Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances

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Snow said:
But by saying you think he'd be a competition your not exactly disagreeing. Is my English wrong or is a first teamer comprehended as someone like Brown, Park, O'Shea rather than Rooney, Vidic, VDS?

To have it clear, in three years time he won't be the first name on the team sheet on the wing (or even another position if he suddenly changes). I'm not saying he'd flop because to flop you'll have to expect something in the first place from him. I didn't expect a thing and still barely do.
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Your English is wrong. What you mean to say is "first name on the team sheet" or "star player".

So to clear up, I think he's going to provide competition to Nani and Valencia for the next few years and provide a different option.

Valencia is lightning quick and very strong and likes to play very direct, keeping wide and getting crosses in.

Nani is quick and tricky with a less direct style and the ability to whip a shot in from any distance, he prefers to cut inside though his crossing is polar. It's either inch perfect or it doesn't get past the first man.

Obertan is similar to Nani in his movement and has good quick feet and can also hit a good shot from range but Obertan tends to attack the byline and look to get a cross in.

For tight pitches with not too much space I'd have Nani on the right and Obertan on the left with the option to switch. While in a more open game against a team willing to attack us, Valencia on the right and Nani on the left would provide a better option especially with Valencia's ability to provide more protection for the full back.

With Giggs retiring soon I think Ferguson will be looking to Obertan to train on.
 
Plechazunga said:
Am I the only one who thinks he's looking a real prospect?

Considering how raw he was just a few months ago, I think he's matured amazingly fast. Consistently good decision-making, plus he seems to have filled out a bit already.

If anything, I'd say he's being a bit too responsible, he could take some risks and play with a bit more freedom.

I like him. Even his head's growing on me (not literally... that would be grotesque).
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I like him.. he's raw, but one of those that does have fundamentally good technique and some decent intelligence on the ball.. just needs time and he can be honed into quite a player. Even if he doesn't make it as a first team regular, he'll always be useful off the bench due his ability to create dangerous situations out of nothing.
 
At times he looks utterly brainless a la Nani early in his time here but he looks good on the ball, albeit he doesn't have the end product just yet, so I'd persevere with him.
 
Pexbo said:
Quoted over to this thread where it is relevant.

Your English is wrong. What you mean to say is "first name on the team sheet" or "star player".

So to clear up, I think he's going to provide competition to Nani and Valencia for the next few years and provide a different option.

Valencia is lightning quick and very strong and likes to play very direct, keeping wide and getting crosses in.

Nani is quick and tricky with a less direct style and the ability to whip a shot in from any distance, he prefers to cut inside though his crossing is polar. It's either inch perfect or it doesn't get past the first man.

Obertan is similar to Nani in his movement and has good quick feet and can also hit a good shot from range but Obertan tends to attack the byline and look to get a cross in.

For tight pitches with not too much space I'd have Nani on the right and Obertan on the left with the option to switch. While in a more open game against a team willing to attack us, Valencia on the right and Nani on the left would provide a better option especially with Valencia's ability to provide more protection for the full back.

With Giggs retiring soon I think Ferguson will be looking to Obertan to train on.
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I wasn't meaning a star player though. Carrick or Fletcher are hardly stars. Neither is Valencia.
I probably should have said "in three years time he won't be holding down a first team spot" or just basically use the word starter. I'm however used to use first team because it translated that way quite well from Icelandic in a way that Icelanders understand and it's not like I've used it a lot here for it to be misunderstood and corrected.

Like I said, by no means will he be a flop. A surprise signing that cost 3m will never be a flop. Worst case scenario he'll leave under Bosman rule or we'll cash in a profit.

My point basically is, Nani is kind of a star now. For Manchester United and Portugal. Obertan won't reach that height here. A handy player perhaps but I not much further than a squad rotation sort of player. He simply lacks to many handy attributes like his crossing ability, first touch and his head. Too many things to work on IMO.
 
Brophs said:
At times he looks utterly brainless a la Nani early in his time here but he looks good on the ball, albeit he doesn't have the end product just yet, so I'd persevere with him.
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Although he's quite a bit more polished than Bebe, Ferguson's feeling that he "has all the physical attributes, tall, strong, quick and a good touch" applies to Obertan aswell. We have the coaching staff to teach him when to cross, when to shoot, when to hold the ball up and when to attack space.

You have to give him time, we bring young players to United to give them an education and in time we'll reap the rewards.

He only signed for us last summer and he has come on in leaps and bounds since then.
 
He is 21y.o lads.

He's got a long way to go but certainly has the raw attributes which can be taught like better decision making (see Ronaldo 2006 version) and the some you just cant teach like height and his speed.
 
Pexbo said:
Although he's quite a bit more polished than Bebe, Ferguson's feeling that he "has all the physical attributes, tall, strong, quick and a good touch" applies to Obertan aswell. We have the coaching staff to teach him when to cross, when to shoot, when to hold the ball up and when to attack space.

