio) capable of doing so. But if he was supposed to be the tip of the diamond then it wasn't really his job to do so, although I'd still say he should've got wider more often than he did.

As soon as Nani and Giggs came on and we changed to 442 and Obertan went out to the right, he looked much better. Still not great, but far better than he did for the rest of the match.
 
MadDogg said:
Fergie's comment that he got it wrong by playing a diamond gives me pause on my thoughts on Obertan in this match.

I spent the first 60 minutes or so going off my nut at Obertan for not giving us width seeing as he was the only one on the field (other than maybe Fabio) capable of doing so. But if he was supposed to be the tip of the diamond then it wasn't really his job to do so, although I'd still say he should've got wider more often than he did.

As soon as Nani and Giggs came on and we changed to 442 and Obertan went out to the right, he looked much better. Still not great, but far better than he did for the rest of the match.
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What I don't understand is the fact that Obertan is being put into these central positions. We all know it's the standard to put inexperienced players on the wing in order to help them adjust to the team/league. Granted it was lower league opposition today, but he is really low on game time so the fact he was placed at the tip of the diamond seems crazy to me, especially as we had an able body in Anderson to play there.

Wouldn't it have been better to just shunt Obertan out to the side of midfield where he had the secondary option of offering width? That being said he isn't really a midfielder so I guess it would have been like pairing Nani with Scholes. All in all this wasn't a good match to start Obertan in.
 
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