You have to give him time, we bring young players to United to give them an education and in time we'll reap the rewards.

He only signed for us last summer and he has come on in leaps and bounds since then.
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I agree with this. Last summer and season when seeing him I only though "why?". He used the summer nicely to buff up which is a step upwards.
 
I might be wrong but i still think that since his debuts in France, he has not made much progress - at least not the huge improvement we'd expect from someone now playing for one of the best club in the world. I've never a been a huge fan and i remain more than ever doubtful about him... Very little end product so far and sometimes messy no matter how good is technique is. I find him both frustrating and irritating at times. He's young but it's as though he's not really learnt from his mistakes and the experience he's getting with years, still the sames problems in his game and attitude. A few more muscles are "easy" to gain, the rest is far more difficult and we see it live...
 
I think he is turning into a solid backup winger for us, which is good.
 
Lmarco said:
I might be wrong but i still think that since his debuts in France, he has not made much progress - at least not the huge improvement we'd expect from someone now playing for one of the best club in the world. I've never a been a huge fan and i remain more than ever doubtful about him... Very little end product so far and sometimes messy no matter how good is technique is. I find him both frustrating and irritating at times. He's young but it's as though he's not really learnt from his mistakes and the experience he's getting with years, still the sames problems in his game and attitude. A few more muscles are "easy" to gain, the rest is far more difficult and we see it live...
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Well, he hasn't really had a chance as yet to prove himself due to injuries and a lack of first team football. We saw Nani's decision-making improve drastically last season, and I think Obertan is a more intelligent player. I think it's only a question of whether he can get a decent run in the first team, because he has all the raw materials to become a very good player for us.
 
This guy is one of the strangest players I've seen in a United shirt. At one moment he plays like a genius, and literally one minute later can't get his first touch right. He is really raw but the talent is definitely there.

Pro's: Quick, skillful, decent passer, good shot.
Con's: Indirect, bad first touch, can't cross.

In between both is his decision making which is okay for someone of his age and inexperience. If he gets it right then he will be a good player for us.
 
admittedly all i saw was match of the day, but from the highlight reel i thought he looked quite lively, made a few nice runs, flicks and tricks. Judging by the responses on here, im guessing he was invisible for the rest of the match?
 
The boy has talent...theres no doubt about that.
 
Walrus said:
admittedly all i saw was match of the day, but from the highlight reel i thought he looked quite lively, made a few nice runs, flicks and tricks. Judging by the responses on here, im guessing he was invisible for the rest of the match?
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no true, he even tracked back really well. Don't understand most of the posts on here.
 
Lmarco said:
I might be wrong but i still think that since his debuts in France, he has not made much progress - at least not the huge improvement we'd expect from someone now playing for one of the best club in the world. I've never a been a huge fan and i remain more than ever doubtful about him... Very little end product so far and sometimes messy no matter how good is technique is. I find him both frustrating and irritating at times. He's young but it's as though he's not really learnt from his mistakes and the experience he's getting with years, still the sames problems in his game and attitude. A few more muscles are "easy" to gain, the rest is far more difficult and we see it live...
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It can take a player a good few years and countless games. We saw how long it took Ronaldo to cotton on. Obertan needs 50/100 games under his belt just to feel that he's breaking in and then you need to pusj on. It will build up his confidence. He clearly needs to work on his final ball. Ability wise he could be as good as anyone. The final ball will take time

We're somewhat in transition and the team in general isn't playing the high tempo that we benefit from at the minute. People definately need to be paitent with him. It will take a few years to see real progress. The difference with us is if we have faith in him, we'll give him the time he needs to be a success.
 
One of the biggest things he has to work on imo is his movement off the ball. He improves that and a whole host of his positive traits will be much more evident and will start to hurt teams more and more often.

Also his touch is erratic which is why the comparisons with nani are a bit off imo, nani has always been textbook with his technique. Can he make it here? He's got everything in his locker to become a very very good player for us, but he needs to become more sure of what to do and when, which should come with games and confidence. How many games who knows, prepare for a lot of frustrating games from him in the meantime.
 
He's a strange one, is Obertan. His touch is generally good, but under pressure he seems to bottle it. It's little things like those that he needs to improve on. Once he does that his end product will improve.
 
Welbeck showed more against Chelsea last week than I have seen in total in several games from Obertan. He (Obertan) could become a mainstay of the team but it is a long way off and so far I am not convinced. To be fair, having Macheda alongside, rather than say Rooney, did him no favours yesterday.
 
I think he's looked really promising this season, bags of things in his locker, strength, speed, good with the ball at his feet. I just think he looks what he is, very young and inexperienced.

Saw the interview recently where he said he was suffering a crisis of confidence last year but that he's enjoying himself much more this year and I think thats showing in his game. It remains to be seen whether he will develop it but I think he has the potential to be a good player.
 
He's a better and more talented footballer than Park, so whether he makes it here is completely up to him. I know he's had injuries, but clearly Fergie is placing more trust in him now and feels he deserves more minutes; so I'd say he's already improving and working hard off the pitch. Looked good yesterday, more to come I hope.
 
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He hardly set Upton Park alight yesterday, but there really does seem to be a newfound maturity to his game. He's slowly getting the balance right between trying to create something and calmly retaining possession, and obviously he's coming along nicely in terms of physique.
 
Xander45 said:
Obertan, Hernandez and Smalling were the only ones to come out that game with any real positives.
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Hmm... Wouldn't agree with that.

I thought Obertan was disappointing, Smalling had his worst game since pre-season and Hernandez got bullied by the West Ham defenders.

The only real positive for me was Anderson continuing to pass the ball well.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hmm... Wouldn't agree with that.

I thought Obertan was disappointing, Smalling had his worst game yet and Hernandez got bullied by the West Ham defenders.

The only real positive for me was Anderson continuing to pass the ball well.
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Obertan needs to learn what a one, two is.

Smalling, well who was his partner?!

Hernandez, feck all service and well marked. One shot all game.
 
Longsden_7 said:
Obertan needs to learn what a one, two is
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His use of the ball can go from sublime to ridiculous in under a second.

Smalling, well who was his partner?!
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Evans. Who was shit. But hey, at least he was getting close to their lone striker. Where the feck was Smalling? He had a habit in pre-season of going into his shell, retreating and retreating and forgetting to make a tackle. Did the same last night. Won loads of headers but barely put a foot in all game. The way he backed off Spector - until he was back inside his own fecking box - for their offside goal was criminal.

Hernandez, feck all service and well marked. One shot all game.
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The biggest difference between us and West Ham last night was when the ball was hit towards Cole it stuck and he was able to bring others into the game. Hernandez' hold-up play was non-existent. Every time the ball went near their box one of their centre-halves ended up strolling away with it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His use of the ball can go from sublime to ridiculous in under a second.



Evans. Who was shit. But hey, at least he was getting close to their lone striker. Where the feck was Smalling? He had a habit in pre-season of going into his shell, retreating and retreating and forgetting to make a tackle. Did the same last night. Won loads of headers but barely put a foot in all game. The way he backed off Spector - until he was back inside his own fecking box - for their offside goal was criminal.



The biggest difference between us and West Ham last night was when the ball was hit towards Cole it stuck and he was able to bring others into the game. Hernandez' hold-up play was non-existent. Every time the ball went near their box one of their centre-halves ended up strolling away with it.
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True, agree with most of that. But it's the little things that sometimes get ignored. At times Hernandez was dropping way too deep, that's not his game.
 
Longsden_7 said:
True, agree with most of that. But it's the little things that sometimes get ignored. At times Hernandez was dropping way too deep, that's not his game.
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Yeah, I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to playing up top on his own. Not yet anyway. He's still too easily out-muscled. I guess Fergie was hoping Giggs would get alongside him and offer some support but unfortunately he wasn't at the races either.
 
Obertan was awful. It's this type of game from him which leaves me frustrated. He had plenty of opportunities to show his quality and underline his progression and didn't show anything but the same old lack of commitment and drive.

Hernandez was not great but who can blame him really in those conditions? He needs service, we all know that.

Smalling did back off too much sometimes (as he often does) but was ok in general I thought. Obertan was by some distance the worst of those three.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His use of the ball can go from sublime to ridiculous in under a second.
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True, but we're seeing a bit less of the latter this season. He's got a long way to go but he's getting there. Didn't see too much of the former yesterday either, with one very notable exception; his touch to set up the shot which eventually hit the post was the very definition of deft.
 
That touch was brilliant, completely took two defenders out of the game and I was shocked at just how measured it was.

It was all going so well at that point too...
 
Brwned said:
That touch was brilliant, completely took two defenders out of the game and I was shocked at just how measured it was.

It was all going so well at that point too...
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Yes, shame the final whistle didn't sound after 10 minutes;)
 
Donkey's Ears said:
Obertan was awful. It's this type of game from him which leaves me frustrated. He had plenty of opportunities to show his quality and underline his progression and didn't show anything but the same old lack of commitment and drive.
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Totally agree, everytime i see the guy play i never think "wow we've got some player here" if anything im left scratching my head at what everyone else sees in him. Im not writing him off as he does seem to have the right attibutes and is young enough to learn from his mistakes but i do doubt his quality.
 
I don't know, but what did he exactly do in the U-19s tourney that got him so hyped up? So far i don't quite see the spark in him that a teenage Nani and Ronaldo used to show in flashes. I know he has this back injury and has lost some football development time, but boy does he need to kick in and work.
 
SATA said:
I don't know, but what did he exactly do in the U-19s tourney that got him so hyped up? So far i don't quite see the spark in him that a teenage Nani and Ronaldo used to show in flashes. I know he has this back injury and has lost some football development time, but boy does he need to kick in and work.
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Answered your own question there
 
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